Come back, jukebox crowd, Hal's parties need you

By Philip Coates / Roar Guru

I thought I would take a light-hearted look at events of the past few weeks by removing some of the rhetoric and approaching it from a slightly different perspective. I’ll also leave it with a personal plea.

G’day,

My name is Phil. I live in this huge suburb called Oz. It’s a place with wide open spaces and dense areas too. There are loads of immigrants, new and old. And even the locals were immigrants once, although they seem to forget that.

There are plenty of stories to tell about Oz but I wanted to share this one with you. First of all, I’d better fill you in on some of the main characters in my neighbourhood.

There are three big wigs, Alf, Hal, and Ru, who all love to hold parties. Hal’s parties are run by the head of the family, Dave and his sidekick Damon. Dave used to manage the parties at Ru’s place.

There is this grumpy woman, Bec, who lives somewhere about. She doesn’t like Hal and his parties, and she writes for a local rag. And there’s a real grumpy old bloke down the road, AJ. He thinks he’s important because he’s got a war medal or something and he’s got a megaphone.

Ru’s pretty new to our area and no one pays as much attention to his parties, but some are pretty big if the guys from across town come over.

Alf has the biggest parties by far in terms of numbers and he’s been around a long time. Despite the big numbers, people tend to arrive on their own and don’t make a big scene. They’ve got a jukebox down one end and some kids hang around, but they don’t sing much or make too much noise.

Alf is always inviting old crooners to his big parties to sing along. It’s pretty funny because everybody who goes complains about them.

Hal’s been around just as long as Alf but he’s only recently changed his name and started inviting more of the neighbours. Hal’s parties are not quite so big as Alf’s but they do tend to be noisy. There’s a bunch of guys who hang around the jukebox and they love belting out Jimmy Barnes hits at the top of their voices. They also love to arrive at the same time and march down the street to announce their attendance.

Occasionally one or two get out of hand, but that’s the nature of people in groups or those thumbing their noses at authority. In reality, they add great colour and real vibrancy to Hal’s parties.

Well, just the other week something got up Bec’s nose big time and she ran a front page spread, and more, in the local rag about some of Hal’s crowd throwing up all over the place. She spoke in great detail about the vomit, even describing the contents. And she even went back 10 years to when Hal’s parties began.

AJ got right on board and some other locals joined in too. These people are murderers, she said, and everyone who goes to Hal’s parties are like violent criminals, and they are all foreign and just want to trample Mrs Smith’s roses.

It was nonsense of course. Over the years Alf’s parties have been responsible for plenty of vomit too. Even this week one of Alf’s vomiters was sent to jail for a really awful vomit. And some of Alf’s direct family have been in strife recently for association with some really big vomits that have made world attention. But, quite rightly, not all of Alf’s guests are tarnished with the same brush.

Hal’s jukebox crowd expected a strong response from Dave and Damon. As did some of the families who attend Hal’s parties. Damon and Dave both put their foot in it, though.

Instead of saying “our parties are great”, they said, “Yes, we agree, the vomit is awful. Disgusting. And we told the vomiters not to come back. And these vomiters can’t even appeal because our anti-vomit security team never, ever, make a mistake and are more infallible than the pope or the police, so we don’t even need a judicial system! So there!”

It was hardly the right thing to say. The crowd that hangs around the jukebox was pretty annoyed. Not so much about the vomiters being banned, in the main they were fine with that.

They were annoyed that some of their mates hadn’t thrown up anywhere but they got banned too and couldn’t appeal. They were mostly annoyed because Damon and Dave said nothing about the rest of them and the rest of the Hal party people. They couldn’t all be murderers and violent criminals – after all Dave had used their pictures for 10 years to promote Hal’s parties.

Damon and Dave should have said: “At best, Bec is an out of touch, grump, who adds nothing to the conversation and has momentarily abandoned all reasonable moral decency. At worst, she and AJ have a political agenda to push.

“On the other hand Hal’s parties are a celebration of young and old, culturally diverse, and more specifically the jukebox crowd are fantastic and so are all the families at Hal’s party as they sing and dance and cheer.”

A comment like that would have reflected true leadership and kept a lid on other simmering problems faced by the jukebox crowd.

Bec and AJ both got whacked by other people with megaphones and rags to write in, but it was scant compensation for the jukebox crowd who expected more from Damon and Dave.

The following weekend the jukebox crowd said they were going home early, and they did just that. The party wasn’t quite the same but most of the families understood their attitude and were also annoyed with Damon and Dave.

There were one or two families that didn’t care much and said the jukebox crowd didn’t really matter. I reckon they were wrong. I love listening to the jukebox crowd belt out Jimmy Barnes songs, even if a few occasionally use the cover of the crowd to misbehave. I’ve even joined the crowd a few times to belt out a tune from the periphery.

They’re not ratbags. They are mostly teenagers and young adults. Some are at school, some at uni. Some may even be ‘A’ students. Some are jobless, some are well-paid. Of course, some occasionally vomit but that doesn’t mean everyone at Hal’s parties are criminals.

Dave came out and apologised to the crowd midweek. Damon was nowhere to be seen. Dave said he’d learnt a lesson or two and he’d do better and start talking to the jukebox crowd and fix some of the issues. Unfortunately, the jukebox crowd weren’t pacified and this weekend they boycotted the party entirely.

They were definitely missed. At Hal’s red and black party last night the families in attendance made it quite clear that they supported and missed the jukebox crowd. Even as I write this I’m watching a Hal party in red and some supporting the jukebox crowd are holding up a big black banner saying “Dave: can you hear us now?”. And there’s noisy support from the rest of the families.

I have supported the jukebox crowd wholeheartedly on this issue and have written quite a lot about it. But my message to them now is that you’ve made your point. The bulk of Hal’s party people agree with you. Dave has said he will do better but he’ll need a few weeks or months to prove himself.

In the short term Hal’s parties will go on without you, for better or for worse, so don’t stay away from the party too long and hurt us all and hurt Hal. In fact, there would be nothing better than for you to come back next weekend and make a noise and belt out a Jimmy Barnes song or three.

While the news is fresh and the hurt feelings are real all around, it will put in a real exclamation point on why Hal’s parties need you and how you make Hal’s parties better than Alf’s or Ru’s.

If Dave doesn’t deliver in two months’ time then you have a valid reason to stay away again and I’m sure you will only garner more support from the families.

I love my little suburb called Oz. There is so much to see and do that you occasionally forget to lift your head up and look outside. But when you do you often see real strife elsewhere. The other suburbs around the globe have so many problems to deal with that they would hardly even notice a vomit or two.

We are blessed and at the end of the day, Alf, Ru and Hal are just holding a party and giving us a place to celebrate and we should all be thankful for that, including the likes of Bec and AJ.

Come back, jukebox crowd. We’ll all be better for it.

The Crowd Says:

2015-12-07T12:34:18+00:00

Midfielder

Guest


Phill Great article and posts as well

AUTHOR

2015-12-07T12:04:51+00:00

Philip Coates

Roar Guru


Dean, your argument is both poorly founded and illogical. To compare the trouble at A-League games with the NSL troubles is ludicrous. I spent over 10 years going to the NSL and was in the changing rooms every weekend. I saw way too many pitch invasions, I saw fans fighting all over the ground and in the main grandstand area, I saw players and officials being attacked on the park as they tried to leave the field. No, not every week, not even 'lots of times', but too many times it happened. It's never happened at the A-League. At its worst I have sat with players in the dressing room for hours as they waited to go home but dare not leave because there were crowds waiting for them in the car park. I don't think that has ever happened at an A-League game. The NSL had much bigger problems than a small group of mostly young idiots. Then to suggest that the NSL had troublemakers, the A-League groups have trouble makers but if they continue to boycott 'new fan groups would emerge ... without the hardline anarchists', well that is simply illogical. The 'anarchists' would surely just join the new groups and we are in the same place. With that off my chest, let me just return to the current picture and recent events. I'm not an apologist for the RBB, NT or any other group. There are some things that happen that should not happen. I just wish for some reality in the conversation and balance and accuracy in the reporting. For all Bec's beatings about 'endemic' violence and 'cultural problems' in the sport, she has never once offered a slither of a constructive suggestion about how these issues (that she sees) might best be address. She just throws mud at what she doesn't understand or doesn't like because it is easy to do. In addition, if only weeks before the start of the season the police table a document to all the regular members of A-League clubs that they would be vigorously enforcing a long list of tough restrictions for all supporters in the grandstands, including: * a zero tolerance for swearing; and * supporters will be ordered to remain in their seats and to not stand, jump and clap with their hands above their heads, Breaking these restrictions would result in evictions and possibly bans. (there is a ref link below) The average Joe would say, ' What !!! F*&% off ! ' but that is the sort of rubbish the active supporter groups have to put up with. It's no wonder they thumb their noses at police/security and the two groups are at loggerheads. And where is the FFA when this happens? Who's back have they got? So some of the 'idiots' fight back and rip a flare -that'll teach em !! - and the negative cycle is perpetuated. But who is building bridges and seeking a balance? Not the police/security. Not the FFA. Would the AFL put up with police issuing these restrictions to AFL fans? It, quite rightly, just wouldn't happen in AFL so why do football fans have to put up with it? Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/western-sydney-wanderers/western-sydney-wanderers-and-nsw-police-working-through-red-and-black-bloc-restrictions-20150924-gjufbj.html#ixzz3tdNLrF7M

2015-12-07T09:46:29+00:00

c

Guest


thanks Phillip I agree

AUTHOR

2015-12-07T07:34:03+00:00

Philip Coates

Roar Guru


c, llet me give you three quotes from a recent Bec article of Nov 22. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/rebecca-wilson-its-time-to-stop-the-football-thugs/story-fni0cwl5-1227617318241 I can’t access the weekend piece as I refuse to pay money to subscribe to the rubbish but this article gives you a flavour. The positioning of the story is in relation to ‘football louts’ and soccer in Australia being in danger of becoming worse than England or Europe… Bec then goes on to say, 1. ‘the problem has become endemic’. (Now, endemic means rife or prevalent throughout an entire population.) 2. ‘FFA is loath to make a genuine and concerted stand against the Wanderers’. 3. There is ‘a cultural problem within the sport’. So, to re-phrase her, ‘the problem of louts and violent behaviour has become prevalent throughout the entire soccer population.’ She didn’t say a ‘concerted stand against this rogue element’, [which FFA had done by banning the said troublemakers] but she was demanding a concerted stand against ‘the Wanderers’ as a whole. And finally it’s a racial issue ‘within the sport.’ It’s not a cultural problem within a problematic group, it's not a cultural problem within a section of the crowd, but it's a cultural problem ‘within the sport’. If those three comments in one article don’t paint the everyone at Hal’s parties with the same brush then I don’t know what does.

2015-12-07T04:08:32+00:00

Dean

Guest


I think if the current supporter groups maintained their boycott, new fan groups would emerge in their place and the only loss to football would be the hardline anarchists who don't really care about the A-League much. And the groups wouldn't be sterile or quiet, just without the element that crept into these groups and has caused all the trouble in the first place. By the start of next year, most of the previous group would have joined/formed a new group and we'll all have forgotten that time some idiots in supporter groups thought they were so important. And don't think this is a new thing, the NSL troublemakers were all small groups of (mostly young) idiots loosely affiliated with the clubs too.

2015-12-07T03:52:51+00:00

c

Guest


phillip i am sure they didn't say "everyone" who goes to Hal’s parties , did they ?

2015-12-07T01:48:46+00:00

marron

Roar Guru


the crowd always provides the swell. the home end the baseline. and as AZ says as well, a lot of the colour.

2015-12-07T01:43:15+00:00

AZ_RBB

Guest


I always thought the Cove prides itself on being one of the more reactive active sections in the ALeague using a more English style of chanting. For me, it wasn't so much the absence of the noise but more so the sight of the empty bays. The contrast between that and the usual oversized flags and movement of people was the most telling aspect of it all.

2015-12-07T01:34:45+00:00

At work

Roar Rookie


It's interesting, I was at the Syd FC vs. Newcastle game on Friday night with the other 9.5k there. I thought the atmosphere was going to be quite dire, but the crowd started a few chants, mainly our "We are Sydney". While nowhere near as choreographed as the Cove, it still provided an ongoing amount of noise. As someone mentioned above, it did give the chance to allow the crowd to react to the moments of the game with quiet and noisy periods. It's obvious that active support provides the extra level of atmosphere, but it wasn't as terrible as I had expected it to be. It may have come across different on TV, but being there live it was okay.

2015-12-07T01:15:33+00:00

pioneer

Guest


Call me a killjoy but I actually enjoyed the absence of incessant drumming and chanting over the weekend's games - made me realise how distracting the antics of the various supporter groups actually is. It was surprisingly refreshing. There's still a crowd, still some cheering (just like an NRL or AFL game) - won't bother me if the supporter groups keep up their protest for the rest of the season!

2015-12-07T01:13:14+00:00

AZ_RBB

Guest


I don't think any active groups push it to 10mins? Let alone 30? Maybe I'm wrong. I know RBB often do the same one for 7/8 minutes and towards the end it actually does annoy me. Especially because we have a good 15/16 popular songs to choose from that the terrace knows and a lot of the non-actives know as well. Often I find with the more popular chants the first 3-4 renditions gets the whole stadium involved then slowly people lose interest and by the time you get to 5mins it's pretty flat. But you'll find that the noise most certainly ebbs and flows with the game. Yes there is a constant buzz from the actives but there is an enormous difference between the noise when there's not much going on and the noise when there's a big moment.

2015-12-07T01:01:34+00:00

Cameron

Roar Guru


Good point Dean. At times I wonder what purpose there is to doing the same chant for anywhere between 10 to 30 minutes. They definitively have their place in the game but I would go as far to say that's the difference between a football atmosphere and a rugby league atmosphere. All goals, tries are natural but sometimes the crowds natural reactions are drowned out by the constant need to chant.

2015-12-07T00:53:49+00:00

Kaks

Roar Guru


I'm pretty sure Dean got kicked out of an active supporter group once upon a time and is now on the path of revenge

2015-12-07T00:53:13+00:00

Kaks

Roar Guru


"you can’t tell what’s being chanted on TV anyway" - Only if you're deaf "Anyone who watched that game and came away thinking ‘that game could have used some more singing and chanting’ isn’t a football fan and should have switched over to the State Schools Spectacular on 7" - How about you dont try and tell people what makes and doesnt make a real football fan, aye champ? "The football was front and centre and didn’t disappoint" - The football is always front and center, the fans are what allows it to be that way. No fans = no football. However it takes a really grumpy old man to not be able to admit that the atmosphere created by the fans is what sets our league apart.

2015-12-07T00:41:44+00:00

Mr Football

Roar Rookie


@Philip Coates Great! Loved It! Awesome take on the current situation of the the game. Well written piece.

2015-12-07T00:38:53+00:00

marron

Roar Guru


Biggest chant of the night, for a minute or two, "RBB Ole ole ole".

2015-12-07T00:32:51+00:00

Dean

Guest


What happens if the HAL decides to refuse all of the RBB and NT's demands? Do they disband? The game has shown it will continue without these groups, but without the A-League, these groups don't even exist.

2015-12-07T00:31:09+00:00

Dean

Guest


Watched the whole game from home. I recall my trips around World Cup 2010, a lot of the noise at many A-League games is just like the vuvuzela, noise for the sake of noise. Why won't the crowd chanting last into the season? Maybe it would grow even bigger without the RBB? Who cares who made up the chants, I'm sure they would have come up with something and either way, you can't tell what's being chanted on TV anyway. Anyone who watched that game and came away thinking 'that game could have used some more singing and chanting' isn't a football fan and should have switched over to the State Schools Spectacular on 7. I suspect that's why many RBB fans stayed at home anyway. The football was front and centre and didn't disappoint.

AUTHOR

2015-12-07T00:20:17+00:00

Philip Coates

Roar Guru


Dean, did you watch the game or just dream up the above comments. The ''atmosphere was big'' only when the crowd mimicked the chants and calls that were created by the RBB. That won't last in the long term. Alf can have his reactive crowds who are as dull as dishwater before a match and especially so when you are loosing by six goals. I'll take proactive crowds every time to build the suspense and atmosphere.

AUTHOR

2015-12-07T00:12:53+00:00

Philip Coates

Roar Guru


Hi jb, I haven't yet watched the expose but I'll find it in the next day or two and do so. I'll get back to you with my thoughts. Philip

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