The history of selecting balanced back rows

By Frank O'Keeffe / Roar Guru

Recent discussions about the utility of the ‘Pooper’ has got me thinking about the importance of selecting a balanced backrow for every Test.

It is an unfortunate fact that the best rugby team often doesn’t possess the best 15 individuals. Nowhere is this more evident than in selecting a backrow.

Former Australian coach Bob Dwyer once wrote that, “Selecting backrow combinations is like solving a Rubik’s cube. The permutations can be endless. In committee rooms around the world the sight of candles burning long into the night is an indication that selectors are wrestling with the backrow conundrum.”

Here are four examples of excellent Wallaby legends who couldn’t be selected more often due to the ‘balance of the backrow.’

4. Phil Waugh
The 2003 World Cup semi against New Zealand ranks among the ten greatest Wallabies performances I have ever seen.

Months prior to the World Cup, following a 21-50 defeat to New Zealand at Telstra Stadium, there was a newspaper headline that read “We can’t win the World Cup!”

The Wallabies were floundering.

Not helping matters was a narrow escape against Ireland in the 2003 World Cup quarter-final, which was almost lost to a drop-goal in the final moments.

How the Wallabies turned things around is inexplicable. Following this Test Justin Marshall asked George Gregan, “Mate, what was that?”

Gregan responded, “I don’t know! We’ve been playing like absolute rubbish!”

But everything clicked that night, and the most pleasing aspect of the Wallabies success was the domination displayed by George Smith and Phil Waugh.

From 2000-2002, George Smith was unquestionably one of the five best rugby players in the world. Watch, if you will, the rugby DVD documenting the 2001 British and Irish Lions entitled Living with the Lions.

Footage of the halftime speech Martin Johnson gave to the Lions demonstrates the one player the Lions were focused on getting out of the Test – George Smith. “Smith is everywhere”, Johnson exclaimed! (The Lions, by the way, were dominating the Wallabies.)

Yet the form of Phil Waugh in 2003 was good enough that it forced Australian coach Eddie Jones to place him in the side, relegating the best openside flanker in the world at that point, to the blindside.

It worked wonderfully.

However, the combination of Smith-Waugh never succeeded following this Test. I believe Australia only won one more Test against New Zealand with the Smith-Waugh combination, and the All Blacks were able to make adjustments to counter this duo.

Richie McCaw once noted that when George Smith played as a blindside flanker, he tended to revert to hunting like an openside.

The Wallabies may have had an advantage at the breakdown playing Smith and Waugh, but they had failure making headway through their ball carrying. What they needed was a ball carrier, and Rocky Elsom was the obvious choice.

Elsom soon replaced Waugh as a permanent fixture in the Wallabies side, and by 2008 Elsom had developed into a terrific player before leaving for Ireland.

Phil Waugh is seriously becoming underrated in Australia, though. I can recall a few Tests where he won man of the match for his performances.

I can also recall at the beginning of John Connolly’s reign in 2006, people debating about whether Waugh or Smith should be in the side.

George Smith is arguably Australia’s greatest ever openside flanker, and possibly one of the ten greatest Wallabies of all time.

That Phil Waugh didn’t play for the side more often was quite unfortunate for him, but balance in the backrow is paramount.

3. Peter Lucas

Peter Lucas was the shock omission from the 1984 Grand Slam Tour.

It’s unlikely that Lucas would have played a Test in the UK, as Australia possessed two players of exceptional talent in Steve Tuynman and Ross Reynolds. However Lucas was held in high enough regard that his omission came as a surprise to many.

What was the genesis of Lucas’ omission?

Lucas played a tremendous role at eightman during the 1982 Tour to New Zealand. Australia were severely undermanned as a result of ten Queenslanders withdrawing from the tour.

Australia only possessed one way of attacking the All Blacks, and that was to run the ball at them. Australia did not possess the forward strength to win the series in New Zealand, and only a smallish backrow that could cover tremendous distance at speed, and possessed ball skills, could assist Australia in being competitive.

Watch, if you will, the greatest try in the history of Australian rugby in the second Test. Who was it that passed the ball to Duncan Hall, who then passed the ball to David Campese? Peter Lucas. His coverage of the ground was tremendous.

Despite losing the series 1-2, the 1982 Tour to New Zealand was a smashing success for the Wallabies, who scored more points on that tour than any other Australian side that had previously toured New Zealand.

But Lucas’ continuing presence in the side made little sense, given how similar Peter Lucas, Simon Poidevin and Chris Roche were.

Lucas fit well in the side when Australia had no option but to run the ball. But the backrow of Lucas-Poidevin-Roche did not have the size or strength to sustain itself.

Prior to the two-Test series against France in 1983, Australian coach Bob Dwyer controversially dropped Peter Lucas for Steve Tuynman, allowing Tuynman to make his debut for Australia.

Steve Tuynman is one of the greatest eightmen Australia has ever produced, and definitely the most dynamic.

However, this was not the Steve Tuynman of the 1984 Grand Slam Tour, or the Steve Tuynman who may have been Australia’s second best player on the 1986 Tour to New Zealand (behind Farr-Jones).

In fact, Tuynman’s selection by Alan Jones in 1984 surprised many, given that Alan Jones (a former Manly coach) had one of his Manly players, on form, at his disposal – Ross Reynolds.

It mattered little. Lucas simply couldn’t be selected in 1983. Dwyer made the right decision. He also couldn’t be selected in 1984.

2. Chris Roche
Chris Roche is even unluckier than Peter Lucas.

While I wouldn’t call Roche an “underrated” Australian rugby player, he most certainly was unfortunate not to play more for Australia, as I’ve already stated.

Commenting upon the 1981-82 Tour to the UK, former Wallabies centre and wing (and Roche’s close friend) Michael O’Connor once stated that:

‘Right from the start there were two factions. It wasn’t NSW and Queensland, but you had the old school and the younger group.’

Players were selected more on reputation than on form. A prime example was utility Mitchell Cox, who according to several reports, demonstrated excellent form throughout the tour. And yet Paul McLean was selected at inside center for the Test against Scotland.

In Michael O’Connor’s autobiography The Best of Both Worlds, writer Brett Harris documented that, “Michael observed some of the players who had missed Test selection becoming ‘bitter and twisted’. Chris Roche, Steve Williams and Mick Mathers drowned their disappointment by downing two and a half dozen cans of beer in a hotel room.’

Roche wasn’t selected, despite good form.

However, following a 45-6 victory for Queensland against Scotland, the entire Queensland forward pack (Roche included) was selected for the first Test against Scotland in 1982.

Roche quickly entrenched himself in the side, ascending to the role of vice-captain within two years.

However, prior to the 1984 Grand Slam Tour, Australian coach Alan Jones removed the vice-captaincy from Roche, bestowing it upon Manly second-rower Steve Williams.

His intentions were clear. David Codey was going to be selected as a flanker on the 1984 Grand Slam Tour, and the remaining flanker position would be a contest between the wonderful Simon Poidevin and Chris Roche.

Roche was arguably quicker and had better ball skills. Poidevin was taller and stronger. Jones wanted height and Poidevin possessed it.

Poidevin prevailed, and played a phenomenal and crucial part in Australia’s success on the 1984 Grand Slam Tour, playing some of the best rugby of his career, as I’ve previously documented.

To his credit, Roche was selected for one Test against Ireland, and made a key contribution to Australia’s victory, in what was Australia’s toughest match on tour.

But Roche appeared to see ‘the writing on the wall’, and one of Australia’s best ever flankers was soon lost to rugby league.

1. Jeff Miller
In early 1991, Jeff Miller put in a career-best performance against Wales, which Australia won 63-6. Miller was the unanimous choice for man of the match, by all rugby critics.

Then Australian coach Bob Dwyer did something shocking.

The reigning Five Nations Champions, England, were touring Australia with a fantastic backrow containing names like Dean Richards, Mike Teague, and Peter Winterbottom.

Fearing the power the English possessed off the back of the scrum in attack, Dwyer controversially dropped Miller for Simon Poidevin, claiming that he needed Poidevin’s size and strength to combat the strength of the English backrow.

Forever to his credit, Dwyer got things right. Australia’s 40-15 win against England in early 1991 has been touted as the greatest performance by an Australian side in history.

Australia’s backrow was highly praised for establishing a continuity of play between forwards and backs.

Who was Australia’s best rugby player in early 1991? Was it Nick Farr-Jones? No. Was it Michael Lynagh? No. Was it David Campese? No. Was it John Eales? No.

It was Tim Gavin.

Then disaster struck. Gavin suffered an injury, throwing Australia’s World Cup aspirations into a downward spiral.

Rather than bringing Jeff Miller back into the squad, Dwyer selected Troy Coker for the second Bledisloe Cup Test of 1991. Coker was one behind Sam Scott-Young in the Queensland side. However, Scott-Young was injured and so Coker made his Test debut against New Zealand.

In his autobiography The Winning Way, Dwyer notes that Coker, “had not been too impressive then… (p. 142)

What was the solution Dwyer sought to this problem of compensation for an injured Tim Gavin? In The Winning Way he explains:

One problem remained unresolved – how best to fill the number-eight position left vacant by Tim Gavin. We experimented in this match by putting John Eales there. Although Eales had played all his senior representative rugby at second row and had been excelling in this position, he had nevertheless played more often at number eight over the whole of his career. The experiment was not successful. Eales shaped up well in some respects, but he was certainly no Tim Gavin.

Following Eales’ stint in the number eight jersey, Jeff Miller was quickly returned to the starting line-up.

However, following Australia’s near escape against Ireland in the 1991 World Cup Quarter-Final, Australia’s selector John ‘Knuckles’ Connolly said to Wallaby coach Bob Dwyer, “If we choose that same forward pack, we will be presenting the match to New Zealand.”

Jeff Miller must be ranked among the most unfortunate Australian players of all-time, because while his form dictated that he should be a starting player in the 1991 World Cup team, the simple fact was that the combination of Ofahengaue-Poidevin-Miller simply wasn’t a balanced backrow – it had neither the sufficient height nor weight.

On form, Troy Coker didn’t deserve to be selected. However, the first half of the World Cup semi was one of those days where everything went right for Australia. Coker put in a career-best effort. He played the game of his life.

Watch, if you will, just seconds prior to Campese’s famous diagonal run that turned John Kirwan inside out, Troy Coker absolutely launching his body into the ruck, allowing Farr-Jones clean possession to throw a bullet to Campese. Campese has the vision and the anticipation to slide into the five-eighth position and attempt a ridiculous angle to run at.

Coker gave the Wallabies the required balance in the backrow they so sorely needed. Australia went on to win the World Cup.

The Crowd Says:

2017-04-16T01:46:29+00:00

Frank O'Keeffe

Guest


There are lots of mistakes in this article. Firstly, Queensland beat Scotland 12-7 in 1982. Secondly, Troy Coker didn't make his debut in 1991. He made his debut in 1987 during the World Cup. He regained his position four years later in 1991. Lastly, it's often stated that Steve Tuynman made one of the greatest debuts in Australian history in 1983 against France. In hindsight, it's questionable why Tuynman was dropped for Reynolds during the 1984 Bledisloe Cup Series. I apologise.

2016-09-20T17:11:38+00:00

Timbo (L)

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I was referring to a Tah's Coach/Selector, Tah's ARU Prez. Randwick was from O'Conners day but the concept is the same. I am with you, it is a vicious circle. A weak 10/12 needs a strong defender to cover them - Hooper. A weak 7 needs a strong 7 to cover the missing 8 needs a 4,5,6 combo to cover the gaps - the scum, maul, line out and pick and drive. The Fix: Get a strong 12 (Hodge) Drop Pooper and the Forward back repairs its own holes. Observation: Most back rowers wear scrum caps because of the work they do, Hooper doesn't need one because he doesn't do "that" sort of work.

2016-09-17T23:11:51+00:00

Morsie

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If the question is "who do we have as a long term raw boned hard tackling hard headed player for the No6 position"? - after last night's performance I'll start a move for Coleman to 6. He is the long term answer. We have a few good locks in the country, Simmons, Arnold, Douglas, Skelton etc. Other potential 6's are Hannigan and Timani. Then Holloway at 8 - that would be a monster scrum and a cloud touching line-out. Lets get some real beef into the back row. McMahon and Hooper to cage fight for the #7 jersey.

2016-09-17T10:00:02+00:00

Frank O'Keeffe

Guest


Sorry, you are right. Poidevin notified Bob Dwyer about Willie O after a match Sydney (deplated of Wallabies) played against France in 1990. Willie O made his debut in the first Test against the All Blacks, scored a try in the second, and won the third.

2016-09-17T09:25:34+00:00

Beans

Guest


I understand what you're getting at but Hooper is a Marlin so saying its a Randwick cabal is a bit if a stretch. Furthermore, of late, Sydney Uni have been the dictators of NSW Rugby and if there is any supposed fiefdom controlling selections you'd have to say its Uni based. That aside, the issue with Hooper is he is a "luxury player". By that I mean he's the type of player that adds value when everyone else in the pack is fulfilling their roles and can cope with picking up some of the slack he leaves (breakdown presence, weight in tight, scrummaging). The Waratahs can get away with it (just) but the Wallaby pack has too many holes, right now, to justify his ongoing selection. I know his role is primarily seen as the first line of defence in lieu of Foley/Cooper/Beale being unable to perform a key aspect of their JD but that leaves too much of a gap in the pack at test level. Until we find a 10/12 who can defend and an 8 that carry, move bodies and jump then, I'm afraid, he's superfluous to our needs right now as a starting 7.

2016-09-17T07:46:27+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


But he still was making a bad brain explosion every game or two.

2016-09-17T07:06:44+00:00

Wozza

Guest


Willie O only ever played for Manly and never played with Cheika at club level

2016-09-17T06:41:58+00:00

Bobbles

Guest


And they were wrong too, and thus were sacked for their poor coaching record..

2016-09-17T02:47:24+00:00

Timbo (L)

Guest


Frank, Great Article, an insight into the history and requirements of a back row. I have always been skeptical about people telling me that there was Randwick/Tah's cabal but seeing it in O'Conner's book makes it seem less like a conspiracy theory and more like an old boy network. It is also great to see an article that recognizes that the back row is a "Combination". It has a collection of skills with resulting combination being more important than any 1 player, no matter how great they are. It is greater than the sum of it's parts As to the elephant in the room - "The Pooper": does it work? Is it worth it? I have made no secret that I don't think Hooper is Australia's best #7 on overall merit. Gill, Pocock, Hodgeson, MacMahon, Jordy Reid, Butler are all better when evaluated against the traditional requirements of a #7. I would put a couple of #6's and #8's on this list as well. So why is he in the team? Conspiracy theories aside, on paper, when coupled with a genuine #7 he provides an unrivaled 1-2 punch combo in defense and attack. The Raw stats look pretty good as well. In practice, it worked for a while until world rugby figured out how to attack and defend against it. The vulnerabilities of missing #8 skills have been exploited.. Chiek has already shown that Pocock isn't a key ingredient, successfully replacing him with MacMahon to fill the Genuine #7 role when Pocock was injured. In reality it is the "Hooper + an actual #7" Combo. Frank speaks of specific requirements for the back row combo - All back rowers are mobile, agile and fast to and effective at the breakdown. He lists Height/Lineout Jumping, Size and Ball running as key features required by the combo. These are common in 6's and 8's, but less prevalent at #7, a common compromise to allow for speed to the breakdown. Logically, you can stack the back row with 6's and 8's if you are prepared to sacrifice a a bit of speed. England Do it. A good 6 (Like Fardy), fast to the breakdown good wide attacking runner would be a candidate. The converse is NOT TRUE, Stacking a team with #7's compromises the scrum, the Line out and ball running - Core requirements of the back row combination. Strong international sides have figured out how to pick up the "Pooper" from the field. Continuing the strategy is a TERRIBLE IDEA. This is my analysis why NOT to do it - assuming great players. Here is where I get blunt and insensitive and begin my Hooper Bashing. I should premise this with the fault is with selectator, not the player. (Yes, I made up a new word) Hooper's Fetching, Scrumaging, Ball retention in Contact, Breakdown Protection and clean out skills are woeful compared to the alternative choices. These are 5 out of the 7 core skills required by all back rowers to be considered for a position. Adding these to the lost skills by swapping an #8 for a #7 WE ARE MISSING AN ENTIRE BACK ROWER. Is this sacrifice worth it for the 1-2 punch combo and the attacking speed we get out wide? Is it worth burning out the rest of the forwards who have to compensate for the missing man? NO, NO, NO, NO and NO! Unless it done for Liam Gill, whom has most of the #8 skills, genuine speed an surprisingly accurate boot . Looping back to the article on the back row combination:. The Pooper Combination is Flaccid and can't fill all the gaping holes left by it. Hooper + Genuine #8 would be Better Pocock + Genuine #8 would be Best A Fardy, Gill, Pocock combination would be devastating - a potential All Black Killer (A bold Statement, I know). Assuming a cabal - Hooper - Gill? We should have Gill back in time for the RWC and hopefully the Randwick Cabal will have been broken up and balanced selectors an worthy coach making smart player and position choices will have been installed And before anyone starts bleating about Hooper's stats to dispute my rant, please ask yourself if they were made as a back rower or an outside centre/wing. Also what is the quality of each stat?. Were the tries scored from the wing or through traffic in the forwards? Was the ball lost after the run meters were gained? Were the tackles on forwards or backs? Were they tackle assists after the original tackle was made. Was the tackle made after the player had evaded him him Were the Pilfers a result of another players work? Please include tackles NOT attempted like the one NOT made on Warren Whiteley.in the 3rd minute of the last game. Or when Julian Savia ran down the unmanned #7 channel in the second Bledesloe. Note: in my opinion missed tackles are still attempted tackles and need to be put in context to be called a good or a bad stat. Most back rowers have High number of total tackles attempted, the success rate is between 50 and 75%. Hooper's has much fewer attempts and a much higher success rate. One could imply that he only attempts the easy tackles, Leaving the tough ones for Pocock. This supports what I have seen watching the games.

2016-09-17T01:52:39+00:00

ForceFan

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Liam Gill played the last of his 15 Tests in 2013. I suggest that his much improved form in SR during 2015 & especially 2016 was essentially ignored despite getting in the initial 2016 expanded squad. He was likely dropped as he was already going to France. Big loss for the Aussie game especially with Pocock having a break.

2016-09-17T01:41:00+00:00

eagleJack

Roar Guru


As did Deans and McKenzie.

2016-09-17T01:31:10+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


Yeah Nigel, I'm a Liam Gill fan. I think he is the truest no.7 we have but obviously Cheika has other ideas.

2016-09-17T01:29:16+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


Yeah Frank, Your memory of 1991-92 is accurate. I thought the 1992 backrow of Gavin, Wilson & Ofahengue was obviously better than the 1991 backrow of Coker, Poidevin & Ofahengaue. I was a huge fan of Wilson, who I thought was a more genuine & therefore better openside flanker than Poidevin. And of course, Willie O bought a dynamic physicality to the Wallabies that had been missing since Codey's retirement. I think somewhere Dwyer said if you married the first half of the 1991 quarter-final against the ABs in Dublin with the 2nd half of 1992 against the Boks in Cape Town, you would have the perfect Wallabies game.

2016-09-17T00:35:56+00:00

Timbo (L)

Guest


6:2 Bench?

2016-09-16T23:31:07+00:00

Frank O'Keeffe

Guest


http://www.theroar.com.au/2016/09/16/ten-great-simon-poidevin-moments/

2016-09-16T14:48:40+00:00

Robbo

Guest


Once upon a time, Robbie Deans used to run Gill off the bench and play him at 6 for the last 15 minutes in a double fetcher role and it used to work a treat.

2016-09-16T12:56:42+00:00

Goldenaxe

Roar Rookie


Corney was our coach in the mid 80's in Toowoomba in the Darling Downs competition. He made us run up Mt Lofty - sprint from one telegraph pole to the next and then jog to the next and then sprint again. All the way to the top!!! He was was older than most of us but he would often came flying past us on the way up. He was driven! He always told us that fitness was the key prerequisite.

2016-09-16T08:59:22+00:00

Frank O'Keeffe

Guest


We Need Melon

2016-09-16T08:48:36+00:00

swifty

Guest


would love to have a Cockbain or Finnegan running around now. Or a Jim Williams. i remember hoping that McMeniman would be the next Cockbain

2016-09-16T08:36:29+00:00

Frank O'Keeffe

Guest


I agree 100 percent in your rankings, although it's difficult to split Kefu and Gavin. Gavin was Australia's best player in early 1991. Bob Dwyer admitted that Australia never reached the heights at the 1991 World Cup that it did earlier in 1991. And it's generally regarded that the 1992 outfit was even better than any version of the 1991 side. But Gavin's absence at the 1991 World Cup really messed with the Aussie backrow. In general play, Kefu may have been Australia's best player in the 1999 World Cup Final... although I think MOTM has to go to Burke for his awesome kicking at the sticks, that put a bit of distance between Australia and France. But the difference between Kefu and Gavin might be that Kefu played in a World Cup final and was a major contributor... that and he gave John Eales the perfect send-off.

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