FFA talking tough could be rough for Wanderers

Unless there is a widespread problem in the misuse of flares that I'm unaware of then stricter regulations in regards to the sale and purchase of is not as all conquering as it may seem to be. If this is not a broader issue there is an inconvenience here to people in the community. It is possible to have a scenario in which the marine craft license holder would've opted to have someone purchase them on their behalf (18+ of course) that subsequently will forego buying them. If it was a novelty this person decided to go onto the water without because of poor their own preparation/inconvenience no worries but the sticking point is that a flare by design is a safety device and making such equipment less accessible to those who intend to use them for their purpose of manufacture in order to stop a few idiots using them for the purpose of entertainment is hardly a great look I would've thought. It's also not hard to imagine regions not buy the ocean would have a small number of marine craft licenses none the less. My point was that the apparent indifference gallop felt by the regulatory authority may not have equated to the people of said authority simply not caring. At some point the bloke misusing the flare should be seen as being 100% responsible for being thick enough to take the flare(concealed at that) to a crowded public place. I don't condone their use at football matches and cannot see the appeal in terms of creating atmosphere. Im not against other measures being in place such as recording customer id and the quantity obtained at time of purchase. Individual numbers on each device to match against the sales record even would seem like better ideas.

Paul I take it that your comment was directed at me and possibly a comment by Waz as well. My comment was in response to floyd stating the regulatory authority seemed indifferent to gallops request and while I must say I should of applied a little less smart a**e and got to my point I'll try again. Not going to champion any maritime authority because for all I know they were completely unwilling to address gallops concerns. However I made the comment so as to provide a point of difference assuming this mob may have had legitimate complications in legislating any proposed changes and should not be made a scapegoat based on david's feelings after having put forward his proposal. I pointed out that 18+ should and I assume would be mandatory. I assume while flares may pose some risk to the operator if they were unstable to an extent they could be replaced by a device less so they would have been. You would only ignite one upon sight or hearing a ship helicopter in close proximity I would imagine. I am also working of the assumption professional mariners would be supplied flares used to work as a safety measure aboard their ship through their employers. This then brings me to the conclusion its amateur fisherman buying flares (in the capacity they are designed to be used) so its not hard to imagine a situation where someone is going to purchase on behalf of the people fishing (wife/someone going along to fish who does not hold a marine craft license). Would it mean these people then choose to forego purchasing flares because of their own disorganization/poor planning? To countermeasure what I wander? While waz pointed out in a comment people have been seriously burned and I take his word for that id have guessed as much but in a crowd of hundreds or thousands is not an environment a flare is designed to be used in. I could understand if kids were running round down the park with them, lads were lighting dozens in backyards or whatever but ive not heard of nor seen even a single instance someone has lit one for the sake of entertainment outside the realms of a football game. Unless I am unaware of widespread misuse the restriction of sale would increase the safety of people at football games by lads who bought them with no intention to use them according to their purpose of manufacture by increase the risk to amateur fishermen(I realize the scenario is speculative but not unimaginable I feel) who would have bought them (through spouse, family member or friend) who intended to use them only when and if they had to. Perhaps they maritime authority couldn't care less about assisting gallop or evaluating his proposal idk but blame shouldn't be as black and white as saying they didn't/couldn't help the 18+ y/o lighting them up in etihad is a top bloke afterall.

So agree with you on this. It's time for the State Govts who have jurisdiction on these. supply only to boat licensees or those with a legitimate use such as emergency services. And for illegitimate use of flares the following sanctions. first offence $10,000 fine second offence $50,000 fine third and subsequent offences $100,000 fine AND 6 months or weekend detention for the season. can't stand the afl and nrl trolls stalking the football section of this site.

Obviously you are a Sydney FC fan. the Cove has let off just as many flarea so dock them too along with Melb Victory along withthe others. i don't want the flares either so its time to regulate the sale of them. They should only be supplied to licensed boat operators and those with a legitimate use such as emergency services. use outside of legitimate uses should be as follows first offence $10,000 fine second offence $50,000 fine third offence and subsequent $100,000 and 6 months jail

Some people love to bring attention to themselves. If theses idiots were in the stands what more damage would the do? Seats etc etc?

Go easy on him marron , old Fuss can only - laugh and laugh ! - so much

whaling sign.

Some sign about having a whale of a time.

Have you heard of flares being purchased for use as super sparklers while not reading the sports section though? The same concept as pocket/utility knives perhaps would prevent tighter regulations on the sale of flares. (18+ is required) While there is the potential for it to be used in a dangerous/inappropriate manner if used in it's intended fashion it is quite handy to have and low risk to operate. I imagine purchase on someone else's behalf is taken into account with both. 'That one for your mate on your fishing trip then, and you can convince me that a pair of scissors and a Stanley wouldn't be sufficient?'

Perhaps it is lionheart (the website). I can only reiterate that the statements they've always made have always been the same. THey don't condone and if you do it you are on your own. When I have been talking about home and away, it's the club and rbb and police and security who have all done that at home. The whole package. So away, it's entirely different, clearly. I don't see why Etihad or whoever else couldn't do the same things roughly - they clearly didn't though. An away trip is a very different proposition on top of that - there are non rbb members in the bays, banned people there maybe, it's a different thing. Those advocating self-policing... aside from the fact that good policing works anyway and self policing doesn't wipe them out, it misses a lot. Firstly, actually seeing it... I mean, these things don't ignite immediately either, so it's going to happen on the ground a couple of seconds after someone's done it.. The likelihood of spotting the culprit is minute. But even then... then you get to a he said she said amongst a pile of people you don't necessarily know, some of whom might be pro-pyro nutters, some of whom might not be but they're his mate and believe he didn't do it, some of whom who don't care but who really don't believe police should be involved because they got randomly pepper sprayed one time,... you know, you just don't know. And on top of that... you know security and police could deal with it if they've got the evidence, so just let them.

A joke fuss... please forgive my levity!

Why would they lose business? Only people who own boats need flares. If the law is changed to restrict the sale of flares, the number of boat owners remains the same.

Not really. All those boating places in fairfield would lose a lot of business.

The club do more. Think you've missed the point mate... WSW have managed to all but eliminate flares when they have full control.

Thats all true Fuss, Buying flares in NSW is the same as buying paddles or life jackets. No questions asked. Easy. Late last year, David Gallop, to his credit, actually urged the RMS ( Roads & Maritime Services) to restrict their purchase. It was met with indifference apparently. Quite astonishing really.

Nothing wrong with what Lucy did, or the shop did. There are no regulations relating to the sale of flares - anyone can buy one. In Victoria, the Major Sporting Events Act 2009 creates specific offences at the various major sporting venues for: - Possessing a lit distress signal or firework - throwing a lit distress signal or firework - possessing an unlit distress signal or firework

While that could be a possible violation by the retailer in regards to responsibility of sale it may also be that possession of a flare is not a crime until it is used (in a manner not intended by its manufacture) im unaware tbh never bought or even seen one which poses the question in what other situation would its ignition add atmosphere to an occasion? Are these lads ripping them off at the sunday bbq, down the pub, birthdays, baby showers or is it only at a football match because they're situation means they can gather attention to themselves. This being the purpose of manufacture after all. Never the less I believe to lose competition points for the actions of fans is an excessive measure (somewhere between being against conditions of entry and the law) you would think a more reasonable outcome could be achieved.

The rbb riots its members start getting banned from attending matches. They riot more the Wanderers play behind closed doors. They keep going the Wanderers will be no more. Hooliganism will not reign supreme in the modern sporting landscape of Australia. While I don't really regard what a few members of the RBB do as proper hooliganism, an organisation rioting in the streets over a sporting team losing points (I love sport as much as anyone but it's still a game!) would cross the line into full blown f***wit territory.

How easy to buy flares? Lucy Zelic found it pretty easy. Walked into a store: No ID required; no boat licence Flare Kit - 2 hand held flares & 2 smoke signals: $64.90 https://www.facebook.com/SBSTheWorldGame/videos/10153793766832752/

Fines for a club or individual are one thing but competition points are something that will cause insecurity within a fan base and as brfc found out and the nix would realise this can have a significant effect on renewal of memberships