Five talking points from the Turkish Grand Prix

By Ben Waterworth / Roar Guru

Wow! That was one entertaining race and weekend in general. There is plenty to talk about as always, so let’s get right into it.

It’s time for people to finally give plaudits to Lance Stroll
Pole position. Controlled the race for the majority of it. Drove an incredibly well-rounded and strong weekend. Is that now enough for people to actually sit up and respect Lance Stroll?

You could imagine my feelings across this weekend, particularly given I didn’t catch qualifying live and had to wake up to the incredible outcome that was the result from Saturday that saw him become the first Canadian to secure a pole position since Jacques Villeneuve at Jerez in 1997.

Once the initial joy and excitement were over, it was time to focus on the race, and I’m sure like many people out there I assumed it would be a Saturday special for Stroll and that on Sunday he wouldn’t be able to match it with the big boys for the win.

How wrong we were.

So strong was Stroll in the opening half of the race that he led by more than five seconds after the first two laps and had a pit stop in hand over the majority of the field. It was incredibly mature driving by the Canadian that proved what I have been banging on about for a long time – that he is a highly skilled and talented driver who people overlook because of his father’s status in the sport.

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Sadly, however, the fairytale win that would’ve had me writing a novel on here about how amazing he is didn’t happen. A bungled strategy by Racing Point cost him any chance of that, and Stroll was stuck on tyres that just didn’t work with the car in the same way his first two sets did. He limped home in ninth place and watched his teammate secure the best position for the team all season.

It was gut-wrenching to see Stroll’s efforts not go rewarded, but hopefully this weekend will finally cause an end to the cliche rhetoric that follows him.

Sadly, I can already see this isn’t the case, with many fans online jumping on a familiar train. Even respected pundit Will Buxton claimed Stroll had “lost his head” in the second half of the race. Given the many mistakes of drivers such as Max Verstappen, Valtteri Bottas and Alex Albon during the race compared to Stroll, it goes to show we sadly still have a very long time to go until Lance finally gets the much-deserved respect he should.

The win will come. We’ve seen glimpses of it this year. And then maybe, just maybe, people will finally remain silent.

A quick note to end this point on Stroll’s compatriot Nicholas Latifi. It was a wretched weekend for the Williams driver, with a DNF only compounding his miserable race – a shame given it’s a race like this in which he and teammate George Russell should be ready to pounce on.

Seventh heaven for Team LH
I have a friendly piece of advice for anybody reading this article today: don’t express your opinion on Lewis Hamilton on Twitter at 4am on the day he claims a record-equalling seventh world championship. That is something you will live to regret.

On that note, let’s get something out of the way first. Lewis drove an absolutely outstanding race to win a race he had no right winning and deservingly won another world championship. His seventh equals the great Michael Schumacher in the process. Nobody could take away his performance on Sunday, and I tip my hat to him.

But let’s move into the usual negative rhetoric you have come to expect from me.

As always, I still struggle to take his achievements on the same level as those who have come before him. I’m a logical guy when it comes to reading into records. Generally I’m the type of person who likes to let the stats back up the facts. Statistically speaking, Lewis Hamilton has had a very easy run to the status he has had. A level that Schumacher, Senna, Prost, Vettel, Alonso and the chasing pack haven’t had. It’s simply something that stats don’t lie on.

In saying that, Lewis Hamilton is not a bad driver. Far from it. He is one of the all-time greats and, as mentioned a few weeks ago, he would easily be in line for a spot on the ‘F1 Mount Rushmore’. It also comes with the fact that you can’t put any average person in the best car in the field and have them win. If that were the case, Bottas would be winning every other weekend, and he’s not. So Hamilton is and will always be an F1 legend.

But those involved in the cult of Team LH have seemingly lost all sense of clarity when it comes to defending their star driver.

(Photo by Mario Renzi – Formula 1/Formula 1 via Getty Images)

Case in point a consistent retort used is that he hasn’t always had the best car, while drivers such as Schumacher and Senna did. Once again, stats back up the facts, so let’s take a look at those, shall we?

Hamilton has had one car in his career that wasn’t in the best two of the field, and that was in 2009 in his McLaren. However, by the second half of that season the car had easily shot itself into the top two best cars in the field, a fact backed up by Hamilton going from having a highest finish of fourth in the opening nine rounds and zero podiums to ending the final eight races with a win and five podiums. No other driver in the back half of 2009 had that many podiums or scored as many points as Hamilton did. Hell, even his teammate at the time, Heikki Kovalainen, went from having six points after nine rounds to 22 by the end of the season.

To back that point up, the one time had a car that wasn’t in the top two of the field, he did very little with it. Every other season he has been in a car that was in the top two of the year. A whole separate article could easily be made to list all the years that Senna, Schumacher, Prost, Vettel and Alonso didn’t.

This drum banging is annoying and won’t sit well with everyone. But the fact of the matter is if you’re going to support a driver and claim things like they are the ‘best of all time’, do some simple fact-checking and get some background research done before fully sticking to your claims.

Sbinnala Bottas
Wow. Valtteri. What on earth was that? From a driver who really isn’t as bad as many people claim, that was one rugged race. How many spins were there in total? It must be at least five. And to be lapped by your teammate, somebody who you had to beat to stay in the hunt for a championship? Wow. Name a driver who has had a worse race in recent memory. I’d love to hear it.

The most intriguing part was that once again Bottas said he would “get him next year”. Not sure how long a year is in Finland, but something tells me it’s a lot longer than the 365 or 366-day years we’re used to in the rest of the world.

Seb shows he still has it
Lost in all the excitement of Lance doing so well was the small fact that Ferrari actually had their best race of the year. At the back end of that was the superb drive by Sebastian Vettel to go from 12th on the grid to his first podium of the season. Incredible. There has never been any doubt to me that he is as still as good as he has always been, and it’s moments like this that show how capable of a driver he is.

On that note, the class shown by Seb after the race to be the first driver to congratulate Lewis was second to none. Bravo, Seb, for once again showing you are perhaps the classiest guy on the grid.

Turkey needs to return
There is a nice empty slot in the calendar next year with the big bold letters of TBC, and unless we’re about to see the debut of the Tasmanian Backmarker Championship – and I’m all far that as I feel I’m in with a shot – I highly recommend putting Turkey back on the list.

Out of all the Tilkedromes in existence, Istanbul Park is by far the best and one that is universally loved. Turn 8 alone should be enough to have this race on the calendar every year, and after a super weekend it should surely put it as a high contender for that TBC slot.

Please make it happen, F1. I, the fans and everyone else will thank you for it.

With three races remaining, there is little to play for except hopefully more races like this one. As always, I’ll speak to you after Bahrain, and bring it on!

The Crowd Says:

2020-11-18T07:24:39+00:00

Dexter The Hamster

Roar Rookie


And to be fair, I still thought it was exciting, for reasons you mention, however maybe I was being optimistic that in the conditions we might see someone else cross the line first. But alas.....

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2020-11-17T19:55:37+00:00

Ben Waterworth

Roar Guru


I really appreciate him finally getting some long overdue credit and respect throughout this entire season and recent happenings to him. It's good to see

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2020-11-17T19:54:28+00:00

Ben Waterworth

Roar Guru


Good point. I still was somehow enthralled by the last half, wondering if there would have to be some late pit stops from the front runners, and then with the threat of rain I was thinking something could happen. But you're right, it wasn't as exciting as the first half

2020-11-17T07:50:29+00:00

Nick

Roar Guru


Needed a splash of rain in the last few laps, but to see the class and level headedness of Vettel being rewarded was great.

2020-11-17T07:49:38+00:00

Nick

Roar Guru


And Vettel at Red Bull and Alonso at Renault. Schumacher did it twice. Ferrari and Benetton. Benetton collapsed when he left.

2020-11-17T07:48:03+00:00

Nick

Roar Guru


Good point on the Williams podium. Baku is often overlooked. Fair play. And I agree the talent is there. Unfortunately, it will never be fully realised- he doesn't have the hunger to do better. He's the ONLY driver in the field with a guaranteed seat. He needs the threat of not having a seat to really bring out his best. His career would benefit more if he wasn't racing for RP to be honest. And bang on the final paragraph. The best drivers prove themselves in bad cars. Hamilton instead chooses to whinge prodigiously when his car set up is not absolutely perfect (read: dry weather and in front).

2020-11-17T06:09:55+00:00

Dexter The Hamster

Roar Rookie


Love it Ben. I saw your excitement on Twitter when Stroll landed pole position. Happy days. I fully expected Max to jump him at the start, but when he got away and built a lead, I was riding him home all the way. Unlucky ending for him, but great experience. I must say the first half of the race was amazing, but I can't recall being so flat at the end of a race in a long time. The fact that everyone else pitted a second time, and Lewis and Checo stayed out in clear air with a one-stop strategy, and that decided the race, was unfortunate. That race could have been a real classic, but in the end we got what we usually get, a LH and Merc victory.

2020-11-17T06:05:28+00:00

Dexter The Hamster

Roar Rookie


Fernando almost won the WC in 2010, even though RB and McLaren looked to have the better cars that year, in addition to 2012. Lewis has always had a top car, and it shows in his record. Its kind of unlucky for him, as he hasn't got the ability to say "I joined this team and took them to the top", whereas that's exactly Schumacher's legacy at Ferrari.

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2020-11-17T04:57:30+00:00

Ben Waterworth

Roar Guru


I've actually been a Stroll fan far before I ever moved here funnily enough. He gets barely any attention here. A headline here on a major sports website after his poll said "Canadian F1 driver Lance Stroll secures maiden Pole Position". Could you imagine a headline referring to Daniel Ricciardo as "Australian Dan Ricciardo" in Australia? I'm never going to claim the guy is the best in the field. Far from it. And I doubt he will ever come close to even challenging for a championship. He is a driver that has a couple of wins in him at best and could have a fairly long mid-tier career. I just feel he needs more credit than he gets and is far more than simply that rich kid who had his dad buy a team. The guy scored a podium and a front row in a Williams when they were on the way down. There is talent there, he just needs to mature to have it be more consistent. My main point with Lewis is that he has always had a top 2 car. Always. Your points with Senna and Schumacher are spot on. I'm no Alonso fan in the slightest, but even he had to work through the rigors of Minardi, a mid-tier Renault in 2003 & 2004 and 2008 & 2009 and somehow get the worst Ferrari in decades to win races and very nearly the championship in 2012. All the true greats have that to carry with them. Until Lewis can show that he is capable of doing exactly that in a car that isn't fighting for wins, then perhaps I'll jump more on the GOAT train.

2020-11-17T04:25:03+00:00

Nick

Roar Guru


Lol...the zealots can be so so weird. Schumacher started his career in a Benetton that was the best of the rest but not a candle on McLaren and Williams. Senna started out in a Toleman and spent his early days paying his dues in the back of the grid. Got rewarded with a jump to a mid-tier Lotus. Hamilton started his career in an ultra competitive McLaren that was no worse than the second row on the grid. He's never been in a bad car. Who are these gibbons on Twitter!? Hahaha. I think your defence of Stroll is biased due to you being in Canada by the way...but hey, you are entitled to your opinion as much as I am mine. Hulkenburg outdrove Stroll. Stroll's weaknesses were exposed in Monza. He was gifted "pole" on the red flag restart and blew it. A better driver wouldn't have.

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2020-11-17T04:10:57+00:00

Ben Waterworth

Roar Guru


A large portion of the Twitter conversation I was involved in was centred around people seemingly believing Senna and Schumacher never had bad cars. I’ve been trying to get my head around their thought process since. And I don’t agree that Stroll has been outdriven that comprehensively. The first half of the season he had the measure of Perez a large portion of the time and it’s also been proven that he had an issue with the car which caused his tyre problems in the race. For sure I agree Perez is the far better driver, I just feel he is closer than people say.

2020-11-17T01:35:32+00:00

Nick

Roar Guru


Stroll did much better in Turkey, and he earned his pole position - but you HAVE to acknowledge he was still comprehensively outdriven by his teammate who managed his tyres and his race better. Stroll is probably unfairly maligned (and I certainly don't hold back), but what he will never be able to shake is that he has been absolutely outdriven by his teammate this year, and if not for daddy...I can't see him winning in a RP. Agree with the comments on Hamilton. What absolutely drives me up the wall is his incessant pre-race complaining "it's too wet", "the track is a nightmare", "the conditions aren't great"...basically he was sulking that because it wasn't dry, his Merc qualified 6th and he was already teeing up the excuses. Of course, he won so suddenly he backflipped and said they should get more opportunities in these conditions. Alonso, Schumacher, Senna, Prost....would NEVER whinge about the conditions. They would relish the chance to drive in them. Btw, have people actually tried to argue that Schumacher and Senna always had the best car when defending Hamilton?? Seriously? The 1996-1998 Ferrari was definitely not the best for Schumacher. Only in 1999 did it start to emerge as the class contender. He stayed in the fight through sheer grit and skill. And anyone who said Senna had the best cars needs their head read. His Lotus days he was nowhere in the best car, and post 1991 the McLaren was clearly the 3rd best in the field. Great to see Seb Vettel get a podium. Form is temporary and class is permanent. It takes a level head to succeed in the wet. It's not a coincidence or luck that Hamilton, Perez and Vettel finished in the top 3.

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