Keep Guus away from the Socceroos

Slovenians would like to play against Guus team on WC 2010 and beat him again:) Slovenian coach Matjaz Kek is much better than Guus! I wonder if Guus would congratulate Matjaz for beating him again. In Maribor Guus was so disapointed that he didn't shake hands with Slovenian Manager after the game.

"A maverick, a bluffer, someone who has the uncanny knack of taking the right opportunity at the right time and demanding heavy remuneration for it." Are you talking about Hiddink here or Craig Foster?

absolutely right jesse, pim deserves to have his world cup. he got us there through a hard campaign

I agree with all the things you just said execept being against the dutch system i dont mind dutch football they produce good players for a small nation. To be honest but in the end of the day i still think Guus is better and as much as it might be a bit uncanning to bring Guus back over Pim i think it would benefit Australias WC chances in the end of the day if Australia gets knocked out of the group stages everyone will be like "we should have tryed to get a better coach" I know Pim will lead us to the WC but i think Guus is a better option if we had a chance to stanch him up then i would say take it. In the end of the day my dream is to see the socceroos Win the WC in 2010 and although i think 2010/2014 are out of our reach if we get to host 2018 or 2020 i think we can do it but we need to do well in the world cup to spark interest from big leagues and big clubs around the world. Australian players are cheap in comparason to anywhere else in the world and buying young players and training them to be good then selling them seems to be the big thing in football these days. ie Arsenal, Man U, barca all do it etc. In turn more players going overseas will mean eventually they will come back home and lift the standard of the A-league. People dont realise the impact world Cup success has look at South Korea they have very good youth coming thought ever since Guus did his magic in 2002 its just a thought =)

Fair enough, I was guilty with generalisation with Uruguay (I was just watching the last 20 minutes of the Costa Rica match) so I really shouldn't have commented on that. I apologise for that. I should know better then to comment in something I have little knowledge on. I think other people would vouch that I'm not a fan of Pim Verbeek and that I'm not exactly happy with our style of play of the socceroos. I'm just saying that it isn't all Pim's fault and he does face greater challenges then what Guus had 4 years ago. I just don't think Pim should get all the blame. Would we do better with Guus? probably, but I think that if Guus was still here, people would be complaining about the performance as well. My personal opinion is it's too late to change First thing: Guus and Pim are probably friends. So it's a moot point. Guus is not going to back stab pim unless's there a huge wab of cash involve 2nd thing: The team gives me the impression that Pim is actually popular with the players. If PIm is sacked they could be internal problems that could be resulted from it. 3rd: Cost, pay off pims contract and pay off Guus hiddink 4th: It also gives a bad message. We complain so much about Dick Advocaat. Callilng him a mercernary and a backstabber. Well we would be doing the same thing. Why would any coach in the future want to be employed by us if we have a reputation of sacking coaches for getting the results that we hired them to . No one will want that lack of job security. We do not have a lot of money to attrack big name coaches. We are only really attractive in terms of working conditions. Sacking Pim like this may restrict the option of coaches we attract in the future. 5th: I could not think of a single occassion where someone who has sacked a coach after qualifying to the world cup and getting good results working. Like I mention before, both Togo and South Africa dismally failed after doing what we are thinking about Pim Verbeek. Really, I didn't support Pim appointment in the beginning (I thought Troussier was a better option). I was against the Dutch obsession. We really should have chosen Fabio Capello over dick Advocaat (Fabio Capello actually approaches FFA about the job) However we made our choice, we stick with it thick through thin.

I disagree yes our players are slower n old but stuggling aginst Oman at home with a full squad in my opinion is not good enough and u did u even watch the match against Costa RIca Uruguay have got stronger since 06 they should have been Argentina and they dominated Costa Rica (who are better then teams like Oman and Barhain). Sorry to Pim but i cant accept the fact that he never changes Formation it makes no Tachical sence i dont mind playin boring football when need be but at times its be good to try difference formations in times when required that is why pim should be replaced in my opinion besides that his a good coach

are we playing a game of trying to keep Pim happy or are we trying to do some damage at the World Cup? bring back Guus!!!

First thing, judging from that Costa rica vs Uruguay. Uruguay seems to gone backwards as well in they were one missed chance away from losing 2-1 to costa rica at home. I admit though that under Pim, we haven't been playing that fluently. however lot of the reasons why we aren't playing that fluently is unrelated to coaching ability We have pretty much the same players but they are 4 years older. They are more slower then they were four years ago especially chipperfield, kewell, moore etc. The younger players bar Carney hasn't stepped up and not playing regularly. We don't have Mark Viduka who played a critical role in the world cup and the Uruguay qualifiers in keeping possession and giving us fluency in attack (lack of mark Viduka is the main reason I believe there is a style debate under Pim Verbeek) So yeah, there's a lack of fluency under Pim Verbeek reign but how much is it his fault. Would Guus do any better? Possibly, however I don't think we can blame all our problems on Pim Verbeek. I honestly think if Guus took over the side now which is weaker then 4 years ago. He would have struggled to beat Uruguay over two legs as well.

Ok this is the Final Arguement! AND THE BOTTOM LINE If you Believe that if our squad would have qulified playing uruguay (the 5th ranked South American team) then you are inclined to say stick with PIM. Everyone Knows we would have failed to qualify at the finial Hurdle again as in ages pasted if pim was coach. If you Agree or disgree your free to comment why?

I agree

Generally a big fan of Foster but the whole line he has taken this year about getting rid of Pim is almost bordering on farce. I would expect that Foster would lament the consequences of the decision by a national FA to sack a coach, a coach who has taken a team through World Cup qualification with relative ease. He would highlight any number of previous instances where such a decision has resulted in a side performing poorly in the subsequent World Cup, whether the previous coach was better or worse than the replacement. But he is suggesting such a thing for Australia, to a first time World Cup qualification coach, just as the draw is announce, in the middle of a Asia Cup qualification process. As mentioned in other posts here, the reputation of Australia would be tarnished; it is a line we should not cross. Pim may not do as well as Guus, Australia may not get out of the group stage, but that is just experience to use for the next coaching appointment. Wonder if we will see Pim on TWG anytime soon?

Cahill penalty fair enough. But lets not go to the Croatia match, English ref, should have sent Suminic of after 2 yellow cards not 3. The Aussie born Suminic actually rugby tackled Viduka in a worst penalty offence then Cahill in the Croatia match, not given. Plus I still to this day do not know why the goal we scored in the last minute did not count. Very poor refereeing that day. Yes very emotional after Grosso dive, still hate him immensely, but I know most professionals would have taken the same route.

people like you are the reason it continues...

yes it was a penalty against cahill for sure but thats not the point i was making... i was talking about grosso cheating... like henry did this morning...

am sure they wont fall for GA again... the hope is that maybe the FFA have lined someone up quickly. i imagine after 2010 there will be a few elligible candidates floating about. if they havent then there would be serious questions about what lessons the admin have learnt from the past.

If Lucas had stayed on his feet then there would of been no penalty. We were all very emotiomal that night but on reflection a lot of us have come to a different conclusion. Even Lucas backed off on his "cheat' remarks after the game. Let's just get over it. The Olympics and other sports are full of drug cheats, Rugby had it's premeditated "Bloodgate' cheating scandal. There are a lot worse cheats in World sport than a bit of play acting to get a free kick or pen.

Get a room.

On the other hand, if the ref had awarded a blatant penalty against Cahill v Japan then Australia would probably not have gone through to beat Croatia (via Kewell's offside goal), let alone to play Italy.

maybe it's in our best interests not to be so mercenary and to see through what we contracted? We chased russia/advocaat for 2million when he reneged on his contract w/o. what price wld Pim have? loss of potential earnings etc etc.... it might be more expensive to fire than to keep him. can the FFA afford to be so disloyal? what effect on reputation? anyway why wld Guus come back? money only... and after we paid off Pim and payrolled Guus (or whoever) how much wld the FFA have (seeing they are paying for 4 HAl teams etc). he is also contracted to the russians until after 2010 - if they dont let him go and we approached him do we need to pay them off aswell?

bad things like diving? youre kidding if you think he touched him at all... grosso is a cheat but aust were appalling in the attacking third and hiddink did nothing about it...