Is Mick Malthouse the greatest ever coach?

By Sean Lee / Expert

Some people have been suggesting Mick Malthouse is the greatest coach of all time, and if longevity is the measure you use to quantify greatness then they might have a point.

The current Carlton leader will break Collingwood legend Jock McHale’s long-standing coaching endurance record of 714 games in Round 5 of the coming season.

(There is some conjecture about the number of games McHale coached. He was ill the day the Magpies won their record fourth premiership in a row in 1930, but has recently been credited with the game. Most record books will show that he coached 713 games.)

But that record alone can’t make Malthouse the greatest. Surely more has to be taken into account than mere time spent in the game?

Premierships for instance. As a coach, Mick has three of them, but only one in the last 20 years. McHale, who had some brilliant players at his disposal, won seven, including a hat trick of victories in the late ’20s. McHale’s only rival in the premiership stakes is legendary Melbourne figure Norm Smith, who coached the Demons to six premierships, including a stunning run of five flags in six years towards the end of the 1950s.

While it might be said that McHale and Smith were lucky to be at their respective clubs throughout a truly golden era, we must not underestimate the influence they had on their players and the winning culture that they not only cultivated, but sustained across a long period of time.

The mists of time may be beginning to obscure the exploits of these fine leaders, but their records should speak for themselves.

The great coaches who come quickly to my mind though are the thinkers, those fantastic innovators who actually changed the way the game was played.

Men like John Kennedy Senior. If anyone built a club, it was him.

Not only did he guide Hawthorn from the wilderness to win their first premiership in 1961, but laid the foundations for them becoming the superpower that they are today.

Kennedy took a new approach to training, pushing his players harder physically than any coach had probably pushed any team up until that time. The Hawks became known as ‘Kennedy’s Commandos’ and while the tough training regime increased their fitness, it also bonded the players.

Pre-seasons would never be the same again!

In all the Hawks would win three premierships under Kennedy and go on to become one of the most successful sides of the modern era.

Kennedy handed over the reins of his beloved Hawthorn to the equally innovative David Parkin, who took a more scientific approach to player preparation. He would eventually win four premierships as a coach: one with Hawthorn and three with Carlton.

Ron Barassi was another who left an indelible mark upon the game, changing it forever by introducing a play-on-at-all-costs approach during the 1970 grand final. He took the humble hand pass and transformed it from a second-rate skill used only as a last resort into a first-rate lethal weapon that, with fast and well executed play, could bamboozle the opposition.

In essence he fast tracked the running, play-on type of game that has morphed into modern football.

His fire and brimstone approach to coaching may not have worked on today’s pampered players, but two premierships each at both Carlton and North Melbourne proved his worth as a motivator and tactician.

Another coach who experienced success by daring to look beyond the time honoured traditions of the game was Kevin Sheedy. The key to his early success at Essendon was versatility.

The 1984 premiership was won with a bunch of key position players who were expected to perform no matter where they were placed on the field. Backs became forwards and forwards became backs, not from week to week, but often from quarter to quarter! Players like Paul Vanderhaar, Roger Merrett, Terry Daniher, Paul Weston and Billy Duckworth could be called upon to rotate through any of the key positions at a moment’s notice.

It doesn’t sound so strange now, but back then (with one or two exceptions) footy was pretty much the realm of the one-position player. Sheeds quickly made them an endangered species.

Another coach I rate right up there among the greatest is Tom Hafey. While he may not have been as innovative as those already mentioned, his ability to get the most from his players leaves him as one of the best ‘managers of men’ that the game has seen.

He won his premierships early in his coaching career – four with a super-talented Richmond team which he galvanised into a tight, spirited group, fostering an ‘us versus them’ mentality as he went.

His record at Collingwood, despite not winning a flag, was quite spectacular. First he took the Magpies from last place to grand finalists within one year. He then kept them in the grand final for all bar one of his five full years coaching the club.

In two of those finals the Pies squandered what probably should have been match-winning leads. Not surprisingly criticism was directed Hafey’s way, but really, if it was not for his magic of getting the players to play ‘above themselves’, they may not have even been there in the first place.

Allan Jeans and Leigh Matthews were also great managers of men, being able to blend squads of enormous egos into near invincible units for sustained periods of time. Jeans’ record at Hawthorn may have been even greater if not for time spent away from the club due to health issues.

Of course we all remember Jeans as Hawthorn coach throughout the 1980s and Matthews as head of the Brisbane juggernaut of the early 2000s, but it must not be forgotten that both men also broke the premiership drought of lesser teams – Jeans at St Kilda in 1966 (their first), and Matthews at Collingwood in 1990 (their first for over 30 years).

It is impossible to rate these coaches in any sort of order – although my leaning is towards having Barassi as number one – but each shaped the game in his own way, refined it, and left it slightly different to how it was before.

Malthouse has stood the test of time, and if his pre-season prediction of his current team Carlton not losing a game this year proves to be true, he may yet become the greatest coach ever.

But as it stands, the men that I have mentioned here must be placed ahead of him.

The Crowd Says:

2015-03-28T14:08:48+00:00

Me Too

Guest


really? i don't think you bothered to even look - in fact you obviously didn't. it's in the public record about the allegations of hgh and hird believed a few clubs were using them, based on 'advice' from robinson and dank. but if you can't be bothered looking (why even comment then?) here you go. http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dank-used-pies-as-bait-for-bombers-peptides-program-key-witness-20130801-2r2ax.html http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/james-hird-allegedly-believed-collingwood-hawthorn-and-west-coast-were-pushing-the-boundaries/story-fni5f6kv-1226688416519 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-31/texts-reveal-hird-was-central-to-essendon-supplements-program/4854868

2015-03-28T06:02:24+00:00

Graeme

Guest


You've got to be kidding. With the Eagles alone,he should've won more premierships with what he had. His time now has passed and with a bit of luck he will soon retire or be sacked so we don't have to put up with his arrogance.

2015-03-28T00:31:11+00:00

Jack

Guest


No (I am a blues fan)

2015-03-27T15:06:01+00:00

Ben

Guest


Fair enough AB you make a good case for Malcolm Blight so... John Cahill and Malcolm Blight are the ones at the top for me.

2015-03-27T13:07:20+00:00

AB

Guest


Malcolm Blight needs to be up there as well. Took both Geelong and Adelaide from middling sides to Grand Finalists in a single season. Total of five Grand Finals in nine years as coach of those two clubs; neither of which looked anywhere near capable of reaching a GF until Blight arrived. He's almost the anti-Malthouse, i.e. achieves outstanding results in a very short time, then quits. Whereas Malthouse (like Sheedy) hangs around for decades and picks up the odd flag here and there when blessed with an outstanding list. But Blight's most amazing result as a coach was with Woodville in the SANFL in the mid-80s. They were an utter joke - perennial wooden spooners who would lose by 10 goals to the next-worst team, and routinely get flogged by 100+ points by the top teams. There was even talk about throwing them out of the SANFL, they were so bad. Then Blight became non-playing coach and suddenly - literally within a few weeks - Woodville was not just winning, but smashing even the top teams. And this was at a time when the top teams in the SANFL were seriously good. Blight took Woodville from wooden spooners to a Preliminary Final in his first season; then after a couple of seasons when they just missed making the Grand Final, he famously quit halfway through losing another Preliminary Final. Got in his car and drove home. I've always thought that if you wanted to make a dramatic movie about Australian football, you'd set it around Blight's amazing, incredible, turbulent revival of Woodville in the 1980s. I've never seen anything like it in any sport.

2015-03-27T10:39:31+00:00

Gecko

Guest


Hafey coached Mick Malthouse and I think Mick ended up being a similar coach. Great communicator and inspired loyalty, though not reknowned as being a game-day strategist. I don't think Eade and Lyon belong in the upper echelon yet but they've each, in my opinion, gotten the best out of the two teams they've coached. With Dockers a serious contender in 2015 and Suns a likely contender in 2017, each could even still end up with a premiership. Hard to compare modern era coaches with past coaches, especially when the actual number of teams in the competition nowadays makes it harder to win a premiership. Of the modern ones, Clarko and Bomber Thomson would be up there but I'd rank Malthouse their equal because he's done it with two different clubs.

2015-03-27T06:55:08+00:00

Ben

Guest


John Cahill - 624 (409-208-7) 65.54% 10 Premierships from 11 Grand Finals Coached Collingwood for 2 Season and took them from 10th (3rd bottom) to 3rd Coached Port Adelaide AFL Side for first two seasons and won 23 games when everyone said they wouldn't win any. Missed finals in first season by percentage. Legend!!

2015-03-27T00:04:28+00:00

GD66

Guest


Re headline : Yes, in what's left of his mind...

2015-03-26T22:54:41+00:00

Wilson

Roar Guru


I think he has to be classed as one of the Great Coach of the Game along with the other you only have to look at this record as a Coach West Coast Eagles never missed the final Series in his time as coach. Then he took the Magpie from last to the Grand Final in 3 years. Then Rebuild a team to win the Grand final in 2010. Now at Carlton if he can get them in to the 8 and at least in to the quarter finals I think he has to be class one of the Best.

2015-03-26T12:36:56+00:00

Smokey

Guest


3 Premierships in 736 games? What do you think?

2015-03-26T12:23:10+00:00

Josh

Expert


Probably not, no, though he'd crack the top 10 which is by no means an easy feat. I think Mick may have "jumped the shark" so to speak with the Carlton job - he hasn't had much luck with getting the Blues to perform and has become an increasingly prickly media presence. If he retires without success this year, or worse, gets moved on, then it will probably leave a sour taste in the mouths of many, which would be shame because Mick's excellent career at the Eagles and Pies (not so much the Bulldogs) should never be soured.

2015-03-26T10:12:53+00:00

Richard

Guest


Just re-read the article again Sean, great article and discussion piece so thanks for posting. I suppose the fact that the competition has evolved so much over time precludes naming a coach as the greatest coach. As an aside, I would love to know who has coached the least games with success? Cheers

2015-03-26T07:41:49+00:00

Tanami Mehmet

Guest


These questions are always answered from an individuals perspective. I'd say there's a few better coaches but if we asked Mick Malthouse I'm certain he'd have a different answer.

2015-03-26T06:58:34+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


Lyon, Connolly, Drum, Neesham, Harvey

2015-03-26T06:55:43+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


No

2015-03-26T06:20:35+00:00

conchie

Roar Rookie


McHale. Malthouse has re invented himself but McHale coached at the same club for 40 years, what is harder ?.

2015-03-26T05:35:40+00:00

Gecko

Guest


Couldn't find anything. I love a good conspiracy theory but if you can't be specific, you're just a rumour mongerer.

2015-03-26T05:31:32+00:00

Lroy

Guest


Mick was probably unlucky to come up against the Lions when he did.. if not for their COLA he might have another couple of flags under his belt. Clarkson is probably going to be up there at some point as well. So I guess at the end of the day your name is being mentioned in comparison to all those other great coaches, you must have done something right. ;-) Anyone know who has the most flags as a player and coach combined? My bet would be Leigh Mathews.. might be an interesting trivia question ;-)

AUTHOR

2015-03-26T02:15:13+00:00

Sean Lee

Expert


Agreed. If we look at most successful then it has to be McHale. And he may also be the greatest, but it is hard to look so far back in time. Obviously he had a huge influence, though. Polly Farmer used the handball with deadly effect, no arguments from me there, but it was Barassi who took it to the next level, using it as a team tactic and coupling it with fast, run-on type play. Farmer's influence on the game as a player is indelible and he also contributed to the way the game is played today. He is one of the giants of the sport.

AUTHOR

2015-03-26T02:08:33+00:00

Sean Lee

Expert


Thanks JJ. Yep, no doubting that he is a great coach and to stand the test of time as he has proves that he must be doing something right. Rather than using the marathon/one miler comparison I prefer to look at it this way - Dustin Fletcher has played the game for a million years and won a couple of flags, but that doesn't automatically place him in the top ten footballers of all time. Agree on Clarkson. He is compiling a very impressive palmares!

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