2017 ladder predictions: Twelfth through tenth

By Liam Salter / Roar Guru

Hello again, Roarers! Having established the bottom third of my predicted 2017 ladder, it’s time to edge closer to the top eight, with positions twelfth through to tenth up for grabs.

Today’s article features a South Australian team and two of Victoria’s most prominent.

12th: Collingwood Magpies

In a nutshell, what’s going to happen?
Collingwood has (for me) probably been one of the most frustrating teams to watch in recent times. They’re the biggest club in Australia, but they’re so far from being the best.

Sadly, for their plenty of dedicated fans, I can’t foresee Collingwood breaking into finals contention in the coming season. It’ll be a similar season to 2016.

They’ll have good patches but ultimately the level of talent and organisation (or dis-organisation?) within the gates of the Holden Centre won’t allow them to compete for a finals spot against the teams above them.

On the team itself, it’s clear that their midfield is set. Adam Treloar, Steele Sidebottom, Scott Pendlebury – as well as the rapidly improving Brodie Grundy – means that they’re not short of talent in the middle.

The young Darcy Moore as well as veteran Alex Fasolo will anchor their forward line in season 2017. Where their biggest concern probably lies is their defence. They traded away some solid defenders, but neglected to bring any players of similar positions into the club.

It also shapes up as a hugely important year for ‘Bucks’ and Eddie McQuire. Why? Because a poor year, and I bet that the Collingwood crowds would be readying their pitchforks.

Most influential new player?
Collingwood had a somewhat confusing off-season, with much of their defence decimated. Nathan Brown and Jack Frost were shipped off to St Kilda and Brisbane respectively. Also leaving the club were the much-maligned Travis Cloke (who’s heading to the reigning premiers – whether or not this was a good move is an entirely other can of worms), Jarrod Witts and Marley Williams.

So, for all the departures, what did they gain? Fremantle’s Chris Mayne joined the Pies, as did the Kanga’s Daniel Wells and GWS’s Will Hoskin-Elliot. The latter two are decent – if ageing – players who will bring smidges of talent to the Pies. Hoskin-Elliot has the most potential here, provided he gets decent game-time.

Predicted surprise win of the season?
After being oh so close to defeating rival Hawthorn in the closing stages of the 2016 season (in what was, honestly, a bloody brilliant game), the Pies would definitely desire to win either their Round 9 home game against the Hawks or their Round 15 away match. They are both being played at the MCG.

They’d also strive to win their Anzac Day match against Essendon (although, I have already predicted an Essendon win in this game!)

Worst potential loss of the season?
While predicting specific losses this far out from the season is close to impossible, I’ll stand by my guess that Collingwood will lose their Anzac day match against bitter rivals Essendon. They’ll also want to avoid losses against other Victorian teams – notably Carlton, St Kilda and Melbourne (all three are teams whom the Pies lost games to in 2016).

Best and fairest winner?
To my surprise, the 2016 E.W Copeland Trophy didn’t go to the Pies’ brilliant recruit Adam Treloar. Instead, it went to veteran and Collingwood captain Scott Pendlebury. It certainly won’t be a surprise if one of the duo is awarded the prestigious award this year. However, I could go a little left-field and say that – provided he has a consistent season similar to the latter stages of 2016 – Brodie Grundy might be in with a chance.

Too left-field? Then lock in either Treloar or Pendlebury – for me, their hard to split, but a little intra-club competition couldn’t hurt, could it?

11th: Port Adelaide

In a nutshell, what’s going to happen?
Oh, how Port Adelaide have fallen. From a finding themselves a kick away from a grand final in 2014, Port have fallen out of the top eight in both of the seasons that have followed.

There’s no doubt, though, that they’ve got the talent, but can they recover? Nah, not in 2017.

In a similar season to the aforementioned Collingwood, Port will be average but nothing near finals-worthy, in a way that only Port and Collingwood seem to have specialised recently.

Port Adelaide absolutely has talent – names like Robbie Gray, Ollie Wines and Chad Wingard are names that suitably impress. But consistency is in no way, shape or form their strong suit, and for every wonderful, competitive game Port Adelaide play (last year’s match, even though they narrowly lost, against the Bulldogs comes to mind), there was a horrendous, disgustingly lazy loss (the late season match against the Swans).

So, it’ll be another year of close enough but definitely not good enough. And like so many his Richmond and Collingwood counterparts, surely Hinkley will be feeling the heat.

Most influential new player?
For the third year running, Port Adelaide had a pretty disappointing trade trading period. In fact, not one player either left or joined the South Australian club during the trading period.

We cast our eyes, then, to the draft. At November’s draft, Port Adelaide’s recruiting team managed to pick up a very solid key forward (Todd Marshall) and three midfielders with a lot of potential. As such, it’s hard for me to judge who the most influential new player will be. But nonetheless, it was an impressive draft haul for Port.

Surprise win of the season?
In 2016, Port Adelaide managed to suffer defeats in both of their Showdown appearances against the Crows. For the sake of nothing more than club (and supporter) morale, they cannot let that happen again this season.

Showdown results are notoriously difficult to predict, but I’m going to go out on a ledge and predict that Port will win a close one against the Crows – most probably during their home showdown early in the season in Round 3 – when the club will still be high on confidence of the new season.

Beating Hawthorn – in their Round 11 home game – would be another fantastic morale booster, particularly because it was Hawthorn that ended Port Adelaide’s 2014 campaign.

Worst potential loss of the season?
Losing in China against Gold Coast would hurt. Not to mention deeply embarrassing. But, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if it happened.

Best and fairest winner?
It was brilliant midfielder (and my personal favourite Port Adelaide player) Robbie Gray who took out the John Cahill medal last year, ahead of Ollie Wines and Jasper Pittard. It wouldn’t be surprising, at all, if Gray took out the award yet again this year – a pretty damning indictment, I reckon, on the rest of his teammates.

10th: Melbourne Demons

In a nutshell, what’s going to happen?
Tenth for the Demons? This was definitely one of the hardest calls to make, there’s no doubt about that.

Much like St Kilda, this is a team on the rise. But finals in 2017? I don’t think so. Don’t get me wrong, they’ve got an impressive squad; but I just am not as enthused about them as I am about St Kilda.

It’s Melbourne’s consistency that is the most worrying aspect of their performances for me.

Observing the three week stretch in August last year, the Demons beat Hawthorn and Port Adelaide in massively convincing fashion – before enduring two hopeless, utterly poor losses at the hands of Geelong and Carlton.

If this inconsistency continues into 2017, then I’m of the belief that Melbourne will be their own worst enemy: sabotaging themselves.

Still, there’s still plenty to be excited about: not least of which will be Simon Goodwin’s ascent into the coaches seat. And, who knows, if the Dees utilise 2017 as a year to perfect their formula, come 2018 Dees fans might just have to put off their ski trips for a few weeks when their club inevitably returns to the finals mix.

Most influential new player?
Melbourne had a very good trade season according to most. The big, most prominent signing was of course Jordan Lewis. After his surprising defection from the Hawks, the veteran midfielder arrives to provide an added pair of experienced hands to the Dees young playing brigade. And they got him for so cheap, which means that they barely compromised their draft picks! Win-win, in my eyes. Melbourne also snared seasoned Essendon defender Michael Hibberd, and GWS youngster Pat McKenna. But it’s gotta be Lewis who gets the nod as their most influential new player.

Surprise win of the season?
As mentioned below, the Demons must be focusing all their efforts and energy into defeating rivals St Kilda. They haven’t since 2007, and Round 1’s Etihad Stadium match-up would be the perfect opportunity for them to break that duck. Well, that’s what they’ll be hoping. An (oddly) more attainable win might be their round 7 match-up against Hawthorn – after

Worst potential loss of the season?
They couldn’t possibly lose to the Saints again, could they? Well, yes, they could. One loss to the Saints would be bad, but lose both 2017 games against St Kilda and the Demons would be resigned to yet another year where their devastatingly brutal losing streak against the club haunts them.

Furthermore, it’ll be disappointing for Melbourne to lose to Collingwood this year – something they’d be desperately hoping to avoid after comprehensively beating the Pies in both meetings

Best and fairest winner?
Jack Viney got the nod as Melbourne’s Keith ‘Bluey’ Truscott Memorial Trophy winner for 2016, ahead of admirable captain Nathan Jones and the brilliant Max Gawn. But, for me, there’s only one person who could take out the 2017 best and fairest, and that’s big ol’ Gawny.

The ruckman had an incredible 2016, and all eyes will be on him to see if he could better that in 2017. And if he doesn’t get it? Um – nah, it has to be him. They’ll have to create an award for him then. Best beard on Melbourne’s squad, perhaps?

My ladder, up to this point, is as follows
10). Melbourne
11). Port Adelaide
12). Collingwood
13). Essendon
14). Richmond
15). North Melbourne
16). Carlton
17). Gold Coast Suns
18). Brisbane Lions

The Crowd Says:

2017-03-26T08:24:28+00:00

#TheMightyHawks

Guest


Rnd 1 has nearly finished so i know that some teams are pretty good. It may surprise you but... Port Adelaide beat Sydney 82-110 also Melbourne has got Jordan Lewis one of the 5 stars of the Hawks in 2016 and they have nearly gotten to the finals for last year (came 11th) and they beat St Kilda (9th) by 30 points. Also, St Kilda 9th because of last year they nearly made it to the finals. :) But i totely understand your thinking because you wrote it in Feburary when the season hasn't even started yet. 1. Adelaide 2. Port Adelaide 3. Hawthorn 4. Giants 5. Bulldogs 6. Geelong 7. West Coast 8. Melbourne 9. St Kilda 10. Sydney 11. Richmond 12. Essondon 13. Fremantle 14. CollingWood 15. Carlton 16. Nth Melbourne 17. Brisbane 18. Gold Coast

2017-03-04T03:20:49+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


Which player was that? Sandilands? Alex Pearce? Bennell? Johnson? Morabito? Balantyne? Barlow? Balic? Apeness? Silvagni? Taberner? Mundy? Clarke? Griffin? Yarran perhaps? Clancee Pearce? To whom were you referring? Only 2 (jokingly) refer to it as "tanking".

2017-03-04T01:23:15+00:00

BillyW

Roar Rookie


Love how Freo fans explain away terrible year and average list as "tanking" ....if you have to tank because one player goes down, you're in trouble!

2017-03-04T00:53:43+00:00

BillyW

Roar Rookie


"Can’t see the Hawks missing the 8 – they are too well run and coached." Well Swampy AD has them, so far, in nearly every teams "Surprise win of the season" if that happens they could finish dead last!

2017-02-11T15:38:18+00:00

dave

Guest


Haha I love how people think Freo are as bad as last season,ever heard of tanking? Seriously after we lost to carlton and with our best player out for the year we had two choices. 1 play all our seniors and battle it out to maybe finish 9th. 2 get some games into the youngsters and finish as low as possible to improve our cards at the draft table and then have a red hot crack at 2017. You should get a job at AFL telling people tanking doesn't excist. Freo will finish between 6th and 4th spot. Melbourne between 12th and 8th.

2017-02-11T15:06:52+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


So AD, here are my tips; 1. FREO 2. MEL 3. WC 4. WB 5. GWS 6. AC 7. SS 8. COLL 9. GC 10. NM 11. ESS 12. ST K 13. GEE 14. HAW 15. RICH 16. PA 17. BL 18. CARL Happy to justify them if they meet with disdain.

2017-02-11T14:23:51+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


Remember, AD, this is the last team to beat the reigning premiers...and they did it with half the squad out.

2017-02-11T14:16:31+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


Two years ago, they were minor premiers. Last year, all they lost was McPharlin but they had 7-8 best 22 out every game...quite often over 10 best 22 out out. Those players are back...plus the recruits. We have lost Pav but he was not a great factor in the past 2 years. McPharlin will only be replaced fully when Alex Pearce is back fully fit...but we have cover there with Hambling and Logue...and a number of others. So, the 2015 minor premiers, with a wealth of new players of substance and the youth with games under their belts...this is a substantially better squad than 2015. The team will be comfortably top four...most likely top 2. No team comes close to service from Sandi to a midfield of Fyfe, Mundy, Neale, Bennell and Stephen Hill (who will explode as an inside mid this year). The other 3 midfield guns to emerge this year will be Blakely, Tucker and Balic...especially Tucker. Then there is the speed and delivery of Weller, Brad Hill and Langdon on the outside. That service to a forward line of McCarthy, Apeness, Walters and Ballas (with no broken jaw now) will delight Freo fans.

AUTHOR

2017-02-11T13:24:25+00:00

Liam Salter

Roar Guru


Cheers Justin. Yup, it's extremely difficult to predict, but I'll take it in my stride if I get some of these wrong. Besides, where's the harm in writing about the sport that we all love? :) Yeah - Collingwood, Melbourne and Port all certainly have a hell of a lot of potential (the Demons probably more than the other duo) but I can't realistically foresee any of them making the finals, for varying reasons. I can't write them off in the years to come, though.

AUTHOR

2017-02-11T13:21:29+00:00

Liam Salter

Roar Guru


Don, where do you (honestly and realistically) see Freo in 2017? I've got them 9th, and it was really hard to toss up between them and the Demons for that spot. Obviously though it is impossible to predict.

2017-02-11T07:03:34+00:00

Justin Ahrns

Roar Guru


Top 8 here is pretty accurate I reckon Swampy. Not so sure about Pies down at number 17, and as a Crows fan I rate us as a top 6, top-4 team if we get lucky. Would love to see Melbourne push for the eight, could be pretty tight between them, St. Kilda and maybe Port Adelaide.

2017-02-11T07:01:31+00:00

Justin Ahrns

Roar Guru


As a Crows fan, we got very lucky in terms of health and draw last year, and still only managed 5th. I'm optimistic about top four this year, but it could still be a bit of a stretch. Also a little harsh on Hawthorn, but we'll see how the season progresses.

2017-02-11T06:59:18+00:00

Justin Ahrns

Roar Guru


Agree with your 10-12. As we all know its very hard to predict, but the Pies, Demons and Power seem to be very close to playing finals, but just slightly back of the pack.

2017-02-11T06:53:35+00:00

Sam Bunn

Roar Rookie


Gold Coast have a great chance of surpassing teams like Carlton, North and Richmond given a clean run with injuries. Still a talented list with an opportunity to possess a strong home ground advantage up at Metricon. However in saying that an injury free run seems to be something they're not capable of, lets hope they can give this season a real shake.

2017-02-11T03:27:06+00:00

peter chrisp

Guest


Mick an interesting ladder although it's difficult to predict everyone has their own ideas, as to who will improve and fail during the 2017 season and at the expense of Hawthorn out of the 8 now that would be fine by me, and with the improvements of the Saints & Melbourne you have landed both of them in the 8 which hasn't happened in quite a long time, being a Pies fan there are literally stacks and stacks of people which is fair enough that no doubt hate us and i can definitely understand that & it will never change. Either way looking forward to the season.

2017-02-11T02:15:24+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


Your glass is getting empty again, 13th. What do you see in Adelaide, Geelong, Hawthorn and Port that have them making the 8? In fact, what do you see in Port that has them above the bottom 3?

2017-02-11T02:04:07+00:00

13th man

Guest


As a fellow Dockers fan I admire your confidence yet realistically I think you probably have them too high. I think we will finish in this 10-12 bracket this year. Yes we get players back but it will be a building year before a real crack at the top 8 in 2018 or 2019 My ladder GWS Bulldogs Adelaide Geelong Sydney Hawthorn Melbourne Port West Coast St Kilda Freo Carlton Collingwood Richmond North Gold Coast Essendon Brisbane

2017-02-11T01:46:51+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


The only thing is that Lewis will be out of their best 22 very early. There is no way he is in their best 10 midfielders. His "leadership" will be restricted to training.

2017-02-10T22:50:10+00:00

Etc

Guest


The team of elite fitness specialists at Collingwood, has apparently devised an ingenious method to prevent Pies defensive players from suffering debilitating neck injuries; each player will be fitted with a customized flexible nylon/silicon rubber neck brace, in order to avoid potentially injurious jarring, as they continually watch the ball flying over their heads week in and week out.

2017-02-10T08:59:47+00:00

William Cornwill

Roar Guru


I agree ie Melbourne's consistency, but they have so much talent on that list and if they get it right could really push for a top four spot.

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