Time to scrap the AFL grand final replay

By Dylan Matthews / Roar Guru

“It’s probably going to take this for the AFL to change the rules, it’s an absolute joke. There’s no way it should be decided after another game, guys come here for a win or loss and that’s what we should be leaving with.”

Those were the telling words of Collingwood premiership captain Nick Maxwell in a post-game interview following the drawn 2010 AFL grand final against St Kilda.

Five years down the track there has been no alteration to the rules – if a draw was to occur in another grand final, the reaction among many would remain the same; confused, annoyed and lacking spirit.

Last week all eyes were on the NRL grand final, an all-Queensland slog that has since been touted by many as the best grand final of all time, following a finish not even JK Rowling could have scripted.

With the scores at 16-12 in favour of the Broncos with just one minute of time left on the clock, the Cowboys had five tackles to muster up something extraordinary, a match-saving try from nowhere.

Just as it seemed the Broncos had done enough to salvage the game and claim their seventh premiership, a last-ditch effort from the Cowboys opened up an opportunity for Kyle Feldt to score right on the siren. It left the scores tied up at 16-16, giving arguably the greatest player of the modern era, Johnathan Thurston, the chance to snatch victory by converting from the sideline.

If anybody was going to kick it was going to be JT, and after a good four minutes of setting up, Thurston took his kick, a right-to-left twirler that hit the post!

An agitated Thurston roared, as he knew the game was now anyone’s with golden point the deciding factor.

Feldt delivered the extra-time kickoff, and Ben Hunt fumbled the high ball, allowing the Cowboys the opportunity to win the game through a JT field goal.

Despite AFL fans often insisting rugby league “requires no skill”, even the great Ted Whitten would have to concede that the NRL came out on top this grand final weekend.

It opens up the argument, should the AFL alter its traditional law and allow a drawn grand final to be decided by extra time?

The entire build-up to grand final week is based on the idea that come Saturday night, around 5pm, there is going to be a newly crowned AFL premier. Despite a close contest and the tense final moments of the game, in 2010 the day reached an anti-climax, as everyone was forced to wait another week for a result.

The players were forced to rehash everything again, intense training sessions, team meetings, sleepless nights, stress, and of course the dreaded Thursday night team-selection, which had some players thinking “If only”.

Admittedly, a drawn AFL grand final is a rare occurrence, and there is a high chance we may not witness another. In 116 AFL/VFL grand finals there has been just three draws, the first being in 1948 between Melbourne and Essendon, followed by the 1977 affair between North Melbourne and Collingwood, and of course the 2010 draw.

In fact of 14,786 games played since 1897, there have been just 154 draws overall. That’s 0.0104 per cent of contests being drawn. However there should still be a clear plan in place if this transpires again.

In the 2011 pre-season the AFL commission reviewed its rules an decided the rule should remained unchanged due to tradition. The ‘tradition’ excuse should be left in sarcastic quotation marks as it is obvious that the AFL have left the rule untouched due to potential monetary benefits. The 2010 replay made the AFL approximately $60 million from ticket sales alone.

The fans and specifically club members also have to be taken into consideration when looking at this, because at the end of the day they are the stakeholders who make this game of ours the greatest in the world.

Diehard fans travel the country and potentially the world to witness their beloved side in a grand final, spending up to $1500 for a ticket, yet if the scores are tied at the end of the fourth quarter they leave the MCG with empty pockets and the shallow feeling of no result. Understandably there are no refunds possible and no free or even discounted ticket prices for the following week.

Footy trips, weddings and parties will all need to be either postponed or cancelled, meaning more money down the drain for fans, officials, ground staff and even the players.

What makes even less sense is that there are currently three separate scenarios for a drawn game throughout the season:

• In the minor rounds, if the scores are level at the end of the match, no further on-field action will transpire and each team will split the premiership points (two each).

• A game during the first three weeks of the finals cannot finish in a draw; if two teams are tied at the end of regulation time, five-minute periods of extra time will be played until a winner is decided.

• If the grand final is drawn, the match is replayed on the following weekend. If the grand final replay is also drawn at full-time, extra time is played.

The second-period ruling seems the most appropriate for all situations, as each side gets an extended period of time to prove themselves as worthy winners.

Draws have occurred in two minor finals in the past 20 years; the 1994 qualifying final between North Melbourne and Hawthorn, and more recently the 2007 semi-final between West Coast and Collingwood. In the former contest the Roos came out on top 3.5 to 0.0, while the Pies dominated the latter’s extra time, 3.3 to 0.2, to run out victors.

If a replay is the appropriate next step after a drawn grand final, then why do the rules state that if the replay is drawn at full-time, extra-time will then be played? Basically, it takes the AFL another entire week of unnecessary anticipation to realise that extra-time would have been the more viable option in the first place.

By no means has the NRL got the perfect system in place, with the golden-point system arguably too easy. Maybe they should be looking at a try being needed, rather than just a field goal. This prevents pure luck coming into the equation, while also minimising the impact of a skill error. But at least their rules lead to a new premier being crowned on grand final day.

The AFL need to take a good hard look at the current laws of the game and implement some kind of extra time on grand final to make sure we are guaranteed a victor on the biggest day of the year. It’s a better proposal for the fans, staff, coaches and of course players.

So what’s stopping this ‘non-profit’ organisation from changing the rules and preventing September disappointment?

The Crowd Says:

2015-10-23T14:27:02+00:00

Marcus

Guest


Meh!

2015-10-23T06:26:48+00:00

RStanley

Guest


The two drawn GFs I've experienced (1977 and 2010) both featured Victorian teams. In a national competition, we need extra time to ensure that a non-Victorian was not disadvantaged. This year the GF was in October. A replay would have taken the season almost to the middle of October. The GF should be decided on the day. It is also time for the AFL to go with a night GF. Here in the ACT I watched all the night finals, but daytime activities ruined viewing of the afternoon games. The AFL would get more viewers (particularly outside of Victoria) with a night GF. Watching the NRL GF is a massive social event in ACT/NSW. The AFL can't compete with this with a daylight GF.

2015-10-12T11:37:23+00:00

Warren Cooper

Roar Guru


Much ado about nothing really, considering drawn grand finals in both codes are extremely rare. The NSWRL / ARL / NRL premiership has only had four: two decided by replay's (1977, 1978), the third one decided by extra-time in 1989, and this years golden point. There has only been 3 drawn Grand Finals in VFL / AFL history in 120 years of competition. I do agree extra-time should have happened in the 2010 decider. St Kilda would be right to feel a bit dirty about it because they were coming home with a wet sail and could have had premiership number two. Nothing wrong with a replay if scores are still tied after 10 minutes of extra-time each way, which the 1989 NSWRL Grand Final proved is unlikely (after 5 minutes each way), then that's just madam-fate. Golden point cheapens a game for me. Almost an anti-climax.

2015-10-12T03:06:53+00:00

EddyJ

Guest


Don't really have a team but lean towards Collingwood and Western Bulldogs.

2015-10-12T02:07:54+00:00

andyl12

Guest


EddyJ- who do you go for?

2015-10-11T20:17:24+00:00

Camo McD

Roar Guru


Yeah I like the draw and like this idea - highest ranked team hosting the replay is fair.

2015-10-11T19:05:58+00:00

slane

Guest


How much does it cost you to watch the Grand Final if you aren't from Victoria? It's free-to-air country-wide!

2015-10-11T19:04:15+00:00

slane

Guest


Well actually, the Grand Final is all about the AFL.

2015-10-11T13:43:29+00:00

Gyfox

Guest


OH yes, rugby league has made their game more appealing! NRL 2015 ave attendance was down to 15,000 - lowest in 12 years. TV ratings for NRL also down. These British codes are different to the Australian game - & not just how they decide a drawn game. We have a unique Aussie game & its popularity is proof that it is more appealing than NRL et al.

2015-10-11T12:39:50+00:00

EddyJ

Guest


All drawn games in AFL suck – it mucks up the ladder, takes percentage out of the equation (unless the teams that have played out the draw end up level on the table at the end of the season). AFL has got three ways of dealing with a drawn match – remaining a draw during home and away matches, extra time in finals, but a full replay if it occurs in a Grand Final. My solution is the one that was used during the 1996 pre-season 'lightning' carnival – keep playing until there's a result. So that would mean that if the scores are tied when time has expired, the siren doesn't sound until a point or a goal is scored, and all clear given by the umpire. No-one would know, except for the TV/radio broadcasters, and the viewers at home. But the AFL has become quite conservative with these types of issues, that it will never happen. It just does silly tinkering with substitutes, numbers of rotations, etc. Ruby league is light years ahead of AFL in terms of trying to make the game more appealing. The AFL should have had a night Grand Final years ago – either a 5.30 or 7.30 start would be fantastic, but the AFL wants to be kept in the dark ages, and has its thunder stolen by other codes every year. Other matters? Fix up the fixture, and reduce the teams down to 16 – nine teams are too many in Melbourne. Send off St Kilda to the western suburbs and amalgamate with Western Bulldogs, and merge North Melbourne with Carlton or Melbourne. Now, that would be bold.

2015-10-11T11:32:16+00:00

Judy Atu

Guest


Like hell ! if it's a draw, no way to we want golden point, 5 minutes each end, nothing short of another game the next week will do.

2015-10-11T11:28:55+00:00

BigAl

Guest


I think it can be easily gotten around, because when the next drawn GF occurs it will be being played at the home ground of the higher finishing team

2015-10-11T11:21:08+00:00

Marcus

Guest


Aside from the many footy supporters here and elsewhere saying that they like and want the replay. Except that doesn't match your opinion so they're not valid at all. And the reason the broadcasters like it is because of the ratings, meaning people are watching in big numbers.

2015-10-11T11:19:34+00:00

BigAl

Guest


I think you should just relax - at my Sunday arvo, ouija board session we asked the question and were told that the next drawn AFL GF would take place in Perth ( there was some spiritual confusion/noise so that may have been Cairns ?). That same spiritual confusion also made the date totally unintelligible !

2015-10-11T08:52:32+00:00

joe b

Guest


Fans from states other than Victoria, don't like the idea of paying a fortune to watch a draw, only to have to fork out more money for a replay, where, if it is drawn again, goes into extra time anyway. They changed the draw-replay rule for the lead up finals, so it's hardly a break from tradition.

2015-10-11T08:42:04+00:00

joe b

Guest


A replay is all well and good for vic teams, but non-vic teams are disadvantaged 2 weeks in a row. Furthermore, what size crowd would there be if no vic teams were involved? Yet to hear a reasonable argument for a replay, except the AFL, broadcasters, and Melbourne businesses cashing in.

2015-10-11T07:32:02+00:00

marron

Roar Guru


It's an oddity in that it's been kept I suppose. League had a couple of grand final replays. And soccer has had them and still has them before semi finals in a lot of competitions. I think the record in the FA cup is 6 matches before finding a winner, in one of the earlier rounds. Corporate desires for TV schedules and ticket packages and all the rest, as well as professionalism, have done away with it at the business end of competitions though. It would be a shame to lose it.

2015-10-11T07:24:37+00:00

marron

Roar Guru


That is fair enough. I would advocate for the replay interstate if that was the case.

2015-10-11T06:16:18+00:00

TomC

Roar Guru


I love the grand final replay for a Victorian competition. I wish there was some way to keep it and make it fair for everyone, but there isn't as far as I can see. Travelling in consecutive weeks is tough on teams, and it's just not fair on any non-Victorian team who might be involved in a draw. It's a shame, but I don't see any getting around that.

2015-10-11T05:19:54+00:00

Pope Paul vii

Guest


Love the replay. It's all part of the games rich history. A Grand Final loss is way emptier than a draw. Nick Maxwell might have felt differently if his 'pies were the first team to go extra time and lose? The 2010 draw was even longer between drinks than the '77 and '48 draws.

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