Wallabies Spring Tour squad named for 2012

Great to see Cummins on the tour . i spoke 2 him in roseria and he would die for the jumper ,He is the genuine article

Who said I was ok with the selection of rogers ahead of latham? U didnt say "eddie jones cost us the game by selecting rogers at full back" you said "rogers cost us the 2003 world cup", I took umbrage to your typically hyperbolic and hysterical comment.

Jiggles, Getting personal doesn't cut it. I came across an interesting comment from the historian AJP Taylor, who observed that once something happened it was easy to argue it was inevitable. Going back to 2003, was it inevitable that Jones' selection of Rogers & Sailor was instrumental in the Wallabies defeat? Is that all there was to it? Such an easy thing to say, just open your mouth. But an entirely different matter to prove otherwise. Sometimes you spray comments around so indiscriminately, if you were in an archery contest, the best place to watch would be at home looking at the TV. ;-)

Didn't watch the Tahs v Canes this year? In a losing side Palu was a shining light.

You are missing an extra prop on that bench as we will require two.

Rogers was the fullback in that movement which was in the second last minute of injury time. He kicked the ball off the side of his boot which landed on the 22. Jiggles is right. It was a perfect platform for England to set up a rolling maul to milk a penalty or roll it infield for a Wilko drop goal (which he did manage off his wrong foot).

Yes the props are because we don't need two sided props as we will be using 8 man benches in the AIs. Sanzar have their heads up their backsides about this and will ruin a lot of props by not complying.

Our lineout is stuffed if Horwill can't get fit next year and Deans picks Timani and Simmons in the row. Timani for his height is useless in the lineout. We can't afford that in the lineout with Richie Gray being an option for the Lions. Gray is easily the best lineout lock in Europe at the moment. Wyn Jones, O'Connell, Donnacha Ryan, Parling are other options they have and they are much better then any lineout lock in Australia at the moment. Fardy like Nic White probably chose to have surgery as he knew he wouldn't get selected for the tests this season.

Mogg was in the June international training squad for about 2 days and was left out. We don't have midweek matches and rankings points are vital with the RWC due in December it wasn't the tour to take rookies on (which we have done in the past). Auelua would offer huge impact off the bench. Covers back row and centres. Anyone who has seen him play in the centres would know what I am talking about.

would he be running at training after that though?

3 inches is a lot to gain in height at 20. You are talking 7.5cms in proper measurements. If Gill is going to play at blindside we need him as a lineout forward. Whether he will be tall enough is the question.

Mate you've got odd definition of 'attacks'. Harden up buddy

I can see why you two like Deans. Being ok with inane selections with no thought to tactics coupled with a near enough is good enough attitude.

Higgers isn't a Red, he is a Rebel. And the attacks on him regarding what happened to Mitchell over 18 months ago are a little pathetic.

Carter needs to find about ten kilos and start pushing in scrums. He is a good lineout target and mobile but wesk in contact - would be Rob Simmons mark 2 at the moment. He is young and to me looks like he will fill out so I have fingers crossed that he could grow into the four jumper.

I'm not being obtuse, sb, just pointing out areas where your reasoning is not at all obvious (at least to me).

Mike you are being obtuse. EVERYBODY has there own opinion about these issues, including you. None of us have an inkling what the plan could be for two reasons, firstly many of those who would be by any measure are injured and not available, secondly Deans and Nucifora have been completely useless and inconsistent with selections since 2010, and especially since he threw away the game plan when he selected McCabe at 12. I defy anybody on the roar to have a clear picture what the future plans are, because they haven't even got a clear picture what the current one is.

spring tours should always be used to give future players a taste of the big time, some experience. Mogg is just an example. The guys like CLL and Morahan are more realistic but injured. As explained elsewhere, just because they have guys like Phipps forced on them, doesnt mean they shouldnt select guys who are genuinely part of their future plans. However, the whole picture is distorted with injuries to both normal selections and those I just talked about. For instance, not a great time for White to be injured at same time as Genia. Or CLL at same time as Cooper etc etc.

To be fair the first two games are the most important as France and England are breathing down our neck for a top seed spot in the RWC. The third game is against Italy, we shouldn't be complacent but I doubt Gill or Samo will be ineffectual against them. So if Pocock and Moore are available for England that is the biggest point of difference.

The northern tour has historically been used to blood new players. Over the years the opposition in the north has been seen as a softer introduction to test rugby than our SANZAR foes. This squad selection suggests the ARU wants to win all games badly and is unwilling to take chances on fringe players, but instead effectively take a chance on injuried ones. This has been a hallmark of Deans' reign and has generally not worked and in fact protracted the injuries to many good players. This tour is all about building confidence ahead of the Lions tour, and inversely bunting the expectations of the Lions in the process.