The 2014 Melbourne Cup topweight conundrum

By Alfred Chan / Expert

It is seemingly impossible to win a Melbourne Cup with any more than 57kg, and 2014’s Melbourne Cup is unusual in that there there is no obvious topweight horse, and accordingly, no obvious favourite.

This is likely to deter international trainers from sending their horses, as handicaps will be less likely to be avoided. Carrying the top weight in the Melbourne Cup is usually an unwanted gift to any past winners.

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But last year’s winner, Fiorente, has been retired and the winner prior in 2012 Green Moon, has not won since that day. 2011 winner Dunaden has also been retired.

The dilemma has trainer Ed Dunlop reconsidering whether to send dual runner-up Red Cadeaux or not for a fourth crack at the $6.2million race. Having run second twice as well as running second in the Dubai World Cup and winning the Hong Kong Vase, there is a real possibility Red Cadeaux will be assigned top weight if he comes.

Under the rules of the Melbourne Cup, the highest handicapped horse in the final field must carry a minimum of 58kg.

Once the field of 24 is announced on the Saturday night before the Cup, if the highest rated horse has been weighted with any less than 58kg, weights for all acceptors will be increased by the amount required to have at least one runner in the field carrying 58kg.

In 2013, the topweight was Dunaden with 58.5kg and finished 11th.

In 2012, the topweight was Dunaden with 59kg and finished 14th.

In 2011, the topweight was Americain with 58kg and finished 4th.

In 2010, the topweight was Shocking with 57kg (minimum top weight rule amended since) and finished 18th.

The common trend is the top weight has been a past Melbourne Cup winner which has struggled after their initial win due to their big impost. For the Europeans, coming to Melbourne is a financial disaster unless their horse finishes in the top ten.

International trainers have caught onto how to win a Melbourne Cup. It doesn’t matter how good a horse is overseas because winning the Melbourne Cup isn’t about beating the other horses – it’s about beating the handicapper.

If a horse is not allocated a manageable weight, it virtually can’t win.

The past five winners have carried 55kg (Fiorente), 53.5kg (Green Moon), 54.5kg (Dunaden), 54.5kg (Americain) and 51kg (Shocking).

Because of this, international trainers now prepare Melbourne Cup campaigns for their horses a year in advance. If their horse is Melbourne-bound, they avoid any race which may carry a weight penalty once they are confident of getting a start in the world’s richest handicap race.

It is a tactic which worked well for Americain and Dunaden’s trainers, but backfired for others.

Last year, John Gosden sent Gatewood to Melbourne for a Cup tilt but was on the edge of the field when he arrived. He subsequently won the Geelong Cup and got a weight penalty but was still on the edge of the field courtesy of a low weight.

Gatewood ultimately failed to make the final field but was a very capable horse.

Since returning to England, Gatewood has had five starts for three wins and two seconds which highlights the danger involved when taking on the Melbourne Cup handicapper with a good horse.

Aidan O’Brien has not had a Melbourne Cup runner in six years since he wised up to how difficult the race was to win. Sending his top horses year after year proved an epic failure when their large imposts left them flatfooted.

Weight stops trains and O’Brien found out the hard way when Septimus finished 18th in 2008.

It seems he may have figured out the quirks of the Cup during his six-year exile from Melbourne. He has nominated two horses for the Caulfield Cup, three for the Cox Plate of which he has already confirmed one starter – Adelaide – for the Cox Plate.

This renewed interest in the Melbourne Carnival may prompt significant O’Brien nominations for the Melbourne Cup when they are made on September 2.

While O’Brien rues being assigned top weight in the Cup, there is a loophole for he and other large stables to potentially exploit.

The only way a stable can assure a horse will not carry the top weight is to accept with something else that does.

This tactic could definitely be applied by O’Brien if he knows he has a horse lower in the weights capable of winning at the lower weight. By accepting with the top weight, he can maximise the chances of his horse lower in the weights and cheer home his topweight at $101 odds.

Lloyd Williams is another who could apply this tactic if Green Moon were to get a big weight again.

The Victorian Racing Club could potentially avoid the topweight dilemma by removing the top weight clause.

The only issue here would be a logjam of horses in the 52kg – 54kg range, which several leading jockeys cannot ride at given their size. The counterargument to that would be for horses to carry additional weight if they want a certain rider on their horse.

Locally, Green Moon is the only horse capable of being assigned the top weight but with no wins and no real form since his Cup triumph in 2012, it is unlikely he will get more than 57kg after carrying 57.5kg last year and performing poorly since.

There is no certainty we will have a top weight issue this year but it is looming as a possibility and one which trainers should consider when making Melbourne Cup nominations. A lack of local talent and a better understanding among international trainers about how to beat the handicapper may result in weights being raised when final declarations are made.

Nominations for the 2014 Melbourne Cup will be made on September 2 and weights will be released on September 16.

The Crowd Says:

2014-08-28T23:11:45+00:00

colin Smee

Guest


Yes I am disappointed that Usain Bolt hasn't had a crack at a Marathon - I guess sprinters sprint - Black Caviar was a sprinter wasn't she ?

2014-08-28T09:22:27+00:00

BrisburghPhil

Roar Guru


Nice article Alfred. Another factor for overseas trainers to consider is that we still only have 1 International runner that has won the race without a start here. That was Vintage Crop and he may well have been aided by a wet track that year along with the fact that he probably got in a bit light, weight wise. Not sure why the Geelong Cup has dropped away the past 2 years. It was THE race to be in particularly if you were ain International horse looking for the right preparation.

2014-08-27T14:47:17+00:00

peeeko

Roar Guru


Great read Alfred, exciting time of year for race lovers

2014-08-27T14:45:40+00:00

peeeko

Roar Guru


great story there Sheek, the Diva was absolutely gifted with that weight. also important is that the bottom weights carried a lot less back in those days.

AUTHOR

2014-08-27T11:12:36+00:00

Alfred Chan

Expert


Yes, this was the main reason he has not returned but for him to react the way he did says a lot about his character. I'm sure he has learnt a lot more about Australian racing since that day which is why I would expect he has a much better understanding of what it takes to win. If he has the right horse but that horse has its best chance of winning with a pacemaker, I would expect him to employ the exact same tactics again. If Australian racing so badly wants the internationals to come, then we have to accept their racing tactics that come with them.

2014-08-27T10:44:27+00:00

johnny nevin is a legend

Guest


Alfred I reckon why O'Brien stayed away so long was due to his perceived unfair treatment by stewards after the cup in 2008. I remember they questioned his race tactics of using a pacemaker, a legimitate tactic back in Europe but frowned upon in Australia. Especially in the Melbourne Cup where it is believed that every horse entered should aim to win. A clash of racing cultures.

2014-08-27T04:11:17+00:00

Brent Ford

Roar Guru


That's some excellent information Sheek! I'm intrigued by the Black Caviar comparison with Wakeful!

2014-08-27T01:01:05+00:00

Andrew C (waikato)

Guest


Sheek, my memory zeros in on RAIN LOVER , esp his 2nd winning turn carrying a huge impost...............he won in 1968 (my last year at school) carrying 8.2 and won by 8 lengths in 3.19,1 (being a kiwi, i backed 3rd horse Fans). Next year, Rain Lover carried 9.7 to a head victory in 3.21.5 over Alsop who carried sweet bugger all in 7.0 ........ my Kiwi horse Ben Lomond got 3rd . Rain Lover was a Ribot line horse , strong, very fast stayer. Of course, 1969 was famous too for the shock withdrawal 40 mins before race start time of Big Philou who was 'got at' / nobbled. I loved Rain Lover's pedigree. He was an entire who stood at stud (Sth Aust from memory) and left his share of Grp winners though nothing approaching his own ability.

AUTHOR

2014-08-27T00:10:17+00:00

Alfred Chan

Expert


Bande's biggest win to date is only at Listed level. He has run third in a Group 1 and third in a Group 2 but those will not affect his rating too much. I suspect he will get in very well at the weights around the 52.5 - 53.5kg region.

2014-08-26T23:56:15+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


Hi Alfred, I don't understand the dumbing down of weights anymore in handicap races. We're supposed to believe that horses, like humans, are bigger, stronger, faster, better fed, healthier, better prepared & trained, racing on superior surfaces than their forebears. Yet they carry lesser weights at the top end of the scale????? As a young kid, very young kid (age 11), I thrilled on a memorable weekend in Easter 1967, witnessing Tobin Bronze win the Doncaster Hcp with 9.5 (59.5 kgs) & two days later Galilee winning the Sydney Cup with 9.7 (60.5 kgs). Later that spring, Tobin Bronze won the Caulfield Cup with 9.10 (61.5 kgs) before the courageous Galilee became the last horse to race in the Melbourne Cup with more than 10 st (63.5 kgs) carrying 10.1 (64 kgs) into 8th place in the 1968 edition after being trampled on during the race. It was evident when Kingston Town finished second with 59 kgs (9.4) in the 1982 Melbourne Cup that weights were already being dumbed down. Makybe Diva "only" carried 58 kgs (9.2) to win her third Melbourne Cup in 2005. Talk about gifting a horse a win! Yet the mighty Wakeful had to lump 10 st (63.5 kgs) into second place in the 1903 Melbourne Cup. I reckon I know which was the superior mare. It's also a reason why I don't rate Black Caviar as highly as many people. Her races were too well staged managed in distance & type. She was rarely asked to extend her capabilities in distance or weight carrying. All for the purposes of protecting an unbeaten record at stud.

2014-08-26T23:50:52+00:00

Scuba

Guest


Can those more familiar with the weighting system have a guess at the weight Bande is likely to get? He's my early tip. Did note the Williams horse that ran 3rd in the last on Saturday halved its quote too.

2014-08-26T23:06:42+00:00

Mitch

Guest


I suspect The Offer will get about 55kg when the weights come out. While he won the Sydney Cup, he also win the Chairman's Handicap (G2) and Manion Cup (G3). He won all of them very convincingly which is something past Sydney Cup winners did not do. If he gets into the Melbourne Cup with 53.5kg, he simply wins. That won't happen though. I'll be very surprised if he gets anything under 55kg because he has a rating of 112. Fiorente carried 55kg with a rating of 113 in last year's Cup.

2014-08-26T22:35:31+00:00

Brent Ford

Roar Guru


That would make it a very likely chance in the race! Tommy Berry on board, it would be the feel good moment of the spring.

2014-08-26T22:34:37+00:00

Brent Ford

Roar Guru


This is why we don't see trainers trying to get their horses to win a double because there is a harsh penalty that comes with it. There are a few horses I'm keen on but it's hard to say they will be chances if you don't know how much they are going to carry in the Cup.

AUTHOR

2014-08-26T22:34:20+00:00

Alfred Chan

Expert


The Sydney Cup has never been viewed as a strong form race for Melbourne Cup weights. Mourayan won in 2013 and went to the Melbourne Cup with 54.5kg and Niwot won in 2012 and went to the Melbourne Cup with 53.5kg.

2014-08-26T21:30:15+00:00

SpearTackle

Roar Rookie


What about The Offer? The Sydney Cup win should carry a pretty hefty weight penalty from it.

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