Should injuring a player result in a stiffer penalty?

By Kia Kaha / Roar Guru

I had a teacher who had an irrational revulsion towards sneezing. People who sneezed in his class were given detention. Of course, that just encouraged us to try and induce a sneeze from some poor unsuspecting soul.

I eagerly took up this challenge one day when my friend cupped a fart in his hand and pressed it to my face (a technique as brutally effective as it is disgusting).

I brooded and plotted until I came up with the perfect plan. I emptied a sachet of pepper into my hand in the aforementioned teacher’s class and then proceeded to shove it up the nostrils of my friend as the teacher was writing on the whiteboard.

This induced a Guinness Book of Records sneezing fit and the teacher, horrified at this potential purveyor of the plague, threatened my friend with a month’s worth of detention if he did not stop. Of course he was no more able to stop sneezing as I was unable to suppress my crippling laughter from behind my raised desk. He got a month’s worth of detention and I got my retribution.

However, when this strategy was repeated by another classmate one day, the intended victim rocked back in his chair to avoid the pepper and promptly fell backwards. We’ve all heard the horror stories but thankfully this freak accident was limited to only minor back pain for that day.

The sneezing was forgotten and the culprit who had caused the other boy to fall was punished severely. There was zero tolerance of pushing people off their chairs due to the known risks.

Within a rugby game, there are similar tales of one-upmanship that players either get away with or get the book thrown at them. Much can depend on what the referee sees or what he feels he is trying to protect against. However, every so often serious injury results.

So should a harder line be taken with a player who causes injury to another player? Or should equally hard action be taken to a player that puts a player potentially at risk to deter other players from doing something similar?

In this weekend’s Six Nations match between Ireland and France, Pascal Pape – after much deliberation with the TMO – was yellow-carded by Wayne Barnes for a knee to Jamie Heaslip.

You can argue whether it was intentional or not but my problem with Barnes’ ruling was that if he viewed the incident as deliberate, why did he only receive a yellow card? What did Pape have to do to warrant a red card?

Heaslip is likely to miss the rest of the Six Nations with suspected broken vertebrae in his lower back. Does Heaslip’s injury mean Pape’s post-match citing will result in a stiffer penalty? He didn’t receive a red card but should he be suspended for at least as much as Heaslip is out of action?

We all want consistency and we all know how difficult the referee’s job is. There must be tremendous pressure not to spoil a game by sending off a player for the wrong reason – just ask our resident South African Roarers on their opinion of some recent questionable yellow cards for their players.

The law of precedence makes for an impossible task to draw black and white lines when cases come up. Consider the 2011 final between France and New Zealand. Richie McCaw joined a ruck to clean out Thierry Dusatoir and Morgan Parra seemed to lift his head at an inopportune moment. McCaw connected with his arm and knee to Parra’s head and soon after Parra was taken off. Crucial missed penalty kicks proved the difference that day.

Cue the conspiracy comments and favouritism towards McCaw – where would we all be without controversy – but it may cross Pape’s lawyers’ minds to review that footage to present a case for their own player.

In the interests of balance, Aurelien Rougerie was not cited in that match either for some questionable raking of McCaw’s eyes. The problem is the more these types of incidents go unpunished or do not even get a hearing, the more likely similar incidents will be ignored.

Consider the player who was made an example of by the referee. Alain Rolland deemed that Sam Warburton made a dangerous tip tackle against France early on in the semi-final of the 2011 World Cup. Warburton lifted Vincent Clerc beyond the horizontal and let him go. Clerc was able to play on, but Warburton was not only given his marching orders but also handed a three-week suspension after the game.

Rolland was right in his ruling but how many similar tackles have gone unpunished? Was the red card not enough or was this a legitimate warning message?

Bismarck du Plessis dislocated Dan Carter’s shoulder in a legitimate tackle and had the red card removed from his disciplinary record. His elbow to Liam Messam was deemed reckless but not so the injury to Carter. A hearing did not take any sympathy with John Smit, though, who was sent off for a similar elbow to the French captain Jérôme Thion in the Stade de France in 2005 and suspended for six weeks thereafter.

Jared Payne not only suffered the ignominy of a red card for taking out Alex Goode in mid-air in the Ulster vs Saracens Heinken Cup quarter final, he was also banned for two weeks even though he probably came off a lot worse than Goode. The hearing ruled that he had not taken sufficient precaution to protect the interests of another player. It seems that if you’re in mid-air, your rights have a higher priority than those on the ground.

I understand why this is the case, as aerial falls can be extremely dangerous, but if a player’s eyes are on the ball, it does seem too much to ask players to also keep an eye on other players.

Moreover, I certainly hope that we don’t get to the stage where rugby players become like football players and feign injury. Already we can point to unsavoury examples of this and such play-acting should receive the stiffest of penalties in order to stamp this ugliness well and truly out of the game.

However, I wonder what criteria the citing commissioners base their decisions on when they review dangerous incidents. Should an injury to a player reflect on the sanction handed out to the offending player? Or should the gravity of the incident be the only relevant factor as injury can occur from perfectly legal play?

The Crowd Says:

AUTHOR

2015-02-22T08:25:31+00:00

Kia Kaha

Roar Guru


Haha nice one Sheek. Couldn't agree more.

2015-02-20T21:47:43+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


Kia, Good article. We see it all the time, whereby the authorities wait to see the severity of the injury before handing down sentence. It amazes me how we continually get it wrong. The idea is to penalise the potential severity of injury, not meat out so called justice according to the severity of the injury. We see players come up with excuses all the time - It was accidental, it was careless, it was this, it was something else. Players will walk the fine line of fair/dirty play hoping they will be given the benefit of the doubt. They shouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt. There are some things you simply don't do. And if you transgress, you cop the fallout. If you jump into the air chasing the ball on a follow through & your knee connects with someone else's head, you should know you will be dealt with, accidental or not. It doesn't matter. Discipline, both team & individual, is essential in sport. If you can't keep your knee away from someone's face, unless in the most freakish of circumstances, then you deserve to be dealt with. Unfortunately, we rely on common practical sense in too many instances. And as we know, the ironic thing about common sense is how uncommon it actually is. That's my rant!

2015-02-19T05:25:44+00:00

44bottles

Roar Guru


Oh Harry, you and your silly little innuendos.

2015-02-18T13:20:38+00:00

RobC

Roar Guru


hahaha! yes, the good old scrum ref. Actually generally speaking the current system is ok imo. We just need a ref on the other side closer to the action. Ive done an analysis of a game in the 70s. You know the gold old days?: - Scrums and scrum reffing in those days were as bad then as now. - The only exception was the dark days of 2007 to 2013, which was a nightmare. Rucks, I think the Varsity system has been successful. Special attention should be on offside, recycle. And clearer communication with the player, as opposed to pinging: - One radical idea is physical contact or close proximity ie tapping. - Some refs do this during mauls to great effect. - This is similar to the snap ref in NFL aka umpire

AUTHOR

2015-02-18T12:13:41+00:00

Kia Kaha

Roar Guru


A scrum ref is often talked about. Preferably somebody who has experience of being in one. That could go either way though. The I know everything so don't try to pull the wool over my eye ref but didn't see what really happened is a distinct possibility. As it stands, I think a slow-mo replay of a ruck could bring about a penalty on both sides. Do we really want an army of refs stopping play justifying their presence on the field? That would be my concern. But I support the All Blacks so I would say that. ;)

2015-02-18T11:37:12+00:00

RobC

Roar Guru


I believe, KK. NFL and Varsity seem to point to more refs, not less. I reckon would be implement the German way: 'division of labour' :D - Varsity, two refs. one blind chap officiates left side of field. The other blind chap does the other - NFL: the boss, the 'snap' ref, kicker ref, 4 x offside offside interference refs / touchies (1 pair for runners, 1 pair for catchers) They all have zones to look after. For pro Rugby, I reckon it should Varsity + 1, to help with rucks, recycle, offside and action just wide off the ruck

2015-02-18T11:06:32+00:00

Sean Turner

Roar Guru


That's alarmingly true. My best friend has gone from the pen to the highlighter this last year.

AUTHOR

2015-02-18T10:11:04+00:00

Kia Kaha

Roar Guru


So all players lying over the ball on their goal line deliberately killing the ball deserve foul play enacted against them in your view? By all means you can question that particular play by McCaw and argue that he deserved a yellow and that Mealamu should've also got a yellow for an uppercut as a retaliatory shot on Heaslip but foul play on an infringing player is never a justification because I can assure you the list of players doing these kinds of plays is infinitely longer than one Richie McCaw.

2015-02-18T06:41:07+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


Well in that case I'd say he did. But let's be serious, foul play rightly supersedes slowing down the ball.

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2015-02-18T05:36:09+00:00

Kia Kaha

Roar Guru


Cheers RobC. I wonder though if too many cooks spoil the broth could be applied to having too many refs in a game. Sometimes we do not welcome the intrusion of the touch judges (their lack of intrusion is galling admittedly at times) but if we had 10 people out there watching the game, would we ever get a passage of play more than two phases? I do agree that it's too much to ask of the ref the way it is now. My worry is that many refs makes for many breaks.

AUTHOR

2015-02-18T05:32:56+00:00

Kia Kaha

Roar Guru


You lawyers. Nothing up there. It's all in your books. ;)

AUTHOR

2015-02-18T05:30:42+00:00

Kia Kaha

Roar Guru


:) Good on ya mate!

AUTHOR

2015-02-18T05:29:24+00:00

Kia Kaha

Roar Guru


Two wrongs don't make a right but when it comes to McCaw he often has it coming in your opinion. No means no.

2015-02-18T04:42:00+00:00

Rebel

Guest


Different type of Rebel mate, although Timani covers both. I'm a Chiefs man, hopefully you get to spurn me a couple of times later this season.

2015-02-18T04:08:31+00:00

RobC

Roar Guru


Gday KK, thanks for a good topic and write up. I believe in general, there needs to be more referees in a game. There's too many things going on for one ref to get critical decisions right. SA' Varsity added one more to improve quality. I believe it works. imo they need at least two more. NFL has nine. There seem to be inconsistencies too, by judiciaries as you pointed out. Some decisions seem opaque, though some seem ok. I wonder what that is.... then I forget about it. Its really beyond me.

2015-02-18T00:34:50+00:00

Sean Turner

Roar Guru


I remember reading about a tort law case very much like that, can't remember the name off the top of my head, but the general principle was if an injury occurs outside the laws of the game and certain standards are met, then a case can be brought forward. WIsh i could remember the procedure, but they do treat cases differently if they occur in a consensual realm where individuals are aware injury can occur as a result of the game.

2015-02-17T22:40:56+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


Yeah but it was McCaw. Likely had it coming. Should have been reduced to a yellow on that basis. Pretty sure he was on the wrong side of the ruck at that time, on the try line. Two wrongs don't make a right, but the second isn't possible without the first.

2015-02-17T22:39:49+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


Yeah that's exactly my point. Why should the other player get off more lightly because their foul play was less effective? It's not that I disagree so much with penalizing player's for causing injury, more so that it implies that if you don't injure a player, you are due a lesser suspension, regardless of your actions.

2015-02-17T20:21:40+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


This is going in a whole another direction. Hard questions guys

AUTHOR

2015-02-17T16:25:22+00:00

Kia Kaha

Roar Guru


Never go to bed with a stiff meneer unless you plan on using it...

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