Scotland threaten World Rugby with legal action over typhoon decision

Yes, of course, the typhoon was going to sit over Japan for the nest 3 weeks!!! About as likely to happen as Italy to beat NZ!

It might be flawed. Why didn't the Scots get a QC to read the agreement before signing it? That's why people hire the blood suckers before they sign a sale of Property Contract. A flawed contract is still a legal contract! There was no provision for rescheduling the group games. The RWC stuck to the letter of the agreement signed by all participating teams.

Yup whingeing Scots . No wonder you lost Scots .. forgot to play rugby! Banzai Japan up

This is speculative because I've never seen any confirmation other than what WR denies but, I understand the ABs were happy to play Italy on Friday but not on Monday and as a consequence, WR said no and proceeded with cancelling this match. Now, you consider if this weekend had been the SFs and Hagibis struck, then there are multiple grounds to hold a cancelled SF but I don't agree with that because, the rules state that the match can be postponed but not relocated - which seems to be your main issue. Accordingly, those teams that have a gripe about cancellations is not because the game could not be played but rather, because the game could not be relocated. And yet, as all and sundry have been trying to explain, it is not a simple matter of moving and relocating 2 teams, officials etc etc but the major factor of having the multitude of supporters, all relocating during or immediately after, Hagibis has struck. But, if you can't see that then I think, you're being rather myopic.

Old Bugger, Eddie indicated that this event was to England’s benefit, there has been chat from the French camp through French media how they believe they only have one big game in them and they are actually happier coming up against Wales (so they are ambivalent if not happy with the cancellation), NZ have from all reports indicated that they didn't want any accommodation which will affected their prep leading into the QF. As such the cancelled games for these teams really has next to no downside and in some cases a lot of upside (rest time for injuries and players, less chance of cards or new injuries etc..). So, yes, the teams have acted in their own self-interest. Would NZ have been happy to play Italy on the agreed day in safe conditions or even the day before as has been reported. Absolutely, but don't think for a second they were willing to take any action that might be to their disadvantage (moving camp, loss of rest days before QF, etc...) - I wouldn't expect them too. I really doubt your count back scenario risk would be causing them a lot of concern. Even if it had been the SF's this weekend with a Super Typhoon there are enough fields to reschedule to with the SF accommodations, so the chance of such an outcome (being knocked out on count back) are rather remote. Are they going to make a fuss about the cancelled game, of course not. The teams who have raised issue with the cancellations are those who these cancelled games would directly impact in being the end of their World Cup tournaments. I think the self-interest would be rather obvious all round. If you can't see it I think you're being rather myopic.

What self interest are you talking about?? If the ABs meet England in the SF and another weather event strikes to rule out any play on game day and either of the reserve days, then a count back ensues and guess what, the ABs will lose the SF without even running out, to play. The rules state that the count back goes to the team that has secured the most pool points - in this instance, England finished with 17pts while the ABs, finished with 16pts. So, don't talk to me about any self-interest scenarios cos don't you think the AB's would've preferred playing Italy and try to win with a BP cos any count-back after the above, varies considerably from the pool points option.

Enough of the "what ifs" GAME IS ON!!!! Now let's back to rugby

It would be stupidity beyond belief to rule out legal action. 1. He would not have the authority to do that. 2. He can’t be certain he knows all the facts and relevant terms and conditions. 3. Ruling out legal action is binding in law. 4. If Crustymtb is a lawyer and thinks ‘reserving legal rights’ is only done as a threat he or she should go back to law school. It is an important step to take whenever there is a dispute and conversations or negotiations are taking place. Neither of you have any idea what you are talking about. :laughing:

I'm more angry about the cards to be honest but yah, worst rwc ever. Hard not to feel sorry for the Japanese as none of this disaster is their own doing imo.

Agree that Ireland are better than Scotland. Did they have an "off day"/ shoddy tactics? Probably. But that is not to take away from a hugely determined Japanese performance. I just want to see what should be a terrific game- the Japanese with their suicidal determination & the Scots who can be brilliant and woeful in equal measure- bit like France. As for World Rugby??? What an immense cock up. Shame on them. Clearly stuff all contingency.

I really think a lot of this blather from the "why can't they just reschedule crowd" is based on myopic ignorance of how powerful, how unexpected and how damaging this storm is? I was living in the UK when a storm with 100kph storm was shutting down cities, cancelling railway services, and (literally) blowing over buildings. If this storm occurred in Europe it would cause historical and unprecedented levels of destruction. The Scots and Italians agreed to the rules. Something unexpected happened, they can't now expect the rule to change to suit them.

You don't need to "reserve a right" it's a right, it only goes if you waive it. The phrase "I reserve my rights" is a threat which I use for my clients all the time.

Your naivety couldn't be more silly if you tried. They weren't "reserving their rights", they were making an incredibly thinly veiled threat.

Interesting that World Rugby claim they analysed “all potential contingencies” before scrapping the Italy v NZ & Eng vFra games. Would be nice to know what they were. WR must be praying the game can be played on Sunday. Moving it to Monday & Italy especially will be mighty peeved. What time AEST is a decision made?edit: 11am

By your logic then the rest of the tournament should be cancelled..

What would have happened if they had brought the games forward a day. Flew the 46 players and their coaches to play a game before the Australia v Georgia game which was not cancelled ?

A drive by is a serious criminal offence. Reserving you legal rights is just that, a right protected by law. Your example couldn’t be any more silly if you tried.

I could always be wrong but I reckon most people recognize that beating the irish is generally harder than beating the scots. Personally I'd prefer all the games were played and I think having the cup in typhoon season without contingency plans is pretty piss poor.

Jaysper, I was not referring to Japan's ability, which has undoubtedly improved in the last decade, and great to see the host nation doing so well. I was referring to the fact that I'm sure the Japanese squad would much prefer to go through having played all 4 games, and prove definitively they are merited- and show Ireland was no one-off. Getting through without playing Scotland would in my opinion be seen by many as a question mark.

What happens if the storm came a day early, or even a few hours. And some family had stayed and couldn't get out earlier and then were killed. Then everyone would be on here saying how terrible Rugby is for choosing playing the game and making money over peoples safety.