The Carlton Rebuild FAQ

By Ken Sakata / Expert

I tell people I’m a Carlton person. This is like telling people I’m dying. It’s a conversation killer.

“My dad was a Carlton supporter”, someone volunteers eventually, avoiding eye-contact. “Hang in there, buddy,” they say, patting me on the shoulder. I mention my favourite player, Levi Casboult. The silence becomes irretrievable. It’s worse than they thought. It’s spread to my brain.

Carlton are entering the second year of a rebuild. Or ‘re-tool’, ‘re-plump’, ‘re-stump’ etc. ‘Reset’ is currently the preferred term of the Carlton media team, lest ‘rebuild’ triggers a wave of self-harm on Lygon Street. The implication, though, is clear. There will be much bleeding. There will be much pain.

There are three phases to a rebuild. (1) First, you get the draft picks, (2) then you get the signings, (3) then you reach for a premiership. That’s how it worked in Scarface. That’s how it works in the AFL.

The last time, Carlton’s rebuild stuck to the script. They brought in (1) three number one picks, (2) a superstar signing (the god Chris Judd) to support (3) a flag tilt that hit its ceiling in the second round of the finals in 2011.

With the benefit of hindsight, a clear miscalculation was made. Over-performance by a list devoid of middle-grade talent was interpreted as a premiership list lacking in tactical direction.

A shock was attempted to revive the corpse. Mick Malthouse was brought in with much fanfare and even more expense. What happens next is a blank. I’m working with a psychiatrist to retrieve repressed memories from 2012–2015. There are clues. For starters, Malthouse is now coaching football on a game show.

Carlton just got pummelled in their first pre-season game. This is meaningless. Kym LeBois and Zac Fisher are four months into their first gig. Billie Smedts and Rhys Palmer are passing through the Carlton locker room on the way to a post-football life. In the first phase of the next rebuild, it’s important to revisit a process with more questions than answers.

Are Kade Simpson and/or Dale Thomas part of the next flag tilt?
Simpson was the best supporting member of the 2011 team, a step behind the core of Murphy, Judd and Gibbs. The hardy wing became an elite line-breaking half-back. In 2017, he is undisputedly the best member of Carlton’s line-up. At 32, he’d need for two things to go well – accelerated development of the next core and health.

At best, he’s the Bob Murphy/Matthew Boyd of the next flag grab. Current estimations see him more in the Daniel Giansiracusa mold — missing out by at least a year of two.

In countless alternate realities, some will feature a Carlton/Malthouse Grand Final. Some will feature a motivated Troy Menzel. None have a healthy Dale Thomas.

Should Carlton have traded Bryce Gibbs?

In principle, Gibbs should have been traded. He doesn’t fit the age profile of the next core group. He takes midfield minutes away from Sam Docherty. He takes a fair chunk of the salary cap. His best years will service Carlton’s worst.

When an elite player gets traded, the bounty of picks and assets in return rarely match up in value. The only time it’s ever happened is, ironically, the Chris Judd trade that Carlton definitively lost. (Still, it’s called the Chris Judd trade, not the Josh Kennedy trade, knowwhatI’msayin?)

Although the second-best Blues player today, Gibbs’ value to Carlton is a supporting second-tier player in 2020. Ultimately, that was deemed to be of more value to Carlton than the reported pick 13 + 75 on offer. Gibbs is a weird fit for 2017 Carlton, but Adelaide needed to cough up more.

What about Liam Jones?
Months after Liam Jones’ acquisition, Mick Malthouse described him as an “explosive animal“. My small sausage dog, Denzel, no stranger to gastrointestinal issues, has similar value to Carlton’s list.

Who makes up the next core?
Patrick Cripps, the nuclear version of Josh P. Kennedy, walks into the core of any team in the league. He is a clearance monster on the verge of being untaggable.

Sam Docherty, my pick for next captain, will replace Simpson as the quarterback of the team. So far, they’re the only sure things, which is worrying. Sam Kerridge (23) and Jacob Weitering (19) are promising, but need another season of exposed form.

Who makes the supporting cast?
The dream scenario is for former number one picks Marc Murphy, Bryce Gibbs and Matthew Kreuzer to form the next tier, an unexpected outcome of their intended promise. Premiership sides are defined by the quality of their second tier, but it will be a task to keep the three together for cap-friendly deals.

Where are the goals coming from?
At this stage, the forward-line looks like a combination of talls Harry McKay and Charlie Curnow, medium Jack Silvagni and smalls Jarrod Pickett, Sam Petrevski-Seton and Liam Sumner.

The average experience of that forward line is 7.0 games. The sample size is too small to have any meaningful opinion. It’s devoid of a star talent like Jesse Hogan
Matthew Wright may be too old to be part of the next challenging side but Brent Harvey, 67 years old last year, inspires some confidence in an older small forward.

Are things going to get better?
Rebuilds don’t exist in a vacuum. The Blues will have to put their list management against Melbourne’s and St Kilda’s, who are already on to the next phase of signing established players.

There is much pain to come. For now, there is Patrick Cripps, Dylan Buckley’s ‘third Oasis brother’ haircut, and ridiculous Kym LeBois goals in the pocket. By the end of the year, there will be more.

Yes, things will get better.

The Crowd Says:

2017-03-01T10:03:32+00:00

Tyler Hamsandwich

Roar Rookie


Enjoyable read Ken. Few laughs in there too. Solid analysis. However, do you seriously believe there is no star talent (like Jesse Hogan) to be found among the likes of Harry McKay, Charlie Curnow, Jarrod Pickett, Sam Petrevski-Seton? I would say they all have star talent. Silvagni could even be a star. Extremely exciting group and all potential match winners. It's a very premature assessment to say they aren't star quality. You said it yourself that they average 7 games between them. I'll have your crystal ball when you're done please

2017-02-27T21:48:21+00:00

Macca

Guest


Who said anything about club loyalty?

2017-02-27T21:31:18+00:00

Steve009

Guest


Agreed Buzz, I hate that term quarterback. Between the Americanism's and the afl rules committee, we won't recognize what was once Australian Rules football in a few year's time. I'm already a little confused and frustrated in what I'm watching these days to be honest.

2017-02-27T12:01:16+00:00

Aransan

Guest


Slane, you are still underestimating the importance of generalship in our game. This is a significant reason why Hawthorn has been so successful and not just because of one player either.

2017-02-27T11:41:33+00:00

Paul D

Roar Guru


Brisbane has won 4 of the last 5 against Carlton, just quietly

2017-02-27T11:39:55+00:00

Paul D

Roar Guru


I don't believe a word that falls out of a player's mouth about club loyalty these days. Opinions may vary on that front.

2017-02-27T11:30:05+00:00

Lofty

Guest


Agreed Brinnx. The club can only turn over some many players each year and has done a reasonable job at that. There are a few more set to go this year as well so more chances for the young guys. I think the club and most supporters know where the blues are at and playing the young guys is the only way forward. There will be some games which are not much fun to watch but bring it on.

2017-02-27T10:34:26+00:00

Brinnx

Guest


Concentrating on the youth who will make up the core for the next finals tilt, I agree Cripps and Doc are elite, Weitering will be there this time next year no doubt, just continues to impress. C Curnow, Silvangi and Marchbank will be 100+ games players at a minimum baring long term injury After that the jury is well and truly out, this year Carlton need to uncover some serious midfield talent and work on getting the forward line up and running. They have recruited as well as could be expected over the last two years for these areas, just a matter of wait and see who is up to it. There will be ups and downs this year no doubt, with the Blues not as good or as bad as some people like to hope/wish. Bring on the season proper.

2017-02-27T10:10:49+00:00

Aransan

Guest


Max, as a neutral observer I think Carlton will start to be competitive next year and will be in the running for finals in 2020. Patience will be important and I believe Carlton know where they are at.

2017-02-27T09:57:56+00:00

Macca

Guest


Max - it's impossible to say how long it will take, they could grab Fyfe plus a top 2 pick at the next of this year (perhaps fen get the 2 first round picks they were afte for Gibbs on top) and have SPS and Curnow emerge as elite talents (on top of Weitering and Marchbank) and be back in the game in 2018. I am not saying it will happen merely 3 years is a longtime in football

2017-02-27T08:34:28+00:00

Max

Guest


Since when do the Blues play Brisbane 10 times this season? Being objective, Carlton is at least 3 years away from being competitive and that will depend on the recruits living up to expectations.

2017-02-27T07:28:40+00:00

Col from Brissie

Roar Guru


Paul, why is Gibbs going to sulk? He has stated several times since the trade period that his request to go to Adelaide was purely for personal reasons and nothing to do with the club. He has stated he loves the Carlton Football Club and playing for them. I am sure that the club will be working with him to try to fix the reason (purely family related) but if at the end of the season he and his partner still want to return to Adelaide then once again Carlton will try to negotiate a deal with Adelaide or possibly Port. They will as would all clubs try to get the best deal for the club and it will be up to either of the Adelaide clubs to come up with that deal otherwise as a contracted player he will remain at Carlton.

2017-02-27T06:28:34+00:00

Slane

Guest


What a little champ!

2017-02-27T06:15:25+00:00

Macca

Guest


No need to apologise, I wasn't taking it personally even if you did mean me. My big issue with trading one of those players is it puts us in the position that hurt those exact same players development - pushing too much too soon onto youngsters - it would take a massive deal to make up for that. We will never know if the blues pulled the right rein for sure but I can't see it hurting us much. If the young blokes develop like I hope this year his incentive to move diminishes pretty quick so I think you are right about him seeing out his contract.

2017-02-27T06:14:34+00:00

The Original Buzz

Guest


Ok, I will accept half back as it is a good description for the position. Refuse to accept quarter back as an AFL term though.

2017-02-27T06:11:58+00:00

The Original Buzz

Guest


Bogan? How is that bogan?

2017-02-27T06:09:46+00:00

steve

Guest


Sorry Macca, wasn't referring to you at all mate with the comment I made. I simply meant that having a look at different Carlton forum pages, there are some real deluded Blues fans out there making some crazy predictions. I understand your view on holding onto Gibbs, and can see the plus and minus of him staying or going, I personally just would have bitten the bullet. I remember beginning of last season that Roar writer Ryan had said in an article that one of Murphy, Kruezer or Gibbs should have been traded in the 2015 trade period and I agreed with him then, still do. I think its done now that he sees his contract out until the end of 2019 though.

2017-02-27T06:02:58+00:00

Macca

Guest


he already knows he has one. http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2015-08-06/levi-meets-levi-aka-double-cobra

2017-02-27T05:59:29+00:00

Macca

Guest


Darren - exactly -"flawed" players are a lot of peoples favourite.

2017-02-27T05:48:29+00:00

Darren

Guest


Birdman: Why does your favourite player have to be the best?

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