Anyone but England? For me it's anyone but Uruguay

By dasilva / Roar Guru

Every World Cup we have the Australian media and fans smirking and mocking whenever England get knocked out.

This World Cup was no exception, with England going home without a win and a solitary point.

I can’t help feel a little bit disappointed about this reaction when England are in the same group as Uruguay – the idea of Socceroos fan cheering Uruguay against anyone is grating.

Sure, England are the ‘old enemy’, but most of the rivalry with England is in sports such as cricket where we compete with England regularly. In football, matches against England occur sporadically in friendly matches. There are no defining moments in football between the two nations that warrant any sort of hostility.

In fact, it’s the opposite, as England’s relationship with Australian football is positive. The English media has been supportive of our national team and when we punched above our own weight in 2006 and 2014, they reported a good underdog tale.

Tim Cahill’s wonderstrike against Netherlands saw Robbie Savage react tomore exuberantly than Craig Foster.

When we look at our golden generation, players who were playing in England were the bedrock of the side – Harry Kewell, Mark Viduka, Tim Cahill, Mark Schwarzer, Lucas Neill, Josip Skoko, Luke Wilkshire, Craig Moore, Brett Emerton, Stan Lazaridis and Tony Popovic. English football was one of the core elements developing our most successful side in history.

Tim Cahill was rejected in Australia for being too small. It was Millwall that saw the talent in him which no coaches in Australia could see, and playing in England molded Cahill into our national side’s leading goal scorer.

When the Qatar 2022 World Cup debacle occurred, we had the English media going on about how the World Cup should have been given to Australia, with Gary Linekar backing our bid. The English media were probably more supportive of our World Cup bid than our own media, which was engaged in code wars.

Australia could perhaps have some resentment over Brian Green, the English manager of the Socceroos in 1976 who embarrassed our country for being convicted for shoplifting, leading to his sacking.

With Uruguay, we have integral incidents in Australian football history between our two nations to justify a heated rivalry.

This started back in 1974, when Uruguay arrived in Australia to play two friendlies as a send-off before Australia left for Germany to play in the 1974 World Cup.

The first game Australia dominated, and the Uruguay team resorted to dirty, aggressive play. Socceroos manager Rale Rasic said, “they did not play rough or hard, but dirty.” The match ended in 0-0 but that was only the warm up to a tumultuous second match at the SCG, where Luis Garisto brutally karate chopped our star player Ray Baartz in the neck, leaving him gasping for air. Later on in the match, Garisto punched Baartz in the shin as well.

In one of the bravest performance in Socceroos history, Baartz recovered from the assault, scored a goal and created an assist in a 2-0 victory over Uruguay. However the day after he woke up unable to move his arms and leg. The karate chop hit his carotid artery, causing it to swell up and stopping blood flow to his brain, giving him a stroke.

Baartz was in a coma for two days and although he recovered, he was told he should never play football again, missing out on the 1974 World Cup.

A match against Uruguay resulted in the end of Baartz’s career, a man Frank Lowy described as the greatest Socceroo he’s ever seen.

After a friendly loss to Uruguay in 1992 and a Harry Kewell strike knocking Uruguay out of the Confederation Cup in 1997, Australia faced Uruguay again in 2001 to qualify to the World Cup.

Australia arrived at the Uruguayan airport to be ambushed by ‘fans’, who started jeering, booing, spitting, throwing eggs, spraying aerosol cans, and one fan even tried to punch and physically attack our players.

Customs officials were in on the act as well, making thorough searches of every second player’s luggage and taking objection to minuscule specks of dirt on their boots in an attempt to prolong the time Australian players were facing the hostile crowd.

At 3am the following morning, a group of Uruguayan fans stood outside the hotel and played drums while security sat, watched and enjoyed the spectacle.

In 2005, Álvaro Recoba spoke of divine right to be at the World Cup and the Uruguay Federation displayed gamesmanship in an attempt to change the referees as well as kick off times to unsettle the Socceroos, although it did back fire for the return leg. The Uruguayans had the Australians line up for the national anthem and then move them again. The fact that the only thing Australia did to retaliate was boo the Uruguay national anthem was quite mild in my book.

Although they are plenty of cut-throat, win-at-all-cost nations out there, for the most part they save gamesmanship for the pitch. Argentina treated Australia as guests when our national team travelled there for also a playoff in 1993, and apparently Diego Maradona had a fun night out with the Socceroos player after the match.

I’m not telling this story to encourage hatred against Uruguay, in fact it’s admirable that their fans are so loyal they are willing to do battle outside the pitch for their team. I also know there was a story where a lady approached Paul Agostino in tears, apologising to the Socceroos on behalf of her nation and saying those thugs at the airport don’t represent the entire country.

However my point is that Australia’s greatest rivals in football are the Uruguay national team. Our heated and controversial encounters with them are a core part of the history of football and we shouldn’t forget that simply because we are now in Asia, no longer relying on playoffs with them to qualify to the World Cup.

In football, Uruguay are the ‘old enemy’, not England. I’m now supporting Colombia and whoever plays against Uruguay in this World Cup.

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2016-10-01T05:53:07+00:00

Miguel

Guest


Why do so many Australians hold such a strong grudge against Uruguay over a sport? Was it necessary for John Aloisi to label Uruguayans as "dirty people who cheat to escape poverty"? Do you know that Johnny Warren's wife is Uruguayan? I've been insulted by passing drivers on numerous occasions for wearing a Uruguay shirt. One video on YouTube shows Australian fans harassing Uruguayan fans. Why so much hatred? It's just a game. One comment on this site compares the living standards of Uruguay and Australia. Why does this user feel the need to take the discussion outside of sport and into something completely unrelated? I never hear or see Uruguayans making comments about Australians, asides from some online trolls who say Australia should stick to rugby. Of course, every country has trolls. However, I have seen anti-Uruguayan comments by Australians, one of which expressed a desire to wipe out all Uruguayans with a disease called leprosy. Is that not taking it just a bit too far? I've also seen a comment by an Australia who wanted to line up Argentinean fans and check there passports and execute anyone whose passport wasn't Australian. Is that not hate speech? Is that not fanaticism? Is this any different to the fanaticism of religious extremist? I don't agree with what Recoba said. But I've heard that once Australia eliminated Uruguay from a youth World Cup which was being held in Australia. One Uruguayan player was frustrated and slammed a door. The Australian association discussed this incident with the Uruguayan association and said everything was fine. Then the Australian association complained about the Uruguayans secretly and got them banned from youth World Cups for several years. Is that not dishonestly? I believe this happened during the time Recoba was still young, so he couldn't play in youth World Cups. This may be the reason why Recoba made that "divine-right" statement, but I'm not sure to be honest, nor do I agree with the statement. During the Uruguay 3-0 victory Mark Schwarzer knocked Richard Morales down and I'm pretty sure it was intentional. He didn't get penalised but I never heard any Uruguayans mentioning this so many years after it happened. I've also seen countless racist comments against Italians after the Round of 16 game. Aloisi is an Italian surname. Again. Why so much hatred over a game? Not to mention, everytime Australia loses, I see comments online insulting the other nation and blaming the referee. Every single time. Then again, this probably happens with every nation, but it still seems that when it's Australia the insults are more numerous and more extreme. I've heard that Australia used bribery to host the 2000 Olympics. I also heard that in the 1974 "friendly"game that Australian player who got paralyzed broke the leg of a Uruguayan which caused excessive retaliation from the Uruguayans. How would you like it if people started referring to Australian history including the Cronulla Riots and the Aboriginal genocide and made negative generalisations based on the negative aspects and history of Australia? As for the Suarez handball, the Ghanaian free kick which led to the handball was not valid. Fucile did not touch the Ghanaian. He was not even close. And even when the handball happened, numerous Ghanaian players were already offside.

2014-06-29T22:10:16+00:00

Kasey

Guest


I'm sick of being told that we shouldn't dislike Uruguay. After Recoba's "Divine right to be in the World Cup Finals" prior to Nov 2005 and the way their FA tried to screw with us regarding kick-off times. I've carried a grudge against Uruguay for that country's Win at all costs mentality*. And yes I continue to hold that grudge today. Suarez's handball to deny Ghana in 2010 and the same players repeated biting infringements and the fact that the fans of the clubs he plays for continue to support him(rather than condemn) because he is supremely talented. What so because he scores goals, he can get away with being a complete prat? Nope, There's not much at a World Cup gives me the Shadenfreude of watching Uruguay cop the rough end of the pineapple. It is fitting that James Rodrguez's wonder strike which shows so much that is good bout the World Game was the highlight that continued to be replayed as the competitions pantomime villains were dispatched #Karmaisserved. ** I read a quote in a Guardian piece where the reporter was interviewing some in the crowd at Montevideo's airport while they waited for Suarez to return from Brazil. A 26yo Female Law Student said" if you have to fight to Win, you fight; if you have to bite to win, you bite"

2014-06-29T12:11:01+00:00

NUFCMVFC

Guest


Nice article I still remember some Aus journalists rubbish article about England fans at 2006, mocking them for their critique of the local policing methods and making out the English were hooligans but the English fans were actually right given the whole "pro-Dutch" ethos and "English is backward" perspective in the local football media, and the general rivalry with the English in the other major codes in Australia, it is actually forgotton at a lower level that there is a good relationship between the two fraternities at lower levels Not to mention the EPL is the main driver of people opening their minds up to football generally in this country, which then later articulates itself as openness to the Socceroos and A-League etc

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2014-06-29T09:25:50+00:00

dasilva

Roar Guru


In any case Uruguay are a great football nation. Which makes them such a worthy adversary and makes it such an achievement if Australia defeats them. Personally that Uruguay side was a stronger side than the Japan and Croatian side we face in the 2006 world cup as well as the Serbian team we face in 2010. That 1-0 victory over Uruguay at home to me easily outstripped every other victory we have in the World Cup and still is the number 1 moment in Aussie Football

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2014-06-29T09:23:02+00:00

dasilva

Roar Guru


Fair point If Australia doesn't have a rivalry with Uruguay and I do believe there is a lot to admire about Uruguay with their fighting spirit and how they punch above their own weight. The story of Maracanazo seems like the type of story that would resonant with Australan and their love for tales about fighting spirit and beating people above your own station. "The Brazilians had, after all, put seven past Sweden and six past Spain in their last two games. And there was high expectation that the hosts would do the same to Uruguay. That day’s Rio papers had printed a photo of the side with the headline “Today, Brazil wins the World Cup”. And, so intimidated was Uruguayan coach Juan Lopez that he instructed the team to play a defensive game and keep it as tight as possibly. But there was one exception to all of this anxiety. The captain Obdulio Varela. Earlier in the day, he had collected every one of those newspapers he could and got his teammates to urinate on them. And now, as soon as Lopez had left the room, Varela gathered the team together again. “Juan is a good man, but if we do defend then we will suffer the same fate of Sweden and Spain… Put that crowd out of your minds, don’t look up. The game is played down on the pitch.” Uruguay ended up winning the game 2-1 in one of the biggest upset and show the folly of hubris. In a way Brazil were in the position of "divine right' and Uruguay the plucky underdog

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2014-06-29T09:22:20+00:00

dasilva

Roar Guru


I believe it was Walter Olivera (if you look at the World cUp 1974 squad, Fernando Morena was listed there). Y here is an interesting retort from Uruguay after Australia media had a headline of "Animals" (which was when Farina was reported that they were being treated like animals) The AUSTRALIANS BROKE the LEG to HIM To " INDIAN " OLIVERA Who are the animals? The Australians To Olivera broke the leg in Melbourne. A version on happened in the airport of Carrasco and the form in which Australia treated to Uruguay in its visit to Melbourne, plus the happened thing in 1974 when they broke the leg to him to the "Indian " Olivera, must be considered at the time of judging the facts. For a time to this part the Uruguayan we have been wanting to be more realistic than the king and, in an attitude that deserves the psychological analysis, we assumed positions that are taken by an incredible desire of self-destruction of our race, our values and our national being. Ever since Australia arrived at our country, as a result of the attitude of some thirty inadaptados, from some authorities of the government and specially from certain part of the press, it has been encouraged and shown that voracity to punish with viciousness our own people. Let us go by parts. We did not justify, for nothing, the form in which came that group from fanatics who became presents in the airport and we condemned some excess that existed. But of sticking with the iron these fans there to him requesting little less than life imprisonment them and to leave to the hunting of witches of people in charge, it seems to us a barbarism. Because it really happened it is to tone with the situation that lives a part on our society and, nevertheless, for more or less similar situations we have not listened to the same reactions. Hardly 48 hours after the arrival of the Australians a group of Uruguayan carried out one more an action hard than the one of the some thirty that received to the kangaroos in the airport, making what they have been denominating " escrache " against exmilitar defendant to commit violation against the human rights for almost 30 years and the mass media have been only limited to inform into the situation - without adjectival use --, in as much the authorities of the government nothing says on the subject. Of course that we never have been of the side of the military who decided on the political surgery the 27 of June of 1973. It is more, it has exceeded tests of the persecution of which we were objective to maintain our democratic and nationalistic ideas political. Exactly, almost 30 years ago the Australians broke the leg to him to Uruguayan Walter Olivera in a tremendously violent party that gambled in Melbourne the 25 of April of 1974. The Australians already played with enormous violence when soccer and in a treacherous play they left to him in two his tool of work to that boy who was 20 years old. At that time, as any member of the Uruguayan press were not observing the party because that tour of the celestial ones by Asia - it played in Hong Kong, Indonesia and Australia-no covered in direct form (they were other times, also of economic crisis) the pages with our newspapers did not reflect the fact with the gravity that the same one had and the Australian newspapers of the time omitted them Olympically and nothing said of the subject. Hardly if they indicated the change: to the 43 minutes, Gustavo De Simone by Walter Olivera. The reality indicated that to the " Indian " it they had burst of a kick causing to him an injury that maintained nine months to it to the margin. Now, in occasion of the first party in Melbourne, the Australians, outside the field, also played their cards treating to remove extrasport advantages. They moved all the means of the power to prevent that Uruguay took the flight from return along with they to arrive at Uruguay, looking for that its arrival became by Los Angeles through a killing trip of 40 hours, instead of the 24 that consumed the other passage. Of this the Australian press present nothing said. It omitted it, because all the means of press of that country are aligned looking for that Australia arrives anyway at the world-wide one. As nothing said either, nor they spread, which said a great poster placed in the tribune by a group of austrlianos fans: " Muscat, rompé today a leg... " It is possible - although it is not justificatory a --, which this some thirty inadaptados Uruguayan which it concurred to the airport, was in knowledge of these things that happened in Melbourne and looked for to pay with the same currency. We insisted, once again, in which it stops nothing we are in agreement with the happened thing Of course, also, which in later newspapers of Australia to the party with France, where Muscat injured to Dugarry seriously, nothing expressed of the criminal attitude of this " killer " player who is not the first time that carries out plays of this type. In 1993 we were witnesses, in the party before world-wide Uruguay by the youthful one, of the enormous kick that Muscat beat to him to O´Neil, making unusable it throughout the party. Press of that country did Vista fat, because they have another mentality and another nationalistic spirit who gets them to try, always, to support to his sportsmen so that they obtain the success, without concerning means. We, who 36 years ago we walked by all the fields of the world and that we have seen of everything. We justified neither a thing (nor the attitude of the Uruguayan that was in the airport) nor the other (the form in which it treated to our country the Australian press as a result of the happened thing). But we have memory and we think that the truth is not necessary to say it by halves because, deforming it, is distorted and favored, lamentably, that sense of self-destruction of the Uruguayan soccer that, at the present time, seems to be the slogan of a few. Source unknown, Spanish article put though a translator " http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/Socceroo/reports/vURU2001o.html Yeah Australian weren't exactly innocent either which is why Uruguay and Australia shouldn't like each other on the football pitch

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2014-06-29T09:20:58+00:00

dasilva

Roar Guru


I believe it was Walter Olivera (if you look at the World cUp 1974 squad, Fernando Morena was listed there). Yeah it's all part of historical hivalry here is an interesting retort from Uruguay after Australia media had a headline of "Animals" (which was when Farina was reported that they were being treated like animals) The AUSTRALIANS BROKE the LEG to HIM To " INDIAN " OLIVERA Who are the animals? The Australians To Olivera broke the leg in Melbourne. A version on happened in the airport of Carrasco and the form in which Australia treated to Uruguay in its visit to Melbourne, plus the happened thing in 1974 when they broke the leg to him to the "Indian " Olivera, must be considered at the time of judging the facts. For a time to this part the Uruguayan we have been wanting to be more realistic than the king and, in an attitude that deserves the psychological analysis, we assumed positions that are taken by an incredible desire of self-destruction of our race, our values and our national being. Ever since Australia arrived at our country, as a result of the attitude of some thirty inadaptados, from some authorities of the government and specially from certain part of the press, it has been encouraged and shown that voracity to punish with viciousness our own people. Let us go by parts. We did not justify, for nothing, the form in which came that group from fanatics who became presents in the airport and we condemned some excess that existed. But of sticking with the iron these fans there to him requesting little less than life imprisonment them and to leave to the hunting of witches of people in charge, it seems to us a barbarism. Because it really happened it is to tone with the situation that lives a part on our society and, nevertheless, for more or less similar situations we have not listened to the same reactions. Hardly 48 hours after the arrival of the Australians a group of Uruguayan carried out one more an action hard than the one of the some thirty that received to the kangaroos in the airport, making what they have been denominating " escrache " against exmilitar defendant to commit violation against the human rights for almost 30 years and the mass media have been only limited to inform into the situation - without adjectival use --, in as much the authorities of the government nothing says on the subject. Of course that we never have been of the side of the military who decided on the political surgery the 27 of June of 1973. It is more, it has exceeded tests of the persecution of which we were objective to maintain our democratic and nationalistic ideas political. Exactly, almost 30 years ago the Australians broke the leg to him to Uruguayan Walter Olivera in a tremendously violent party that gambled in Melbourne the 25 of April of 1974. The Australians already played with enormous violence when soccer and in a treacherous play they left to him in two his tool of work to that boy who was 20 years old. At that time, as any member of the Uruguayan press were not observing the party because that tour of the celestial ones by Asia - it played in Hong Kong, Indonesia and Australia-no covered in direct form (they were other times, also of economic crisis) the pages with our newspapers did not reflect the fact with the gravity that the same one had and the Australian newspapers of the time omitted them Olympically and nothing said of the subject. Hardly if they indicated the change: to the 43 minutes, Gustavo De Simone by Walter Olivera. The reality indicated that to the " Indian " it they had burst of a kick causing to him an injury that maintained nine months to it to the margin. Now, in occasion of the first party in Melbourne, the Australians, outside the field, also played their cards treating to remove extrasport advantages. They moved all the means of the power to prevent that Uruguay took the flight from return along with they to arrive at Uruguay, looking for that its arrival became by Los Angeles through a killing trip of 40 hours, instead of the 24 that consumed the other passage. Of this the Australian press present nothing said. It omitted it, because all the means of press of that country are aligned looking for that Australia arrives anyway at the world-wide one. As nothing said either, nor they spread, which said a great poster placed in the tribune by a group of austrlianos fans: " Muscat, rompé today a leg... " It is possible - although it is not justificatory a --, which this some thirty inadaptados Uruguayan which it concurred to the airport, was in knowledge of these things that happened in Melbourne and looked for to pay with the same currency. We insisted, once again, in which it stops nothing we are in agreement with the happened thing Of course, also, which in later newspapers of Australia to the party with France, where Muscat injured to Dugarry seriously, nothing expressed of the criminal attitude of this " killer " player who is not the first time that carries out plays of this type. In 1993 we were witnesses, in the party before world-wide Uruguay by the youthful one, of the enormous kick that Muscat beat to him to O´Neil, making unusable it throughout the party. Press of that country did Vista fat, because they have another mentality and another nationalistic spirit who gets them to try, always, to support to his sportsmen so that they obtain the success, without concerning means. We, who 36 years ago we walked by all the fields of the world and that we have seen of everything. We justified neither a thing (nor the attitude of the Uruguayan that was in the airport) nor the other (the form in which it treated to our country the Australian press as a result of the happened thing). But we have memory and we think that the truth is not necessary to say it by halves because, deforming it, is distorted and favored, lamentably, that sense of self-destruction of the Uruguayan soccer that, at the present time, seems to be the slogan of a few. Source unknown, Spanish article put though a translator " http://www.ozfootball.net/ark/Socceroo/reports/vURU2001o.html

2014-06-29T08:56:19+00:00

nick

Guest


Probably worth mentioning that the attack on Baartz came as a retaliation for Baartz breaking the leg of Fernando Morena.

2014-06-29T05:20:06+00:00

Brick Tamland of the pants party

Guest


Yep im with you Dasilva, England doesn't even come close to the dislike I have for Uruguay.

2014-06-29T02:47:39+00:00

Steve Kerr

Roar Rookie


Yes, come on Adam, you use the internet at your own risk at these times! I won't forget Yahoo mail spoiling the Stanley Cup for me.........

2014-06-29T02:44:28+00:00

Anthony Ferguson

Guest


I was born in England but have lived in Oz most of my life, so I support both in every game they play. I must admit I'm not find of Uruguay for all the above named reasons, but then again they were excellent in the 2010 World Cup. One thing that does annoy me about Latin players in general is the gamesmanship, constant play acting or simulation. It's the one thing the haters have left to criticize our game. I think if FIFA made the refs crack down on it hard with yellow and red cards for trying it on twice, the game would be better for it. Apart from that most Latin players have great technique and are wonderful to watch.

2014-06-29T02:42:46+00:00

Steve Kerr

Roar Rookie


I've been thinking about this since the Uruguayan President weighed in on the matter (FIFA is prejudiced against South American countries, Suarez is a martyr etc.). Without minimizing the external problems the country may face, I just wonder if this attitude of 'cheating is noble if it benefits us and we turn a blind eye to any wrong-doing if it's convenient to do so' might be one of the things that keeps Uruguay from having 'half the standard of living Australia does'. Certainly projecting all your own faults onto 'foreigners' to avoid facing your own mistakes, and pretending cheating isn't going on seems like a neat little microcosm of bad governance and corruption.

2014-06-29T01:30:45+00:00

Griffo

Roar Guru


Completely agree. I can almost forgive Harry Kewell for going for Uruguay in the last match against Italy. After 2001, 2005 was so sweet on so many levels. One game too many for Uruguay in this World Cup.

2014-06-29T01:27:50+00:00

Tails Kev

Guest


Uruguay is a tiny country that doesn't have half the standard of living Australia does. I think they punch (and bite) above their weight even taking the Socceroos on, let alone the rest of the world.

2014-06-29T00:05:57+00:00

nickoldschool

Roar Guru


Well said Da Silva. Good to see what football knowledge does to supporters. There is hope!

2014-06-29T00:01:21+00:00

Jack

Guest


I was getting ready to disagree with this because I can't stand the premier league and their English fans in general, but all the points you make are pretty valid, and even though soccer isn't my main game, I got deep satisfaction watching the socceroos beat Uruguay after the way they'd carried on about us... To the point where their media said they would win because the had a "god given right to". The way they've carried on since the biting incident just confirms how badly they deserve to lose. So good news! England, Italy and Uruguay are all out :D.

2014-06-28T23:37:13+00:00

FTR

Guest


Superb article. A nice rejoinder to the boring routine Anglophobia that passes for wit in Australian sports journalism.

2014-06-28T22:53:42+00:00

Batou

Guest


Spot on dasilva. Suarez has been getting all the headlines recently but he's just a product of the win at all costs and get away with everything you can attitude that prevails in Uruguay. I also have an anyone ahead of Uruguay policy and I wasn't even aware of the Ray Baartz incident which was before my time. Unbelievable. I also would rather have seen England go through. I think ths that part of the reason the Australian press (and public) are so harsh on England is because it makes them feel better about our own position. Ie, we might not win this thing but England won't either. I think it comes more from the general sports types rather than football people too.

2014-06-28T22:36:48+00:00

Ben of Phnom Penh

Roar Guru


Though it may be advisable to avoid football sites discussing the World Cup until you've seen the replay :;

2014-06-28T22:32:03+00:00

Ben of Phnom Penh

Roar Guru


Fair enough, many apologies

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