Dan Carter at the centre of French rugby doping scandal

Not sure theres anything to defend Carlos. It was all within the rules and sanctioned by the UCI. Don't think there is any chance of stripping Wiggins of the 2012 TDF and awarding it to the second place rider Froome, who deserved to win the race. I've noticed that there are several hundred names on the TUE hacking list yet the Aussies have chosen to single out Wiggins, Froome, Biles and William sisters when there are plenty of other nations on the list. Could it be that contributors to this site have a chip on their shoulders with the Brits and Yanks which would explain all the whinging that goes on when you get beaten at sport. Did Agentina win any medals in Rio (on your own doorstep)

No, don't be confused. It is not a "nationalistic" rant. My most despised person is Diego Maradona. Despise him, no respect for him. Also, the one with the accurate "nom de plume" gets "steemed" (sic) by my comments regarding poor sportsmanship by the Pumas. I just don't like people that pretend one thing in the public domain and are not that clean. I prefer them not to talk so much and do the walk. Sky and Wiggins have been very successful in a very dirty sport and have been rather secretive, so it is no surprise that people get upset at suspicious behavior. CS do have a possible PED effect when used like the way Sky team used them on him.

I understand that under limits circumstances they may be of help. They do work. However, I think that it should be extremely limited It worked for my shoulder that time, I don't deny it. However, in contact sports they are abused.

Why would I bother you chippy Argie?!

As compared to upstanding forum members like you who are comfortable making generalised attacks against groups of people based on their ehnicity

Shane, The solution then is to point them out as trolls, not to troll back. I don't come in enough to remember the names of all the trolls (don't like them either), but getting into the discussion just feeds their intent. A good "go troll somewhere else" is response enough. Cheers,

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I goes both ways with fans from both sides peterk. Can't blame people too much considering John is blatantly trolling.

Agree in full Peter. I do tire of posters like John that invade forums like weeds. I seriously have concerns about people who feel joy by inciting the nonsense that follows. Makes following some interesting discussions about the game & related issues by posters that have an actual opinion difficult at times.

fair enough It is not about being parochial it is about how to civilly converse, there seems to be many who have a knee-jerk reaction to perceived or real criticism of a particular rugby team of all things that the response is to attack the messenger instead of debating the point. Similar way that trump debates as well interestingly enough.

Not meant that way Peter, just pointing out that it's not just AB fans that do it. I have commented enough times for you to realise that I don't support such parochial nonsense surely.

Hi Carlos, depends on the injury & the effect the cortisone will have & the risk of further injury. I had cortisone shots to get back on the field quicker when playing rugby. Had a few in the muscles around my shoulder that were fine & helped me heal up & get back out there. Had others after tearing tendons off the bone in my groin (yes that's as painful as it sounds) that I have little doubt ended up ultimately ending my career. I came back too soon & because I was running in an unbalanced way I ended up with damage in my lower back. I wouldn't be worried about getting the shots in muscle tissue to aid healing but would not get a cortisone shot into a joint for anything.

so others do it too justifies it, that old argument

Paulo, John is well known for making outlandish comments on here. I believe the responses are a reaction to his track record. His 'point' is merely an attempt to cause a stir. Arguing his point is pointless. I find making fun of his infantile post to be more entertaining. Peter K - I find the same occurs between Qld & NSW fans regularly as well.

it was a poor unfounded comment, but it is par for the course for a lot of the AB fans on this site to make personal attacks instead of just refute the argument / point made.

For example, this is just one notice: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bardet-amazed-by-wiggins-tues-ahead-of-grand-tours/ And also this one from the British press: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2016/09/25/sir-bradley-wiggins-tue-furore-team-sky-come-under-pressure-to-e/

Hehehe, I knew some whinging pom would come quickly to Wiggins' defense. It is rather interesting to read the huge debates regarding the TUEs for Wiggins and even Froome at coincidentally important time points in racing. Unfortunately, after so many cyclists have been found out and continuing to deny their actions, it becomes difficult to accept the sum of coincidences with Wiggins. IM triamcinolone for asthma or allergies right before the Grand Tours? He claimed in his book that he NEVER injected himself with ANY drugs and omitted his use of the corticosteroids in his autobiography. Oops! The cycling world, for good reason, is now highly skeptical. I understand. Oh, I never heard that the records were altered, only that they were disclosed. Please, send me the links to the alteration claims.

I don't agree with John, but find the weak personal attacks on him quite infantile. Argue his point (which is easy to do) instead of attacking him (which proves absolutely nothing).

You're very casual about claiming that Brad Wiggins has taken PEDs aren't you? I've seen you mention it a number of times on the Roar. He's no more a drugs cheat than any of the other hundreds of elite athletes who've had their medical records hacked and in some cases altered by a group of Russians with an axe to grind. You should be careful not to let your antipathy towards all things English cloud your judgement...oh right, too late on that front.

Don't worry he isn't an ex AB so the focus isn't on him.