Roar and Against: The grand final is the best way to decide the A-League champion

The cultural cringe of the average Aussie soccer supporter lives on. Who gives a bugger what happened in English soccer in 1995?

Cheers mate :) Hopefully we can put on a spectacle for you neutrals!

"I have English on my side" "We’ll see who’s right with time." Nutjob.

Proverbial-black-face-guy/ted bullpit "Nice link as well. Is this the part where Fuss says you’re nothing more than a ‘wikipedia’ expert or do you want me to do it for you?" What fussball means when he says "wiki expert" is when a trolling egg-handler claims to have superior knowledge and experience in football, and disrespects credible football people (in their own house)...but infact came down in the last shower and mail-ordered his "credibility". So yeah, thoroughly hilarious and pathetic that it took you hours and hours to concede that point. The World Cup (as you thought you knew it) *is* "the World Cup finals". Which in turn shoots down all your surrounding "house of cards" side arguments (ie. what the qualifiers are or are not colloquially or otherwise referred to) and your truly laughable tennis examples :) Really Glad that you were proven wrong on a public forum and that anyone of sound mind will now dismiss anything you say as utter farce. Re your username: You can never live it down. And you're now like a trapped rat. If you do change it; Your reputation as the proverbial black-face sympathizer will always proceed you. If you don't change it: you will be unavoidably perpetually tied to the bigoted and racist connotation of your username. You're screwed either way. Lol.

@Fuss Like I said, Ben summed it up nicely with these comments: "Technically the Socceroos are currently competing in the 2018 FIFA World Cup, as are all remaining national sides. The World Cup is split into a qualification phase and a tournament phase, though the tournament phase is colloquially referred to as “the World Cup” and the qualification phase “World Cup Qualifiers”." You subsequently made this comment: "Every football fan refers to the qualifying process as “Qualifiers for the World Cup Finals”." I find this a ridiculous comment to make. As mentioned, I doubt too many people would refer to the World Cup qualifiers in the manner you described. Our own Socceroos certainly don't. "1) Your assertion was only 32 nations compete in the World Cup." Yes I did, and I still hold this view based on Ben's comments & logic above. When you break it down, we're both right and wrong. The real question is: who's more right? I'm wrong on a technical standpoint, but not due to any ignorance on the matter. You can't deny that if what you're saying is true - that being every football fan refers to the qualifying process as “Qualifiers for the World Cup Finals - then FIFA's home page for the tournament should read: 2018 FIFA World Cup Finals Russia. This is not the case. It reads: 2018 FIFA World Cup Russia. If we are currently playing in the World Cup then why have 'Russia & 2018' in the title? It makes no sense. It infers the World Cup is indeed in 2018 (not now) and will be played in Russia. If it's just the finals that are being played in Russia, why does it not say this in the title? The qualifications are taking place at present, which is why they're known to everyone else (except you) as World Cup qualifiers, not World Cup Finals qualifiers, precisely because we're trying to qualify for the World Cup in 2018, not the World Cup Finals. Using this logic, my assertion that only 32 teams play in the World Cup holds weight, based on what FIFA's own homepage says, along with the Socceroos - not Wikipedia! I have English on my side. You have technicality. I'm betting English wins out, especially when everyone in the next 2 years speaks more about World Cup 2018 rather than World Cup Finals 2018. We'll see who's right with time.

"That link was in reference to the name given to the World Cup by FIFA. It clearly shows it to be the FIFA World Cup, not FIFA World Cup Finals. It’s pretty simple logic to follow, even for you." I'm not sure if you're being intentionally obtuse. Or, you are just dull because you are ignorant on this issue. This whole discussion about the World Cup was simple... 1) Your assertion was only 32 nations compete in the World Cup. 2) Football fans (including myself) said: no, the World Cup is a competition that includes current matches being played during the Qualifying process This is not complex legal argument. The Regulations are written in simple language. The Fifa World Cup 2018 has begun. Australia has been involved in the 2018 Fifa World Cup for the past 9 months... some nations have already been eliminated from the 2018 Fifa WC and they'll have to wait until 2019 to enter the 2022 Fifa World Cup. Australia will continue its 2018 World Cup matches in September 2016.

@ Fuss That link was in reference to the name given to the World Cup by FIFA. It clearly shows it to be the FIFA World Cup, not FIFA World Cup Finals. It's pretty simple logic to follow, even for you. You're trying to change the argument again. It won't work Fuss, you and I both know it.

"by my own link to FIFA’s home page for the tournament that says otherwise." Goodness gracious. Are you being serious? That link you've provided confirms that the Fifa World Cup 2018 refers to a competition that includes QUALIFIERS. There's a big heading at the top of the page, which includes: Qualifiers, Teams The teams involved with the 2018 World Cup include * CAF: 53 nations * AFC: 46 nations * UEFA: 52 nations (1 qualified) * CONCACAF: 35 nations * OFC: 11 nations * CONMEBOL: 10 nations 2018 Fifa World Cup ... it's already begun. You really are clueless about football. And you don't have the mental aptitude to understand Regulations, which are written in simple English. You are so far out of your depth it's now cringe-worthy reading your juvenile attempts to argue & congratulate yourself.

@horto I think I'll keep my username. It doesn't bother you that much, but it appears to bother Fuss. Nice link as well. Is this the part where Fuss says you're nothing more than a 'wikipedia' expert or do you want me to do it for you? You still don't get what this argument is about though. @Fuss I'm afraid you don't get off that easy. You decided to spin this conversation off on another tangent by saying this: "Every football fan refers to the qualifying process as “Qualifiers for the World Cup Finals”" Really....two fellow Roarer's above don't think so. The Socceroos' own home page sure doesn't say this. But this is the best part of my argument. Your official FIFA document link is trumped by my own link to FIFA's home page for the tournament that says otherwise. @Mattq This particular argument isn't about whether the World Cup Finals are indeed 'technically' the World Cup Finals. Scroll down a bit to the splintered conversation where you brought this up. I conceded on this point and didn't bother commenting any further. However, I did comment on Ben's post above, which is probably the best comment on this thread so far. Subsequently Fuss decided to jump back in knowing full well his argument was diminished. He made the fatal mistake of making the above comment I highlighted. Very few (if any) people on this site refer to the Football World Cup as the Football World Cup Finals. This is the argument Mattq and it doesn't matter how much Fuss wants to spin it. You can tell when Fuss is rattled also in an argument. He brings up completely irrelevant trash talk such as this: "80 minutes of running aimlessly & trying to catch the ball, but 90% of times failing to catch it. Unsophisticated tactical structure & organisation" ...yep, that's as sophisticated as Fuss gets. Quality argument to finish with.

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"Like I said Fuss, I’ll out argue you in anything." @Rick Disnick You live in a delusional world that makes me seriously worry about your health. I sincerely hope you admit you have a significant problem & seek professional advice. Of course it's called the FIFA World Cup.. that's what we've been trying to tell you to educate you about The Game. But, you obstinately want to maintain your ignorance. The FIFA World Cup consists of 2 stages: The Qualifying Stage & The Finals Stage. The World Cup Finals refers to the tournament that will be held in Russia in 2018. How can you not know this? How are you not able to read Regulations (which are written in simple English; Article 5 is not a complicated legal statement). Your pitiful display at debate on this topic has been embarrassing. But, at least it has fully exposed you as a person who knows absolutely nothing about football. Finally, now that Horto has explained the disgusting secret behind your Username, it reinforces my disregard for anything you say. PS: That AFL match was comical. Best 2 teams in the world (took 1 click of a mouse to discover that) and the players are simply technically incompetent. 80 minutes of running aimlessly & trying to catch the ball, but 90% of times failing to catch it. Unsophisticated tactical structure & organisation. And the AFL wonders why the sport can't gain traction outside Southern Australian cities.

Guys I'm sorry I started this. Rick mate, you're wrong. The Socceroos are currently playing in the World Cup tournament trying to qualify for the finals in Russia 2018. It's as simple as that. Whether you catch old fussball using the abbreviated term World Cup in the future makes nought difference and drawing attention to it would only prove you as a bell end. Do yourself a favour a play the bigger man. You're wrong on this matter and it's OK to be wrong sometimes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfjzKYXzsjA and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tuu5YtkPIo

You can change your name but it won't change your MO. I don't care what you do. Just like we still call caltex qantas, from this day forth you shall be known as proverbial black-face guy. It has a better ring to it than zero-cred guy. This from wiki. "The current format of the competition involves a qualification phase, which currently takes place over the preceding three years, to determine which teams qualify for the tournament phase, which is often called the World Cup Finals." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup Don't respond to me black-face guy. I posted this link so everyone else witnessing this laughable thread knows what an embarrassment to the human race you are.

I think someone needs to cool-off. I never called you a pig either, so settle down champ. You people started this bizarre game of semantics - not me. I came here to discuss the topic, which I did with Fuss. Seriously though, I can tell my username irritates you. I'll ask Patrick on Monday for it to be changed. Night.

Don't call me a pig proverbial black-face guy, you racist bigot. The fact that you've been found out and can't bring yourself to admit it is truly pathetic. I'll repeat again. The World Cup finals ARE called the WORLD CUP FINALS, and are in fact the WORLD CUP FINALS. Go and ask someone else if you won't take our word for it. I really want you to discover what a f%^** id1ot you are. You are the saddest troll I've ever encountered proverbial black-face guy. And You clearly lost the battle of wits when you chose your username.

If there's an assault but there's no police to do anything about it.... did it even happen? And if there's no trouble but the police are there ..... is it dangerous?

Beat me to it!

Good point, Kaks. Best of luck to your lads on Sunday - enjoy the build up & match.

Hopefully he doesnt consult the club on financial issues, otherwise Charlesworth may open up a bank account in his dogs name.