The valley of the doomed: Is there a better coach than Madge or Hook out there?

By Redcap / Roar Guru

Who would want to be a coach? They’re all ultimately doomed. Most fail quickly and mercifully, though many end up being chased out of town by the virtual flaming torches and pitchforks of media, both legacy and social.

Some are barely recognisable by the end, having aged 20 years during their brief tenure.

Two NRL head coaches – Anthony Griffin and Michael Maguire – currently find themselves ‘under pressure’, as the NRL rumour mongers like to say, with their teams showing no sign of improvement during embarrassing defeats in round five.

Whether the expectations of supporters and commentators accords with what Tigers and Dragons players are actually capable of matters little. One or both will be chased out of town the way things are going.

Which raises some questions: is there anybody who could do better and, if there is and assuming they’re interested in taking full responsibility for unrealistic external expectations, weak rosters and the dysfunctional organisations that created them, who are they?

There are currently seven NRL assistants who’ve been full-time head coaches and a further five who’ve been interim head coaches. Parramatta’s David Kidwell coached New Zealand on ten occasions, while Ryan Carr, Terry Matterson, Justin Morgan and Craig Sandercock have been head coaches in the UK.

Most of those with prior experience are unlikely to get another shot and some won’t want one. There are a couple of former coaches who’re routinely ‘linked’ with actual or prospective vacancies and will be again.

There are some young hopefuls who seem to have the right pedigree, and some experienced Super League coaches who aren’t part of typical speculation, but who might make sense for a struggling club looking to steady the ship and appoint a mentor for a future coach.

The following six might be capable of leading the Dragons or Tigers to a better place or leading themselves deeper into the valley of the doomed.

John Morris

Morris has a modest win rate of 45 per cent from his time as head coach of Cronulla, but he guided them to the finals twice and a number of young Sharks seemed to improve under his tutelage. He’s already been linked with the vacant Leeds Rhinos job.

He was apparently highly regarded by Cronulla’s players, though Phil Rothfield, who is notoriously wrong about almost everything, is among his staunchest advocates.

Shane Flanagan

Flanagan’s the name that comes up immediately whenever there’s a vacancy, or just the slightest hint of a coach being ‘under pressure’.

And with good reason. Flanagan’s win rate is 55 per cent from 198 games, he won a premiership with Cronulla in 2016 and is famously dedicated, having continued to perform some of his duties as coach despite being on gardening leave in 2014.

While some clubs may have qualms about him, it seems certain he’ll get another head coach position before too long. Beggars can’t be choosers.

Jason Ryles

With Craig Fitzgibbon now ensconced at Cronulla, Ryles is probably the best credentialled assistant yet to attain a head coaching gig.

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He was a captain-coach in Illawarra after retiring as a player, served an apprenticeship under Craig Bellamy, diversified as a skills coach in English rugby union and is now working under Trent Robinson.

The doubts about Ryles: he might merely be basking in the glow of Craig Bellamy and Trent Robinson and any semi-competent coach should be able to improve the skills of rugby union players.

Kristian Woolf

Woolf seems to have a knack for the coaching caper. He did well with North Queensland’s youth teams and in the Queensland Cup. He guided Tonga to third place at the 2017 World Cup and has won two Super League titles and a Challenge Cup with St Helens.

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There’s an argument that James Roby and company could win the Super League by themselves, given the competition is currently even more imbalanced than usual. Still, I think Woolf will be a coach in the NRL some day and will probably do alright.

Steve McNamara

I’m fascinated by McNamara. There’s a chance he’s a good but, until recently, unsuccessful coach who’s figured it out after some early travails.

His credentials have long been touted, but his first job at Bradford Bulls was mostly a disaster. Said disaster didn’t stop him getting the England job and his teams did roughly what you’d expect: beat France and Wales, lose to Australia and win three out of seven against New Zealand.

After leaving the national team, he worked under Trent Robinson at the Roosters and spent some time with the New Zealand Warriors, before joining Catalans in 2018. He inherited a rabble in Perpignan but led them to a Challenge Cup in 2018, and a minor premiership and grand final appearance in 2021.

Despite losing some key players over the off-season, his Catalans team have been grinding out results and look the most likely challenger to St Helens in 2022.

Tony Smith

Here’s somebody who has, as far as I recall, never been ‘linked’ to a job in the NRL. Until now.

Like his older brother Brian Smith, Tony has lost a few finals in his time but, unlike his brother, he’s won plenty and seems reinvigorated by the challenge at Hull KR.

Between Huddersfield, Leeds, Warrington and Rovers, he’s won 62 per cent of his 526 matches in the UK. These include two grand final victories with Leeds, as well as two minor premierships, three grand final appearances and three Challenge Cup victories with Warrington.

He’s also coached England and Great Britain and, most recently, led Hull KR to the finals in 2021, upsetting Warrington in the first round before losing to eventual grand finalists Catalans in the second.

I’d give him a chance.

The Crowd Says:

2022-04-15T18:24:22+00:00

EastOfDivide

Guest


Sorry! It was meant to say , 1 GF Win!

2022-04-15T18:23:06+00:00

EastOfDivide

Guest


No way that West’s would ever offer Ivan Cleary another chance to coach them. After he jumped off of that bus. However, what they wouldn’t give to have some ‘ plodder ‘ , coach their first grade side to 2 GF appearances in a row, including 2 GF Win!

2022-04-14T00:05:14+00:00

mach4

Roar Rookie


205 games as a player, 203 games as a coach with a 50% win/loss "I found it to be a different club to any club I’d been with. It was a political hotbed. I knew the first day I went in there it was going to be a tough gig. I went in there to coach, not be a politician. It was conflicted." His comment on being let go by the Tigers and nothing seems to have changed regardless of who coaches them. Coaching the Mounties has kept him in touch with the changes in the game, a good fit for the Saints or my guys the Dogs.

AUTHOR

2022-04-13T10:40:59+00:00

Redcap

Roar Guru


Why do you say that Mach? He was well thought of years ago, but haven't heard much about him in a while.

2022-04-13T05:09:42+00:00

mach4

Roar Rookie


One from the left-field - Mick Potter the Mounties.

2022-04-12T21:42:04+00:00

Glory Bound

Roar Rookie


Spoken by the mother of all liars. My comment was for comedic effect whereas you are a sociopathic narcissist constantly seeking my attention. That is why you have nothing to say unless it is to me or about me Alex Forrest (Fatal Attraction).

2022-04-12T13:14:43+00:00

Dandragon

Roar Rookie


“ I never let truth get in the way of a good story and I stay consistent to points I try to drive home”… Says it all.

AUTHOR

2022-04-12T11:54:06+00:00

Redcap

Roar Guru


I really don't understand all that stuff about Flanagan. Yeah, it was a big ask, but that's what he's there to do and I'm sure he was up for it. He played pretty well, IMO. Canterbury's biggest problem generally is their defence in the middle. On the weekend, a certain fullback was their immediate problem.

2022-04-12T11:39:38+00:00

Glory Bound

Roar Rookie


Always AMD. :silly: I meant to congratulate you on a great story but I guess I got caught up in the passion of the moment. :happy: But you know I never let truth get in the way of a good story and I stay consistent to points I try to drive home within a given media cycle. Barrett and Flanagan are trending atm and I'm just doing my bit to ensure it stays that way and the blowtorch is well and truly applied to Barrett's backside.

AUTHOR

2022-04-12T11:29:32+00:00

Redcap

Roar Guru


Hi GB, I was examining the merits of six potential (though not very likely) replacements. I also subtly ridiculed the speculation and unrealistic expectations around coaches, regardless of who they are. The article's not really about Hook or Madge (or Barrett) - having read the article, you know that, right ( :silly: )

2022-04-12T11:12:58+00:00

Glory Bound

Roar Rookie


AMD, why are you debating the worth of Anthony Griffin and Michael Maguire without mentioning the numpty wedged between them? Trent Barrett has a far better squad to work with and is head coach of a club that has made the biggest investment in rebuilding it's roster over the off-season. Yet the Dogs are sitting just one loss and 6 points differential away from coming LAST! Why is no one putting pressure on Barrett? Barrett tried to bury criticism of his callous treatment of young Kyle Flanagan and destroy the last remaining vestige of Flanagan's confidence by throwing the kid to the Lions Panthers. Instead of choking as Barrett expected the kid had a fine game leaving Barrett to cynically take credit for a move that was meant to end not resuscitate young Flanagan's faltering career. Let's talk about Barrett, AMD. He is the coach who should really be in hot water at this point of the season.

AUTHOR

2022-04-12T10:58:21+00:00

Redcap

Roar Guru


Not sure if he'd be interested, but that could work.

2022-04-12T10:41:49+00:00

Justin

Guest


What about Jason Ryles? Worth a shot at the Dragons…

2022-04-12T10:39:31+00:00

Justin

Guest


West’s aren’t that bad a line up. Not so sure that I’d want Roberts in the centres. Definitely get rid of Brooks. Madden isn’t a bad half . Leave him at halfback. Find a decent 5/8th. I think Hastings was another waste of money. Add in Korisau next season & a different coach may have an immediate impact . All depends on who you can get at 5/8th?

AUTHOR

2022-04-12T09:52:39+00:00

Redcap

Roar Guru


Kearney, Provan, Bath and Brian Smith did alright. I wouldn't call Brown a disaster - sure, we should probably have had a premiership out of 2005-06 - but it's not like he bombed. Mary - I'll agree there. I don't think Hook being an outsider has anything to do with his performance, or lack thereof.

2022-04-12T09:16:04+00:00

Adam Bagnall

Roar Guru


As a Dragons fan I don't want any former player coaching the club. It has proven to be a disaster with the likes of Nathan Brown and Paul McGregor

AUTHOR

2022-04-12T08:17:47+00:00

Redcap

Roar Guru


Ciraldo and Young, maybe - we'll see. Green, not impossible but I think his stock is severely diminished. The rest aren't going to get a gig, IMO.

2022-04-12T08:05:38+00:00

TA

Guest


You left out the main canditates in Green, Ciraldo, Cartwright, Furner, Young, Georgallis, the list goes on??????

2022-04-12T04:21:05+00:00

Dionysus

Guest


Hi AMD, Fair points but you only get experience by someone giving you a chance. His track record with Wigan had quite a few Premierships and Challenge Cups in it, something they have not seen since he left. He is as rough as guts and might just be what a team like the Tigers need. He did come over here and play in a few WCC games plus a couple of games against the Roosters plus it was under his tenure that Wigan beat Cronulla in the WCC. Still I guess we will get some idea of whether he can coach or not later this year.

AUTHOR

2022-04-12T03:15:19+00:00

Redcap

Roar Guru


Another one I'll submit an article about at some point is: what if rugby league didn't have such a powerful and passionate advocate (Doc Evatt) during WW2. It's not as significant as 1909, WW1 or the various possibilities around Australia's super league, but things could've looked a bit different in the aftermath.

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