Michael Jordan vs LeBron James: Now it's a fair fight

By Ryan O'Connell / Expert

Immediately after you have witnessed history unfold is a sub-optimal juncture to attempt being objective.

It’s usually wise to let some time pass first before addressing said history – and the people that created it – so that you don’t get caught up in the hype and end up writing something that reeks of recency bias.

That is precisely why I avoided writing anything on LeBron James after he led his Cleveland Cavaliers to the 2016 NBA championship, coming back from a 3-1 deficit in the Finals – something that had never been done before in history.

The fact the Cavs knocked over the team that had just completed the greatest regular season of all-time, were the defending champs, and also had the MVP winner of the last two seasons on their roster, only added to the occasion and the achievement.

That’s without even mentioning that the victory ended one of the greatest hoodoos in professional sport – the city of Cleveland’s championship drought.

It all ensured that if broaching a topic with a level head was in order, the savvy option was to wait until the last piece of confetti had fallen, or JR Smith had put his shirt back on. Whichever happened to occur first.

It’s now been over three weeks since the Cavs won the NBA title, and the emotions have settled down a touch, which means it’s a slightly more sensible time to discuss LeBron James’ greatness, without the fear of writing something while simply being ‘lost in the moment’.

(AP Photo/Marcio Jose Sanchez)

Even before this year’s playoffs, LeBron was ‘in the conversation’ when it came to the greatest players of all time. I thought it was silly – if not stupid – to suggest otherwise.

Two championships. Four MVP awards. Two NBA Finals MVP awards. Twelve All-Star appearances (of which he was named MVP in two of them). Ten All-NBA First Team nods. Career averages of 27 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assists.

I could list many more impressive accomplishments or statistics, but really, anyone that looks at that paragraph and thinks LeBron wasn’t automatically placed on the list of the best players of all-time needs to be institutionalised somewhere. Quickly.

The interesting part of the debate was where on that list LeBron sat. His position in the pecking order of greatness was the real cause of deliberation. Ahead of Hakeem Olajuwon? Behind Kareem Abdul-Jabbar? Equal with Tim Duncan? Better than Magic Johnson? It was a debate worthy of keeping pubs in business.

However, LeBron’s latest heroics in winning his third championship and Finals MVP, putting up ridiculous numbers, beating the historically great Warriors, coming back from 3-1 down, and ending Cleveland’s long misery, have all ensured that LeBron catapulted past the likes of Shaquille O’Neal, Kobe Bryant, Larry Bird, etc.

If, indeed, he hadn’t already.

LeBron now finds himself in rarefied air.

Air Jordan, to be specific.

(Image: Flickr/Jason H Smith CC-BY-2.0)

That’s right, it’s no longer sacrilegious or crazy to put LeBron in the class of the greatest of all time, Michael Jeffrey Jordan. In the past, it may have been premature, outrageous, irrational or just plain wrong to compare James and Jordan, but that is no longer the case.

Sorry haters, it’s the truth. We’re here. It’s happening. We’ve arrived.

Where? At the place that LeBron was destined for when he was still just a teenager: the discussion about him potentially being the greatest basketballer of all time.

Given this is an opinion site, my editor Paddy would kill me if I didn’t provide my point-of-view on who is the greatest between LeBron James or Michael Jordan, so here’s my two cents.

Jordan still reigns supreme.

And yes, I will foolishly try to explain why, even though such deliberations remain extremely subjective.

I’m not going to do a boring head-to-head statistical comparison, but the career PERs are 27.91 for Jordan, and 27.65 for LeBron, which sees them ranked number one and number two all-time, respectively. So I’m willing to say that, statistically, these two legends are pretty damn close, and move on.

Both players have areas of the game that they are stronger in than the other one. Be it Jordan’s ruthless competitive streak, outstanding footwork and ability to deliver in the clutch, or LeBron’s physical strength, otherworldly passing and ability to go coast-to-coast like a runaway freight train. Yet for the most part, they kind of cancel each other out on many aspects of the game, even if LeBron’s versatility would appear to put him in front.

Why MJ gets to hold on to his unofficial mantle of GOAT is because he creates just a little bit of space from LeBron on two important variables.

The first is defense, for Jordan was one of the greatest defenders of all time.

Considering defense is 50 per cent of basketball, I place a large amount of importance on it, and Jordan was named to the NBA’s All-Defensive Team a staggering nine times. He also won the Defensive Player of the Year Award in 1988.

He was, in every sense of the phrase, a two-way player. The difference being he was more than just ‘capable’ on both ends of the floor, he was ‘elite’. That’s pretty unique, and pretty impressive.

LeBron is no slouch on D, having made five NBA All-Defensive Teams (and being somewhat screwed out of the Defensive Player of the Year Award in 2013), but he does take possessions – and sometimes weeks – ‘off’ at the defensive end. He coasts.

When LeBron turns it on, he’s still devastating. Just ask Steph Curry, who will have nightmares for the rest of life about LeBron blocking his shots in the 2016 Finals.

However, Jordan’s consistent intensity on defense gives him a slight advantage in that department.

The second area that Jordan has over LeBron is the unavoidable topic of their Finals record. Jordan’s 6-0 record stands out like a sore thumb against LeBron’s 3-4.

I’m not one of those people that holds LeBron’s Finals record against him. I actually think he should receive kudos for making seven NBA Finals appearances, six consecutively.

The only loss he should be embarrassed about, or have taint his legacy, is the 2011 disaster versus Dallas. In every other Finals loss that LeBron has suffered, the team that won was better.

Yet, you can’t help but marvel at Jordan’s perfect record in Finals, along with the fact he still has three more titles that LeBron. For as long as they keep the score during games, and the objective is to win, that should – and does – matter, providing the biggest edge Jordan has over LeBron.

Both players’ resumes are absolutely amazing, but here is the killer point: Jordan won’t be adding to his, while LeBron is far from finished. At just 31 years of age, LeBron has time on his side, and the ability to improve and inflate his already elite standing in the game.

Jordan may have the slight lead for now, but the debate of who is better is inching closer and closer towards a fair fight.

The Crowd Says:

2016-10-20T19:12:14+00:00

Khael

Guest


Ron Harper - PTS13.8 TRB4.3 AST3.9 FG%44.6 FG3%28.9 FT%72.0 Steve Kerr - PTS6.0 TRB1.2 AST1.8 FG%47.9 FG3%45.4 FT%86.4 eFG%56.4 Please compare that to Lebron's teammates and then tell me that Kerr and Harper was better than them. Heck J.R Smith and Matthew Dellavadova have better stats than the 2. And you call them great great teammates? Where did you get it from? I am not even talking about K. Love and Irving who are supperstars. And by all means please. Pippen and Rodman are just Role Players. They are allstars but not superstars compare to Love and Irving.

2016-07-20T00:34:16+00:00

pete bloor

Guest


So the management of, investment in and timing of the emergence of the Air Jordan brand play no part? Jersey sales don't perfectly correlate with on court production so hard to say a legacy brand, which has an incumbency advantage that is incredibly difficult to overcome for a player at essentially the same base company targeting a very similar market, is some sort of tie breaker. You are basically saying anyone pre 80s is incapable of being better than Kyrie Irving.

AUTHOR

2016-07-18T02:35:38+00:00

Ryan O'Connell

Expert


Thanks for commenting, Judge. I think you've slightly taken Dr J's comments out of context though. He was simply naming his all-time favourite starting five, not the top 5 players of all time. In fact, he has nominated Kareem as the greatest player of all time, but left him out of his starting five, which indicates that it's two separate conversations.

2016-07-18T02:17:38+00:00

Jerry

Guest


I can argue with Dr J if he's saying stupid things like that. Basketball is a far far bigger game than in the 1950s or even from Dr J's era. The Celtic/Laker rivalry in the 80's and Jordan in the 90's made it a much bigger deal meaning more kids played it and the talent pool boomed. Plus of course, the game being opened up to black players in the 50's & 60's and then the international influx from the 90's onward.

2016-07-18T00:57:15+00:00

Steele

Guest


I have Jordan ahead purely for one reason. He was more clutch than Lebron has ever been. Kyrie Irving was more clutch than Lebron in the big moments imo. Lebron is obviously more versatile, but Jordons perimeter shooting is much better, especially when it counted. And yes his defence was insane.

2016-07-18T00:02:20+00:00

Judge Smails

Guest


Interestingly the great Julius Irving, aka "Dr J". said he had been watching NBA since the 1950s, when it only had 8 teams and not the dilution of talent with 30 odd clubs you get nowadays and he does not include Jordan or James in the list. The top 5 according to Dr J are: Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, Elgin Baylor, Jerry West and Oscar Robertson I recall Wilt scored 100 points in an NBA match once. Never recall Jordan doing this. Also Bill Russell won 11 NBA championships. How many did Jordan win? I recall Jordan had a lot of problems willing his Bulls team to even get past the Pistons in the Eastern for season after season in the 80s. Jerry West is the NBA logo. Who are we to argue with Dr J. The guy came through street ball to whip the NBA talent of the day on the courts of Harlem to bring razzle dazzle to NBA. He transformed the league. Respect Dr J.

2016-07-17T09:51:21+00:00

Internal Fixation

Guest


Thanks Ryan. Sorry to join the discussion so late. There are 2 ways of looking at Lebron and his teams finals chances. The first is that he isn't clutch because he didn't lead his team to glory 4 of 7 times. The second is that detailed stats/advanced metrics show his team was favourite only in the Dallas series when he didn't win. That is balanced out by this most recent chanpionship - redemption if you will. From memory Jordan only beat the odds in the Phoenix series. Anyway, from a personal level your whole argument is moot. Rodman is clearly the GOAT :) http://skepticalsports.com/the-case-for-dennis-rodman-part-44a-all-hall/

2016-07-17T03:18:45+00:00

Brian

Guest


i dont buy the championship argument. does lebron now diminish as a player because durant joins gsw.

2016-07-17T00:14:06+00:00

no one in particular

Roar Guru


Drew Henson played 3B for the Yankees and was starting QB for the Dallas Cowboys. Not at the same time though

AUTHOR

2016-07-16T23:49:24+00:00

Ryan O'Connell

Expert


You can't deal with hypotheticals, only facts. Where do you draw the line? You could play the 'What If?' game with any number of variables/situations.

AUTHOR

2016-07-16T23:44:12+00:00

Ryan O'Connell

Expert


Marketability should factor pretty low in assessing someone's playing greatness. Of course it helps your popularity if you're actually talented, but a player's ability to sell product doesn't necessarily translate to playing greatness. Tim Duncan had little to no endorsements during his career, because it didn't interest him. Should that count against him when judging how good of a player he was? Penny Hardaway's Nike commercials were amongst the most successful the company has done. Does that elevate his standing historically from a playing perspective? It's a pretty slippery slope, this one...

AUTHOR

2016-07-16T23:29:47+00:00

Ryan O'Connell

Expert


No offense taken at all, mate. All good. I totally agree that such debates are pointless, but that doesn't make them any less fun or enjoyable.

2016-07-16T20:02:41+00:00

pete bloor

Guest


"big guy group" so no Magic or Bird (or Jordan or lebron) Magic, Bird and Dr J join my and bron in wing/point group

2016-07-16T15:53:57+00:00

Johnno

Guest


Lebron has just signed a lifetime deal with Nike

2016-07-16T13:10:18+00:00

Kavvy

Guest


Bird was amazing, I don't think anyone doubts that. Otherwise they wouldn't have him top 5/top 10. I'm talking about lists in sporting sites (ESPN, Bleacher etc..). ESPN for example has Magic at 4 and Bird at 6. You consistently see this, where they're 1-2 spots apart with Magic slightly (it's impossible not to think about them at the same time given their career overlaps/trajectories) all good subjective fun anyway

2016-07-16T10:03:20+00:00

McNaulty

Guest


Except that if you want to be like that Lebron would've won last year with Kyrie and Love fit.

2016-07-16T07:47:54+00:00

Doc Disnick

Roar Guru


...wait a second, I take some of that back. I see the sarcasm now after reading it again, so I'll structure my response slightly differently. Greatness can be measured on many levels, endorsement deals being one of them. The popularity of a player is often directly related to their playing greatness (not always i.e. David Beckham) and therefore can be used as a direct measuring stick when it comes to comparing their respective marketing ability. My point being, the Air Jordan brand will be around in 20 years time precisely due to the mans legendary status. Will the Lebron James brand be around then? That's the true question. Perhaps 20 years from now you can write this article again — we'll have a better idea then, but I doubt many will remember him like the great MJ.

2016-07-16T07:31:59+00:00

D Fitz

Roar Rookie


Everyone seems to overlook that LeBron and the Cavs only won the title because Draymond Green was suspended in Game 5 and Andrew Bogut injured his knee in the same game and was out for the last 2.5 Games. Had these absences not happened it is probable the GSW would have won the title and Ryan would not have written this article and we would not be having this discussion.

2016-07-16T07:31:14+00:00

Doc Disnick

Roar Guru


That's it...that's the best you got? Yeah, I can just see his Louis Vuitton belts selling in 20 years time to all those kids growing up playing basketball in the States vs the Air Jordan brand around the WORLD today. I suppose next you are going to say Buick was the best golfer in the world when they had their name on Tiger Woods' bag many years ago?

2016-07-16T03:34:12+00:00

Niall

Guest


Meant no offence, Ryan. I just look at it in a different way. If for example LeBron wins 7 championships before he retires, does that means he's a better player than MJ? To me it doesn't change anything, they are both great and both completely different basketball players. The GOAT is a mythical status that doesn't actually mean anything. If we start from the point of view that MJ is the GOAT then does it mean he's a better shooter than Steph Curry? Has better post moves than Hakeem Olajuwon? Better passing skills than Stockton or Magic? I guess my main point is its a team game and the circumstances of each individual era and situation play a huge part in the public perception of each player. All we'll ever actually have is our individual favourites or opinions of the best we've seen. My two personal favourite players are Hakeem Olajuwon and Kevin Garnett. Hopefully I've added to the discussion and not killed all the fun.

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