Why A-League should introduce an FFA Cup

By gurudoright / Roar Rookie

In recent weeks, both players and coaches of the A-League have called for more competitive games during each season. The obvious choice for many football fans is a knock-out cup, called the FFA Cup, ran on similar lines to the F.A. Cup.

A full blown knock-out competition on the scale of the F.A. Cup is both logistically and economically unfeasible at the moment but a smaller scaled down version can be achievable now.

Why?
The FFA Cup can give back to the fans what they truly desire, a knock-out competition. Not only for the rusted on fans but the casual fan as well. Some casual football fans will make an effort to stay up to watch the F.A. Cup every year but not necessarily a regular season game. Why?

Because a Cup Final has a mystique and aura surrounding it that no other club game has. It also allows a connection to “old soccer” where fans of former NSL clubs have a chance to see their club playing in the limelight again against the best football teams that Australia can offer.

The FFA Cup offers the chance to heal some old wounds when the old NSL was discarded and the A-League was set up. This competition also allows for up to four extra games a year for the players to play at high intensity.

Who?
In the first few seasons of a FFA Cup, I would suggest the nine Australian A-League teams (I think, and I could be wrong, that the AFC won’t allow the Phoenix to play in an Australian knock-out competition) should play. As well, the six state champions from the various state leagues, plus the winner of a Northern Territory and A.C.T champions play-off to make an easy knock-out competition number of 16.

No doubt after a few years when the competition becomes more popular and more financially viable, that number can rise from the seven state and territory representatives to either a 14 team cross border knockout for those seven spots or a straight 32 team knock-out with the 9 Australian A-League teams and 23 teams from the various state leagues.

How?
In the first round of a FFA Cup, the A-League teams should be separated from playing each other. Although this sounds unfair, I can not see any media organisation wishing to buy television rights to a FFA Cup if it can’t guarantee the majority of the best teams making it through to the second round. And let’s face it, without a media organisation willing to pump money in to televise it, the competition won’t get off the ground.

The fixture should be drawn by pots like the F.A Cup with the first team pulled out of the pot to get home ground advantage over the next team pulled out. In the case of the first round, where A-League teams can not be drawn against each other, if say Melbourne Heart is drawn out of the pot first and then Brisbane Roar second, Brisbane Roar will be moved down to the next fixture, but still as the away team.

In the second and third round, A-League teams can play against each other and the first team pulled out of the pot will have the home ground advantage.

The venue for the final is a tricky one. I hate the idea of the biggest stadium of the two finalists gets the final. I think maybe the team in the final that has scored the most goals throughout the knockout gets to host the match, whether it is a small stadium like Adelaide’s Hindmarsh Stadium or a bigger stadium like Etihad Stadium in Melbourne or Brisbane’s Suncorp.

If the two teams in the final can’t be separated by goals scored, it should then go on goals against etc.

When?
This is a hard one as most people seem to favour an Australia Day final, and although it sounds like a great idea finding time to squeeze in games prior to this date, it could be hard. Ideally the first round of the FFA Cup should be played a week or two after the state leagues have wound up to allow the current state champions a chance to compete when match fit.

To allow for this, the first weekend in October stands out for me. It is a public holiday on the Monday in South Australia, N.S.W. and A.C.T which means with a possible seven teams from these regions in the Cup, it allows the opportunity for one or two games to be played on the Monday afternoon/night of that public holiday.

This way fans can attend the games, as well as have a game or two in prime time for TV. The second round would have to be in mid-November. There is no special reason for that, except that it fits in nicely with no other major sporting events on.

The semi-finals could be played on the weekend closest to New Year’s Eve. I know the Central Coast usually play on New Year’s Eve, but the FFA Cup semi-finals could create its own traditions in time.

This will still allow the Mariners to play on New Year’s Eve if they don’t make the final four. The Final could be a celebration on Australia Day. As it is a public holiday across the country, it allows fans to either travel to the final or at the very least watch it on TV

Cost?
The two main expenditures for this competition will come from flights and accommodation. For the flights, I have allowed each travelling team 27 spots (16 players, 11 staff) and each person a $300 flight each way.

I realise a flight from Perth to anywhere costs more than $300 but flights between Sydney and Melbourne or Brisbane would be less than $300, so it evens out. More so if one of the ties is a derby i.e. Victory versus Heart or Central Coast versus Sydney etc, where no flights will be required.

For argument sake, if all eight visiting teams need to fly, it will work out as eight teams x 27 tickets x $300 x two (there and back) which equals $129,600 (rounding up to $130,000) for flights in the first round.

Half the teams in round two mean half the cost, a total of $65,000 (rounding up to $70,000). The same reasoning goes for the semi-finals, in which flight costs are $32,500 (round up to $35,000) and flights for the final will cost $16,250 (round up to $20,000).

So in total if we add up all the rounded figures, the total cost of flights comes to $255,000. That is $255,000 if every away team needs to fly and cheaper if some teams don’t. I almost forgot about the officials, you can add 4 officials per game (anymore can come from the local federation). 4 officials x 15 games of the FFA Cup x $300 flights x two(there and back) = $36,000.

Added to teams flights cost, the total flight cost of the tournament is approximately $291,000.

With the accommodation, I have assumed that a travelling team of 27 would need 15 rooms. One for the coach, captain and somebody else will have their own room while the others will share 12 twin rooms.

If a team requires 15 rooms at a cost of $300 per room for 2 nights (the night before and after the match), that comes to $9,000 per travelling team. That means accommodation will cost approx. $72,000 for the first round, $36,000 for the second round, $18,000 for the semi-finals and $9,000 to host the finalist.

That total comes to $135,000 for team accommodation. The officials will need four rooms for each of the 15 games, again at $300 a room, and the total comes to $18,000. That is a total of $153,000 for accommodation for players and officials. Again, that is if every away team and official needs to travel.

For other miscellaneous costs, add another $156,000 to round the total cost of the whole tournament to $600,000.

Funding?
We have a competition that I have costed at $600,000 and somehow we need to regain that cost. There are two main sources of funding, TV rights and naming rights.

Firstly, TV rights. Obviously Foxtel would be the main player in any TV rights as I could not see commercial TV being interested in telecasting round one or two of the FFA Cup.

Although the Semis and the final would be attractive to commercial TV, I can not see the FFA wanting to sell those games separately. Foxtel will be able to show all eight games of the first round, one on the Friday night, three games on the Saturday, two on Sunday and two on the Monday of the long weekend in S.A, N.S.W and ACT.

The four games of round two could be played over the November weekend to suit Foxtel’s TV scheduling, same with the semi-finals. The final can be shown in prime time on Australia Day to help Foxtel gain viewership for the game.

How much would Foxtel pay to have the rights to this competition, all 15 games? I would say the FFA should aim for $500,000 per year. It sounds like a lot and I know Foxtel probably won’t gain any new subscriptions based solely on the FFA Cup, but they could sell the final and perhaps the semi-finals to a commercial network for a simultaneous telecast to help recoup some of that $500,000.

The naming rights should be sold to help finance the competition. It could be called the “(insert name here) FFA Cup” with advertising and signage at all games. By having the naming rights from the beginning, it doesn’t allow traditionalist to not call the Cup by its sponsor’s name.

How many people referred to the ‘Sheffield Shield’ when it was officially named ‘The Pura Cup’ after Pura Milk and how many people still call Suncorp Stadium ‘Lang Park’?

By having the sponsor on board from day one, it allows the sponsor’s name to be directly associated with the competition. How much should the FFA look at for selling off the name?

I think it should look at $500,000 per year. If the Cronulla Sharks can get a $3million sponsorship deal for three years, considering they have not made the finals in the past few years and don’t have a national presence, I feel the FFA should be able to secure a sponsor with naming rights to the trophy for $500,000.

Another way funds can be raised is from the gate money. Clubs should share all gates, like in the F.A Cup, with the host of each tie sharing the gate 50/50 with the visiting team after costs (stadium hire etc).

The gates from the final should go straight to the FFA. If the final is played in say, Newcastle with its 30,000 seat stadium and each ticket to the final is on average $40 each, that is $1.2million for the gate before stadium fees and other costs.

In my plan the FFA will keep half of all profits from the FFA Cup to spend on grassroots programs and fund other football operations. The other half of the profits should go to prize money for this comp as well as the A-League proper, to encourage clubs to want to participate.

What do you think, Roarers?

Is it time for The FFA Cup?

The Crowd Says:

2012-09-24T06:27:21+00:00

Jonathan

Guest


With the new television rights deal being finalised in the next few weeks, I think that the A-league has missed out again. $175 million dollars for broadcasting the A-league and the socceroos matches seems reasonable, however if the FFA were really serious about the FFA cup they should have included in the proposal. This would have seen the deal between the FFA, Foxsports and SBS be close to $200 million.

2012-08-12T08:26:29+00:00

Edo

Guest


I am going to dissapoint a few "believers"of their own insanity which is comparing amateur sport vs professional sport and hoping that their imagination is sufficient to make it a success. Meh! regardless of the effort our friend has put in calculations, costs etc. I can not happen, and if it does, will be a flop with huge blown out costs that will serve only for some to say "I told you so" For start the old cry about the old soccer and the new football meeting somewhere in the middle is just an old tiresome cry, forget it, there is no need to join with the old soccer, if the old soccer fanatics had any interest in the game, they would stick the dummy in their gobs rather than spitting it as they did. I still hear the old sooks crying loud because the South Melbourne Hellas or the Melbourne Knights were not given a chance to enter the A league. Meh, leave them in the wilderness to be just that HISTORY and do not worry about them. The day that in every city we fill the stadiums to see the A league will be the time to ask for that type of competition many seem to call for. While we have A league games attended by 5 000 people forget it.

2012-08-08T01:22:14+00:00

Kasey

Guest


Agreed, but this is Australian football, the fans like a bunch of Veruca Salts want everything (vibrant stable comp, intelligent football coverage from the media, an FA that knows what its doing, a successful National team and an FFA Cup competition) now [yesterday - even!] dammit!

2012-08-08T01:18:22+00:00

Fussball ist unser leben

Roar Guru


The FFA has consistently being saying the FFA Cup would kick-off in 2013/14 season, so this HS story comes as no surprise. And, the format seems pretty consistent with what we all want.

2012-08-08T00:19:51+00:00

Kasey

Guest


The Herald Sun (of all papers?) reports FFA Cup ‘on hold until 2013 pending the game’s new broadcast deal’ It appears the FFA are looking at a more traditional route of all in, but keeping the early rounds regional as many sensible posters have suggested. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/soccer/ffa-cup-on-hold-due-to-cost-concerns/story-e6frfg8x-1226445167381 I read this as, we’ve spent all of our petty cash over recent seasons in supporting various clubs and setting up WSW and we’d like to have a stable financial platform to launch a new competition. And IMO financial prudence is a welcome sign from head office. I see this upcoming season being a very good one for the game and its image, an FA Cup 'launch' on the back of a bunch of good news stories (WSW, new TV deal, improved KPIs in the HAL etc) would only help to encourage sponsors to get on board.

2012-08-07T07:44:06+00:00

PeterK

Guest


That's great news!

2012-08-07T07:39:05+00:00

PeterK

Guest


Hear! Hear!

2012-08-07T07:35:23+00:00

PeterK

Guest


Many good points Ian W.

2012-08-07T07:32:46+00:00

PeterK

Guest


Folks, I'm hoping the FFA are playing cagey by keeping very quiet on any KO Cup comp until AFTER the next TV deal. Then, when that's all done and dusted (without any mention of a KO Cup) then an EXTRA TV deal might be done just for the KO comp. My feeling is that that course of action would result in more dosh in total.

2012-08-05T00:51:19+00:00

Cappuccino

Roar Guru


An FFA Cup is a great idea, and should start as soon as possible. However, the A-League clubs shouldn't be seeded for the first round. The whole romance of cup competitions is the way that big teams can be knocked out early and underdogs can win the trophy. No seeding, just straight cup format.

2012-08-04T09:26:57+00:00

thinker

Guest


A-league clubs should just become members of their local state feds and just join the state cups, then have the state cup holders playoff against each other is that so hard

2012-08-04T02:18:47+00:00

Ian Whitchurch

Guest


The more I like at this, the more I think gurudoright has painted the picture of how the second half of the FFA Cup works. The first half is the regional qualifiers, and, yes, we can just steal the model of the Mirabella Cup from Victoria. Regional qualifiers are, well, regional, so travel and accomodation can be made the responsibilities of the clubs, or funded out of the $500/$1000/whatever teams pay to enter. Regional qualifiers happen during the winter months, the "regular" amateur season. The second half starts to crank up in September/October, with the finals happening during the "clear air" after the other football codes' finals are over. An Australia wide knockout FFA Cup. Works for me.

2012-08-04T01:31:52+00:00

Emric

Guest


Kasey. Its interesting because they are part of the problem and should be excluded from the solution... build a competition that works the a-league is doing great its building a good brand and its starting to get some excitement about it which is awesome. I'm looking forward to see how the phoenix go - this little club has done wonders for football in Wellington and New Zealand, and this is in an area which dominated by Rugby. What I don't understand is why the Australian football supporters are so insistent on copying a competition which has a majority support in a majorly rich country, without considering the risks involved. Football is a rich sport, Football in Australia is not I'm not being mean this is reality its the same with Rugby in Australia (I'm a die hard rugby supporter) Rugby world wide is Rich Rugby in Australia is not and if your not one of the Rich you have to look and think outside the box to make workable solutions to generate interest, to make the games tougher and to increase the skills. All Blacks dream of playing in a shield game.

2012-08-04T01:18:32+00:00

Kasey

Guest


I have come around to it, but I predict that it would receive a bit of a rough 'welcome' from many within the football community who have their hearts set on a more traditional cup format. They'd accuse the FFA of doing it on the cheap and disrespecting the traditions of football. You can always tell people like that. They start sentences with "I would follow the A-League if.. and complete the sentence with things like ..it had promotion relegation...the competition logo was on the sleeves....or it didn't have finals. They usually have no idea about the commercial realities the FFA must operate within, like how much money things actually cost etc.

2012-08-04T01:07:52+00:00

Emric

Guest


I agree it would generate a lot of interest from within the FFA community and of course the beauty of the competition is that it does not require massive amounts of additional funding.

2012-08-04T00:59:29+00:00

Kasey

Guest


It also lends itself to a unique name beyond the generic FFA Cup(for some reason the Australia Cup doesn't seem to sound right in my ears.) we've all been tossing around... The 'Sponsor' FFA Challenge Cup, or just the Challenge Cup in short.

2012-08-04T00:47:05+00:00

Kasey

Guest


I'm really coming around to this concept. To determine the 'winner' for ACL purposes, how exciting would it be if the FFA decreed that the winner at date X will get the slot, on the proviso that the winner accepted 2 challenges(1 home and 1 away) in the fortnight leading up to the date.

2012-08-04T00:31:12+00:00

Emric

Guest


Shield games have always been fun

2012-08-04T00:20:17+00:00

Emric

Guest


I would expect that the rules would be modified to meet the requirements of the FFA but the concept is sound. In New Zealand 3rd division teams have won the shield in the past but it hasn't happened often - and second division teams win the shield on a regular basis

2012-08-04T00:17:53+00:00

Midfielder

Guest


The success is to have of a few challenges each year maybe say 9.... given everyone from the A-League and state league can challenge it means when you get to challenge it is a big thing... also if you refuse a challenge from someone it can have you called all sorts of names ... i.e. say the Mariners held it and refused a challenge from the Jets ... or MV refused a challenge from Heart... Holding the "log" which was the name we used in Northland was a matter of huge pride..

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