Super Rugby tipping Round 17: The final countdown

By Brett McKay / Expert

We’re leaving the Super Rugby season together, but still it’s farewell. And maybe this week we’ll come back to earth, who can tell?

As far as tipping goes, I guess there is no one to blame. We’re leaving ground; leaving ground. Will things ever be the same again?

Yes, it’s Round 17. It’s the final countdown…

» Check out the complete 2017 Super Rugby draw right here

Digger and The Crowd (dammit) jagged perfect rounds last week, and Digger has been tasked with the challenge of taking the competition out for the sake of individual human tipsters – and he’s starting off from the long run!

Harry’s thrown up this week’s curly Big Question.

Last week: Digger and The Crowd 9, Harry 8, Paddy 7 and Brett… well, you know.

Diggercane: “A couple of things before I start.

“Paddy, it turns out that that ‘two Australian in the finals’ possibility was non-existent, and Mr Jones, as much as I enjoyed your Nick Frisby analogy last week, it turns out he found touch on this occasion. Perhaps you knocked on attempting to run the ball back! I have also been charged with catching the crowd this weekend from our leader, the Greig Laidlaw-lookalike, otherwise I run the risk of relegation from the ranks. Honestly Brett, I can’t be held accountable if the crowd keeps copying me.

“Anyhow, back to the business at hand. I am going to back the Blues again this week. My biggest question of them is have they finally found some consistency in their performance? It has been a long time since they have managed to put three quality performances to together in a row but I think this side will, particularly at Eden Park and being the last round. I doubt very much that it will be a walkover like last week, but the Blues do have the muscle to counter the Waratahs’ biggest threats and more potent threats out wide.

“I simply can’t make up my mind regarding the Reds and the Rebels but in the end I am tipping the Rebels. I saw more on attack from them against the Crusaders despite the lopsided result and feel they can score more than the Reds. Pride is also a funny thing and I imagine the Rebels will be wanting to hit the ground running, and bury the memory of their visit to Christchurch in Brisbane.

“The Sharks should dismantle the Sunwolves in Durban, and so too the Stormers should sweep away the Kings with ease. I am backing the Bulls over the Cheetahs due to the Cheetahs’ historically poor record against the Pretorians, but also as the Bulls have potentially more to play for. Though that will require the Sunwolves to pull off a major miracle.

“The Brumbies should beat the Force and with a bonus point. They have too; they are in Canberra and there are no excuses for a squad of this strength if they do not. The Lions’ decision to leave 15 players at home has me tipping the Jaguares to finish their season on a high. I have to say, while I am sure the theory is sound, it is a strange decision to not chase and confirm top spot overall and guarantee home ground advantage through all potential stages of the playoffs by the Lions.

“Finally, two massive derbies at home for us Kiwis to ponder. I make no apologies for my tips here, they are completely motivated by self-interest. The ‘Canes need to win with a bonus point and also require the Highlanders to beat the Chiefs for the Canes to achieve top spot in the conference. So I am all about the ‘H’s this week over the ‘C’s. No, I have applied no other logic to it at all, and I realise that it is bloody unlikely but still, GO THE MIGHTY CLANCANES!”

Tips: Blues, Rebels, Sharks, Hurricanes, Highlanders, Brumbies, Stormers, Bulls, Jaguares.

Harry Jones: “Digger reminds me of so many players. A hairier Stephen Moore, or a nicer Dylan Hartley, or a more house-trained Bismarck du Plessis, or an urban Andrew Hore. I’m going to hook those two points back this week, win a tighthead, take a scrum against the head. Here goes:

“The Blues will stumble at home, while the Reds will quell the Rebels. (I still stick with my picks for coaches). There, that’s my two points back.

“The Sharks, Bulls, and Stormers will coast to wins over tired opponents. Hoping to see Pat Lambie on the bench, after he was hipstered. The Brumbies will maul to a win.

“But here’s where I will pick up the comeback win: Lions sans Boks bite the Jags. Lions are bigger, faster, and stronger than other cats.

“Oh, and Chiefs and Crusaders over the H-teams. Sorry, Diggeroo. Dramatic win for me!”

Tips: Waratahs, Reds, Sharks, Crusaders, Chiefs, Brumbies, Stormers, Bulls, Lions.

Paddy Effeney: “The Waratahs will avenge the Brumbies, as they should be stinging after last week. The Reds and Rebels are equally unlikely to win, so perhaps I should have gone the draw? Honestly I think that will be a good game though, and I’ll be watching. The Sharks and Crusaders will win, one by plenty and one in a close one.

“I’m going the Highlanders, mostly on the home theory, but that’s clearly the game of the round. Brumbies, Stormers and Bulls should all be too good, as should the Lions.

“Imagine saying at the start of the season the Lions would be too good for the Jaguares on paper? The mind boggles…”

Tips: Waratahs, Reds, Sharks, Crusaders, Highlanders, Brumbies, Stormers, Bulls, Lions.

Brett McKay: When in doubt, go back to what I guesstimated six weeks ago. And let’s face it, doing that can’t be any worse than actually putting some thought into this.

So I’ll use those picks as a base and talk myself out of a few tips and probably pay the price.

Six weeks ago I had the Waratahs and Rebels winning the Friday night game, but I don’t know about the Rebels any more. Yes, they’ll be reeling from the Christchurch Massacre, but the Reds just looked to do more against the Brumbies last week, and really weren’t as bad the scoreboard suggested. Plus, the Queenslanders are farewelling a host of departing players in their final game at home.

The Sharks should do the Kings easily, but gee I’d laugh if there was an upset. See my Big Q response for the reasons why. I had the Crusaders, Highlanders, and Brumbies six weeks ago winning at home and see no reason for changing that – even with the relative performances last week.

Stormers and Bulls is easy enough. I think. I couldn’t rule out a Cheetahs upset but I’m not confident enough to tip it.

And Johann Ackerman might just be the biggest gambler in Super Rugby. Six weeks ago he wasn’t going to rest a hundred players in the final round, and so I had the Lions winning in BA. But I have my extreme doubts now.

Ackermann will be either a genius or heavily criticised by Monday, but there is an element of calculated risk: if Digger’s double-H picks get up, then it’s possible the Lions could lose to the Jaguares and still hold top spot.

And then that would be genius selecting.

Tips: Waratahs, Reds, Sharks, Crusaders, Highlanders, Brumbies, Stormers, Bulls, Jaguares.

The Big Question: (from Harry) Which coach’s stock rose the most in the regular season; whose fell the most?

Diggercane: “In terms of the best this season, I feel hands down that I must nominate Johan Ackermann.

“Not many, outside of those who watch Currie Cup would have predicted their current position on the table, let alone with a chance to finish the season as top qualifier across the conferences. The Lions journey has been quite remarkable; a squad a few seasons back that were viewed as admirable for their tenacious defence but little else has now grown into serious competition contenders along with several well deserved Springbok caps.

“With little recruiting done, Ackermann has transformed this squad over several seasons and is perhaps a lesson in what patience and belief can deliver over time rather than the instantaneous expectations many of us hold with regards to our sporting sides.

“Worst? Well a few Aussies have already met their fate through the season but the two that spring to mind is Raul Perez for the Jaguares and Nollis Marais for the Bulls. Perhaps a bit harsh on both considering this is their first season but with the available roster to both a poor return for their respective seasons.

“I tend to be a little more lenient towards Perez as this competition is new to him and his players given it is their first year but no such excuses for Marais whose Bulls are a well-established side and also included several experienced Springboks recruited at the beginning of the season, so Marais for me.”

Harry: “I’ll go with two 43-year old coaches as my Stock Rose and Stock Plummeted picks.

“Richard Graham is 43. It may be 43 years from now before a top club gives him the keys to the sheds. I have never seen such skulldigging ineptitude. It was like a Viking eating a chocolate soufflé. It was pudding in your pants. Graham seemed petulant in victory; clueless in defeat.

“But the Blues’ 43-year old bluesman, Tana Umaga, is a blue chip stock. Playing in the Pool of Death against four teams that would all win the Six Nations and the Nobel Prize too, his team is playing better each week. I think the Sharks should make him an offer; maybe Wales, too.”

Paddy: “Every Australian coach’s stock has fallen. At least it seems that way. Foley, Graham, Stiles and Larkham have plenty of questions to answer, and seemingly struggle to answer them. Daryl Gibson has been spared, but in Australian rugby you only get one year free of criticism, as Michael Cheika is finding out.

“I like Todd Blackadder as the one who’s restored a lot of credibility to his work, taking a Crusaders team that wasn’t necessarily all that fancied pre-season (does anyone remember the hype around the Blues?!?) to the top of the league. Obviously Johan Ackerman can’t go unmentioned here, but in the case for Todd what shouldn’t go ignored is the hyperbole around his coaching credentials in recent seasons. This season goes a long way to undoing any damage that was ever done in the past few years.”

Brett: It’s almost certainly Johan Ackerman whose stocks have risen the most – this week’s selection notwithstanding – but I’ll give Dave Rennie a big rap here.

In a season where his side might have been excused for coming back to the pack, with the loss of Sonny Bill Williams and Liam Messam to the Sevens program and a host of others in the annual churn, Rennie has somehow managed to rejuvenate his squad in record time, maintain their typically high standards, and produce yet more All Blacks. The early-season loss at home to the Lions might’ve raised a few questions, but wins in South Africa and Argentina and only two losses since have meant the Chiefs have been there or thereabouts all season.

And for the plummeting stocks, I’ll pick a different South African coach to Digger but for the same reasons. And this might be harsh on Gary Gold in that it’s his first season, too, but the way the Sharks recruited for 2016, I genuinely expected them to top Africa 2 reasonably comfortably, and that the Lions and Jaguares would fight with the Bulls for the last wildcard spot.

Instead, the Sharks may well hold on, and can be thankful for how up and down the Bulls have been and how ordinary the Jaguares have been in their conference, but they haven’t really done anything this season to make me set the alarm and watch them play live. And yes, injuries have played a role in that, but then again, only four teams have scored fewer tries this season – and they’re all on the bottom of the table!

The summary

The Crowd has picked…
..with surprising assuredness in a couple of games. I couldn’t believe the Blues started with such a wide margin, and I’m even more surprised that the margin never narrowed over the two days. Equally, the Highlanders started out at around 55%, and where I expected that margin to remain pretty steady, it lifted more then six percent.

But with two different picks to Digger, we could yet have a triumph for humanity!

The final picks and voting margins, with well over 400 votes registered:
81.7% Blues
67.1% Reds
98.3% Sharks
77.0% Crusaders
61.4% Highlanders
95.8% Brumbies
98.5% Stormers
78.8% Bulls
67.4% Jaguares

The Crowd Says:

2016-07-17T00:24:05+00:00

Grahame

Guest


Sunday 17th, the results are in. Brilliant Diggercane. 9/9. Your picks compared to your "mates" were so left field I thought you might come down in a flaming heap. Well done!

2016-07-15T07:35:54+00:00

RobC

Roar Guru


Gday gents. Thanks for that! Tahs will be Blue Red/bs Sharks will dine on dog meat Saders not on a crusade. Will defend successfully Ponies will conquer the west Kings will be dethroned Cheetahs have only won vs Bulls. It will stay that way Lions are sending kittens. Jags will have them for desert

2016-07-15T05:53:01+00:00

ThugbyFan

Roar Guru


Nothing wrong with Thugbies, Carlos. An endangered species these days! :)

2016-07-15T05:47:56+00:00

ThugbyFan

Roar Guru


Machooka, get it right, that's UNIVERSE supremacy! :)

2016-07-15T05:46:26+00:00

ThugbyFan

Roar Guru


Sheesh RT, you and I have exactly the same picks......... except for one match! I bet you can't figure out which one. :) Next year them Blues will be one scary team. No-one will like to travel to Eden Park I imagine. I suspect that RT and I will both enjoy the holiday watching other teams compete for the SR bragging rights. I look on it as training time for the Wally Bees to rediscover the art of winning rugby. 20th August, it starts again at the Olympic Stadium in Sydney, be there!

2016-07-15T05:33:30+00:00

ThugbyFan

Roar Guru


Wardad, you win best post of the year. Stick it up them non-Chef believers! :)

2016-07-15T05:22:42+00:00

ThugbyFan

Roar Guru


Before my rant, many thanks to Brett, Digger, Harry and Paddy for the entertaining weekly tipping blogs. Sadly, similar to the Aussie SR teams, the two Aussies are lagging even in the tipping contest. They should ban NZ teams from Super Rugby. Them damn Kiwis keep ruining my tips. A full sheet last week except for RT/TM's Blues suddenly remembering how to play well-structured attacking footy and them Digger Canes jagging a win after teaching the Tahs inside backs how to kick for territory and handle pressure. Lucky there was rain in Sydney on Sat night to wash away my tears and beers. I spilled half a middy of beer when Izzy went over for a try; as that put NSW Tahs in the lead I dedicated that lost beer to Digger. :) This last week of SR is a tough one. Blues to forget their play from last week and play the waiting game as Tahs go for an attack-at-all costs game. Blues start to play rugger when Tahs hit 40 points, but too little, too late. Good luck RT, as with myself and Chookman we can all switch off our tellies because some other mob are playing for the SR biscuits and who cares! As an aside its interesting that Dave Dennis has replaced W.Palu at #8. Is that a command from Saint Michael Cheika to get a decent tough, physical and good lineout merchant in the #8 position for the WB upcoming matches? Luke Jones and Sean McMahon return to add some starch to the Rebels piggies who fell to pieces last week against the Crusaders. However too many Reds players playing for contracts and at home should see a rare Maroon victory. Farewell to L.Jones who in another universe should have been the #6 pick for the WB. MoonDawgs should learn "never tread water with them Shawks, ya gonna get bitten". I know the Hurry Canes beat the mighty Tahs at home, (B.Barrett was on fire) but I don't think the Crusaders have such a crap kicking game and just won't panic to let the Canes off the hook. Sadies to win by plenty (Sorry Digger :) ) Highlanders at home are really strong but Chiefs to lift and show their class and why they are on top of the SR table. Brumbies to win by a country mile or they don't deserve to be in the finals. I like the Force as even when outclassed, they never give up and play their hearts out. Imagine how good they could be with a couple more star players and a good coach. Stormers get the Power pick. Kings would be lucky to win a Shute Shield game. Only there to fill advertising content for Fox/News Ltd. Almost pick a draw for this one or toss a coin. Bulls have too much to play for in this match, so should win. Cheetahs will go down fighting in a close match. The almost Puma side should beat the Lions 2nds by plenty. I can understand what J.Ackerman is doing to save his players the rigours of long-distance plane travel, although he is sure taking a risk of a heavy loss. Just prior to the Tahs game against the Sunwolves I suggested that the Tahs should not send all of their test stars who had played all 3 matches against England, especially N.Phipps, B.Foley and M.Hooper. Those three especially really needed that week rest from both footy and the travel. Instead of sitting on a plane for close to 20 hours and mucking about in Tokyo, B.Foley could have been at the local park with a kicking guru rediscovering his field kick mojo. Who knows he may have even learned how to spot empty space behind the opposition line and figure out how to kick accurately to that space. Phipps might have dropped into a fast-pass clinic, while Hooper could have just sat at home, feet up, beer in hand and watch the game.

2016-07-15T05:20:34+00:00

Loftus

Guest


Don t worry, when you mentioned it, I started to have doubts about them two as well - after being pretty sure Marais began his tenure without any new recruits! Thanks for the reply and well done with your picks so far

AUTHOR

2016-07-15T04:27:47+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


The Crowd votes are in...

2016-07-15T00:13:04+00:00

Scrumma

Guest


Doesn't really matter does it, too close to call I reckon, it's the usual fundamentals, basics, handling the pressure better, who makes the least mistakes, who takes their opportunities and who wants it the most, will be the two teams who win this weekend and who finishes top, but that doesn't mean the brothers who have to travel abroad for the quater finals can't get the job done because we know they can get the job done and the pressure will be on those hosts to justify their home quater final when they've less points then their opponents from the land of the long white cloud.

2016-07-14T21:14:20+00:00

Digby

Roar Guru


Thank you Loftus, appreciate the insight. I am unsure why I had it in my head they moved this year, obviously confusing myself!

2016-07-14T16:11:27+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Maybe I should say the only thing all Roarers agree on: my Stormers had the (most beautiful and) soft schedule.

2016-07-14T14:23:32+00:00

Muzzo

Roar Rookie


Yeh RT, it's so much a shame, that Ben Lam, never recovered in time for Rio, but them's the breaks mate, as we know.

2016-07-14T11:29:29+00:00

Baylion

Roar Rookie


The Sharks played exactly the same teams as the Lions, Kings and Jaguares except for the Lions got to play the Sharks and not the Lions. A farcical "analysis" based on opposition performance through the season by a Blues fan site to show how tough a schedule they had (the other Kiwi teams supposedly had easier schedules than the Blues as they got to play the Blues whereas the Blues had to play against them)

2016-07-14T10:33:37+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Sharks have played toughest SA schedule; NZ Herald analysed all teams' schedules

2016-07-14T10:04:38+00:00

Charging Rhino

Roar Guru


Hey Brett, the Sharks beat the two finalists from last year, and lost to the 3 teams at the top of the table (Lions, Chiefs & Crusaders), only 1 shock loss to the Blues which was close. So Gold hasn't done such a bad job surely? I'd place them as the 4th best team above the Canes and Highlanders (they thrashed the Canes and beat the landers in NZ), and above the Stormers (they beat them), and therefore above the Tahs and Brumbies too. Every game against an NZ side was exceptionally close. Only the Lions have truly had their number this year and have them a hiding both times. And that not unusual if you take Currir Cup performances from last year into account.

2016-07-14T08:39:33+00:00

Pinetree

Guest


Also the Blues have lost only 2 times to Aus teams since 2010, the last being the Brumbies in 2013 so that is to be considered as well.

2016-07-14T08:33:56+00:00

Pinetree

Guest


Maybe the crowd know that the Blues and Waratahs have played 9 games at Eden Park and the Blues have won 8 and lost 1.

2016-07-14T08:16:20+00:00

Fox

Roar Guru


Oops I almost forgot Brumbies win but maybe not with a bonus point against the Force but they won't need one.

2016-07-14T07:58:47+00:00

Baylion

Roar Rookie


Ackermann has chucked the fox in the henhouse as far as the Kiwi derbies are concerned and will be sitting back and watch how they beat each other up for that potential top of the log spot. The Canes will want to redeem for their choke in last year's home final and if they beat the Saders the Highlanders have all to play for against the Chiefs. Makes for some great derbies on Saturday but also for some bruised and battered Kiwi bodies a week before the first play-offs And Ackers will know exactly what the Lions must do against the Jaguares, they might not even need a win

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