The Roar’s AFL expert tips and predictions: Round 17

By The Roar / Editor

The fight for a spot inside the top eight is heating up, but in Round 17 it will be two clashes between teams currently inside the top five that will be the most telling on key finals positioning.

Once again, The Roar‘s panel of expert tipsters are back with their tips and predictions for Round 17.

Hawthorn have well and truly stamped their authority as premiership favourites, but who will be there to challenge come September? We’ll get a better idea of the key contenders once we see West Coast face Sydney and Fremantle travel to do battle with the Tigers.

Our experts are backing the favourites, but let us know what you think in the comments below.

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Ryan Buckland
Hawthorn, GWS, Adelaide, Fremantle, Port Adelaide, North Melbourne, Dogs, Saints, West Coast

Last week was a bit of a risk-taking disaster in the end, but fear not! There’s still some volatility to exploit in Round 17 for those of you (not me, obviously) that need to pick up a few tips in the remaining seven rounds to get yourself into contention.

Friday night is not one of those games. This one has Wayward Pines reckoning written all over it. Come back tomorrow for an extended take.

The early game is a really interesting affair. The Giants continue to defy most mid-season predictions – including my own – in remaining well in the hunt for the eight. As are the Cats, which is more of a shock to me. It’s a measure of how close the middle class of this season is that a team sitting on seven and a half wins with seven games remaining has a very strong chance of missing the finals.

Anyway back to this game, the Cats got one over the Dogs last weekend despite missing their lone pass mark player, Joel Selwood. The Giants ended up getting the job done against the Suns, but it took more effort than they would have liked as a result of terrible scoring accuracy. To be honest I’m struggling to split this one, so I’ll back the home team. Wait, it’s in Canberra? Nah, I’ll stay with the Giants.

Adelaide are scoring close to 100 points per game at the Adelaide Oval this year, and have moved into being the third best offensive side in the league after last weekend’s Game of the Year contender. The Suns look a different side with their best player – funny that. Gary Ablett Jnr’s shoulder got a good test last weekend, with his laying of 17 goddamn tackles. That’s one almost every three minutes of game time. One area the Suns haven’t improved is defensively, so Adelaide should have little trouble here.

Richmond and Fremantle is another one of those games you can make a case for either side. The Tigers blitzed the Dockers in the first leg of this battle earlier in the year, with Fremantle ending up the victor over the remaining three quarters. Both teams have seemingly put defence first, although as I wrote earlier in the week Ballantyne’s absence in Fremantle’s forward line might give them a bit of a boost. I’m expecting a relatively low scoring affair here, which seems to be Fremantle’s speciality recently. So I’ll go with the Dockers. But Richmond are in it for sure, and could give their top four chances a boost with victory here.

Ugh, the Power and Bombers. Before the season this one probably had battle for the top four written all over it. Now it’s a game neither side probably wants to win particularly desperately, given the implications on draft order. Paddy Ryder plays his first game against his old side, and “boy oh boy wowee” BT will let us know all about it. The pick? Port have been slightly less awful in recent weeks, so go with them.

Can you spell Danger Game? That’s what this is for the ‘Roos, who completely ballsed up their last trip to Queensland to face a straggler. It’s Brent Harvey’s 400th game, which will give the side some added motivation. Not that they need it, given the ninth place noose is still waiting to tighten around someone’s neck. Speaking of 400th games, this weekend’s clash is a chance to even the 400 game game ledger to 2-2 all time. The ‘Roos should get it done, if only because Brisbane are looking down the barrel of a priority pick rejection if they don’t… (FWIW I don’t think they get one regardless)

Will this Sunday match last weekend? It’s not likely. But we can only hope.

In the biz, we talk a lot about leverage. In footy parlance, that equals an eight point game. The Dogs’ hold on a finals spot has gotten a tad more tenuous after their loss to the Cats, while the Pies find themselves out of the eight once again after a promising first half. Both sides are very effective at the forward press, making the midfield battle crucial. It could go either way, but I’m backing the Dogs to lock themselves in the eight.

Pop quiz: who makes the eight first? Before the year it was line ball – now it’s very clearly St Kilda. Tip accordingly in this one.

Sunday twilight looms as match of the round. The Eagles begin their testing part of the schedule, although Sydney’s recent funk means West Coast are catching them at the right time. I’d expect a big response from the Swans after last weekend’s horror show, so it could be s little closer than everyone is expecting. But it’ll be an Eagles victory make no mistake.

If they win against the Swans, West Coast won’t have many doubters left. (Photo by Adam Trafford/AFL Media)

Cam Rose
Hawthorn, GWS, Adelaide, Fremantle, Port Adelaide, North Melbourne, Collingwood, Melbourne, West Coast

Carlton vs Hawthorn: The line for this match is 65.5 points. The Hawks will clear double that if they’re at all interested in doing so. Hawthorn by 75 points.

GWS vs Geelong: The Cats finished last season third on the ladder, the Giants third last. Times have certainly changed. No idea on this one, so will stick with the home team, with no confidence. GWS by 8 points.

Adelaide vs Gold Coast: It won’t surprise to see the Crows suffer a let-down after a fierce and emotional showdown, but would the Suns even be able to take advantage, playing away from home? Adelaide by 31 points.

Richmond vs Fremantle: Can the Tigers replicate their exploits from the last time these sides met? Are the Dockers ready to find their best again? A tough game to tip. Fremantle by 11 points.

Essendon vs Port: The Dons were spirited for a half against North last week, but the lack of class told in the end. The Power are playing much better football since their bye, even though they’re only 1-2 in that time. Port by 22 points.

Brisbane vs North: Last week the Lions put up arguably the most woeful and error-riddled performance of any team this year. The Roos can’t be trusted under any circumstances, even for Boomer’s 400th. I won’t tip Brisbane, but I’ll will have $10 on them. North by 15 points.

Western Bulldogs vs Collingwood: The Dogs failed to make the most of their play last week, unable to find the scoreboard. The Pies similarly struggled without Elliott and Cloke, and will be without them again. They’ll cobble together a winning score this time. Collingwood by 14 points.

Melbourne vs St Kilda: Can the Demons do the unthinkable and win two in a row? The Saints only played one good quarter of footy last week, but almost caught the Tiges. Can’t trust the Dee’s, but the MCG just tips me toward them. Melbourne by 8 points.

West Coast vs Sydney: The scene could be set for a famous Swans victory, with their backs well and truly to the wall. The Eagles have got their own problems with McGovern out, but they should still be able to kick a winning score. An upset won’t surprise though. West Coast by 15 points.

Sean Lee
Hawthorn, Geelong, Adelaide, Fremantle, Port Adelaide, North Melbourne, Western Bulldogs, St. Kilda, West Coast.

Hawthorn to defeat Carlton: If anyone doubts it, just watch a replay of last week.

Geelong to defeat GWS: There is fight in the old Cat yet. Not much fight, but just enough to be able to outwit the young GWS outfit.

Adelaide to defeat Gold Coast: Fantastic win last week by the Crows in a fantastic, high scoring game of football. Pity there isn’t more of it. They’ll back up again this week and hold on to their spot in the eight for just a bit longer.

Fremantle to defeat Richmond: Fremantle have been a bit wobbly of late while the Tigers have been winning ugly. Still, you don’t get to Round 17 with only two losses if you can’t play, so for that reason I’m tipping the Dockers. It’s anyone’s game though!

Port Adelaide to defeat Essendon: Surely the Bombers have to play Jonathan Giles this week? They were ripped apart by North Melbourne goliath Todd Goldstein last week and won’t want to give former player Paddy Ryder a similar armchair ride this week. At least the new squadron of baby Bombers are having a red-hot go. Port will still win though.

North Melbourne to defeat Brisbane: The Kangaroos are overrated and not good enough to make an impact in this year’s final series, but they will win this game. Don’t be fooled into thinking they are any good though!

Western Bulldogs to defeat Collingwood: Collingwood has been so gallant against strong opposition over the past few weeks, but things really fell away in the final stages of their game against the Eagles last Saturday. Fatigue might be catching up with the Pies after a super start to the year. No Cloke either. Five losses in a row coming up.

St Kilda to defeat Melbourne: Sorry Melbourne, you may have won last week but you also only kicked one goal in the second half. That gives you some indication of the quality (or lack there of) of the opposition. St Kilda aren’t that flash themselves, but they play better footy than the rubbish that the Demons and Brisbane dished up last week.

West Coast to defeat Sydney: The Swannies were in disarray against the Hawks last week and while The Eagles won’t be as unsociable as their raptor cousins, Sydney supporters better brace themselves for another loss. It is a long road trip out west and an even longer one home after a loss.

Round 17 Cam Ryan Sean The Crowd
CAR v HAW HAW HAW HAW ?
GWS v GEE GWS GWS GEE ?
ADL v GC ADL ADL ADL ?
RIC v FRE FRE FRE FRE ?
ESS v PA PA PA PA ?
BL v NM NM NM NM ?
WB v COL COL WB WB ?
MEL v STK MEL STK STK ?
WC v SYD WC WC WC ?
LAST ROUND 6 7 7 7
OVERALL 89 86 92 95

The Crowd Says:

2015-07-24T07:28:58+00:00

jax

Guest


Tom Barrass has been named to debut for WC. Their 5th debutant this season. Go get 'em Tom!

2015-07-24T06:35:37+00:00

David

Guest


Agreed Ryan

2015-07-24T06:20:24+00:00

Ryan Buckland

Expert


Sorry I missed this comment Paul. As much as I'm inclined to disagree with Jon Ralph on everything, he nailed it when he commented on this earlier in the week. The Lions had a very strong period of success just over ten years ago. They're yet to reach those heights again, but that's largely the AFL's growth and decline cycle working its magic. I was super high on the Lions coming into the year, because of the midfield depth they have cobbled together. By all reports they're still under the salary cap by at least five per cent, meaning they have access to the 'banking' provision under the equalisation measures. Couple that with the advent of future picks trading, and the prospect of two picks inside the top 20 this season (and possibly three depending on the Leuenberger situation) and the Lions are actually in a reasonably strong position coming into this offseason. So I don't think they'd be successful if they made an application. Remember this is all just rumours at this stage. It happens every year. If Melbourne didn't get one in 2013 then that alone almost rules it out for the Lions.

2015-07-24T06:10:46+00:00

Ryan

Guest


So if the Eagles win it doesnt help solidify their credentials as a top 4 team? and if Sydney wins it has nothing to do with a strong culture to bounce back from such a belting? Is Richmonds inability to perform in big games actually a thing? They have stood up in pretty much every big game this year. Would a convinving win over Fremantle not actually not give some weight to the argument that this Richmond side may be maturing? Its one thing to have cheap shots at the media for reporting rubbish, it another to just fire shots at them for actually just reporting and discussing the outcome and possible implications. Sounds like whinging just for the sake of whinging.

2015-07-24T01:23:24+00:00

DylanC

Roar Rookie


Your comment is worthy of a standing ovation. By far the best I have read on this site.

2015-07-24T01:03:48+00:00

Paul D

Roar Guru


For what it’s worth I agree with you on the merits of priority picks as a concept – I don’t overly like them, as you say, there’s already still plenty of incentive to tank games already. But given that they’re still an option on the table – for now – you have to wonder how much worse Brisbane needs to get before the AFL decides to give them one. This is a club that by the end of this season will have broken Melbourne’s record for most consecutive weeks outside the top 8 (from recollection I believe it was 86 weeks or something around that mark). They’re not even close to being a contender, or even competitive, and it’s just soul destroying for the fans up here, those that remain anyway. I freely admit that Brisbane has done a fantastic job of shooting itself in the foot these past 5-6 years, but the line about “not being rewarded for stuffing up their list management, having a board which has no idea what it’s doing, or making the extremely poor decision to fire (Dean Bailey and recruit Mark Neeld)” – well, that was precisely the circumstances that saw Melbourne getting priority picks doled out. So there is precedent. Ultimately any club that is performing badly for an extended period of time has probably stuffed its list management & made bad decisions anyway, so I don’t think you can dismiss clubs from receiving assistance solely on the basis that their circumstances are partly their fault. At some point you have to stop punishing clubs for the bad decisions of the past and provide assistance if they’ve taken steps to sort things out. We’ve sorted out the board, got a new chairman, Leppitsch has taken a far more professional approach to recruiting compared to his predecessor – we are moving in the right direction. Still a long way to go though.

2015-07-24T00:43:01+00:00

joe b

Guest


The Hawks will put in a percentage booster performance I think....However, in 6 weeks time, when they meet again, Hawthorn will rest their top 22.

2015-07-23T23:45:26+00:00

WhereIsGene

Guest


Priority picks are a terrible concept. Brisbane would effectively be rewarded for having a terrible year with injury, just as West Coast was not long ago. (not with a priority pick, but with a cushy fixture. hopefully you take my point) The Lions list isn't terrible, its just hopelessly lopsided. Too many quality rucks & midfielders and not enough KPPs. The obvious solution is to trade some of those superfluous mids for players like Carlisle or Dixon or whomever at season's end. I don't think Brisbane should be rewarded for stuffing up their list management, having a board which has no idea what its' doing or making the extremely poor decision to fire Michael Voss. It is a situation of the club's own making and rewarding incompetence with handouts is not a great way to encourage clubs to stand on their own two feet. Particularly clubs that won three straight premierships not too long ago, rugby state or not. Different story with Melbourne who haven't seen success since the 60s, though either way I'm against the concept of priority picks purely on principle, there's more than enough incentive to tank already.

2015-07-23T23:37:20+00:00

WhereIsGene

Guest


If West Coast wins the "journalists" in the football media will fall over themselves to tell us "the Eagles are the real deal!", nevermind that beating a weakened & psychologically battered Sydney at home will mean little when the finals start. If Sydney wins those same fools will waffle on about the "Bloods culture" (but no mention of the salary cap advantage the club is still enjoying over its competition) while excusing the Eagles on the basis of their injuries. Oh boy will it be fun to see Buddy's face plastered all over AFL.com.au. Again. If Freo wins the Victorian media will naturally ignore them completely, focusing on Richmond's inability to perform in big games. If the Tigers do somehow win this one (heaven help us) then the media's Richmond Propaganda Train will be full steam ahead, and clowns like Slobbo will be talking up their non-existent flag chances guaranteed, nevermind the lesson of last year when they they grinningly hopped aboard and it plowed into a semi at a level crossing. Pity help us.

2015-07-23T23:10:32+00:00

Paul D

Roar Guru


Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised either. No-one can be as consistently inconsistent as Norf. Ryan - you mentioned you don't think the Lions will get a priority pick at the end of this year. I'm inclined to agree, since when did the AFL cut us any favours - but still, don't you think they're pretty close? A combination of dreadful results and a continuing exodus of players surely has us at the front of the line of the AFL Centrelink office.

2015-07-23T09:19:01+00:00

jax

Guest


The Hawks can switch gears seemingly with ease. I think they will try to ice the game early and take their foot off a little bit.

2015-07-23T08:25:45+00:00

TomC

Roar Guru


It's been ten years since the Roos last won at the Gabba. The last three games there they've lost by less than two goals, while they've won the last three games against Brisbane in Melbourne by 63, 87 and 82 points. I'm not saying I'l be tipping the Lions, but don't be surprised if there's a surprise.

2015-07-23T04:16:03+00:00

Wilson

Roar Guru


never know the hawks may rest some of the players for this game. and give some of there younger players a chance to shine.

2015-07-23T03:37:59+00:00

Macca

Guest


Cam - I am with you - if the Blues get within 20 goals of the Hawks I'd be amazed, the Hawks are in awesome form and the blues have half the side under 50 games experience - it will get ugly.

2015-07-23T03:03:25+00:00

Pope Paul VII

Guest


I love the mistrust of North. Me too, god bless them. I have this theory that EVERY opponent below North lifts against North because EVERYONE knows they are flakey so they look worse than they actually are. North get a decent workout every week and have to work harder than everyone else ( ie last week Essendon gave it a right crack ) and the occasional flogging ( Ablett Coast ) but are actually travelling ok, all things considered. So they can expect 4 desparate matches over the next 4 weeks against righteous teams on the improve convinced North will fold. North will win them all with an ave winning margin of 15-20 gritty points, and be primed to take on Freo, WB and Richmond to stake their spot in the 8.

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