Eleven talking points from NRL Round 7

By Scott Pryde / Expert

The Easter weekend of NRL action is in the books and what an entertaining one it was. Some tension and drama, a couple of high-scoring games, nearly a couple of comebacks. It really did have it all, so there is plenty to dissect in this week’s NRL Talking Points.

Could the Sharks go back-to-back?
It’s impossible right? In this day and age, with a trip to England ruining the pre-season, going back-to-back is absolutely impossible.

This year, it’s the Sharks turn to dispel the theory and based on their last fortnight, it’s hard not to think they are in with a chance.

They seemed to be holding their own early in the season simply going through the motions, but have turned up the last two weeks, not conceding a try against either the Melbourne Storm or Penrith Panthers, and to watch Chad Townsend and James Maloney bring their attack to life against Penrith was impressive.

It’s not going to be easy, but the Sharks seem to be in a very good position to make it happen.

Time for the five minute sin bin to come bacK
I haven’t written about it a lot, but it’s time for the five minute sin-bin to come back, to encourage the referees to use the thing.

A moment late in the contest between the Tigers and Eels on Monday saw James Tedesco held down by Tepai Moeroa after making a 70 metre burst with no cover defence anywhere near in position.

A quick play the ball there and the Tigers probably go on to win with a try in that set. Instead, Moeroa was penalised, the referee didn’t sen Moeroa off and the Eels came back to win.

I’m not a referee and can’t mind read what was being thought in the middle of ANZ Stadium, but a five minute sin-bin has a lot more chance of being used than a ten minute one in those scenarios, and if the referees aren’t going to use the ten, then we need the five.

It was a binnable offence, as all professional fouls are and it’s time for the games authority figures to start viewing it that way.

When does pressure go on Anthony Griffin?
The Panthers are struggling. Big time. Sure they have had injuries and suspensions, but a team with as much talent as they have shouldn’t be sitting two wins and five losses in any book.

The most worrying thing about the loss to Cronulla on Sunday was the way they attacked. Not that they leaked five tries and not their execution being horrific. It was the plan they were trying to work with.

It was shocking. They looked like a team with no direction and frankly, no idea.

Moses Mbye at hooker can be the answer to some of Canterbury’s problems
I’m not going to say Mbye at hooker can be the messiah and take Canterbury to the grand final, but he will definitely improve their chances of playing final footy.

It’s time for Des Hasler to make the switch. Unfortunately, Michael Lichaa is providing them with very little from hooker and it’s holding Canterbury back. It’s hurting their forwards, it’s hurting their halves and ultimately it’s hurting them on the scoreboard.

Against the Rabbitohs on Friday, there was a noticeable difference when Mbye was moved to hooker and Matt Frawley was brought onto the field to play in the halves.

It’s a large part of the reason Canterbury ran away with the game and if they are going to keep winning, then it’s a switch that needs to be made. Whether Lichaa keeps a spot on the bench or not is another question altogether, but you would suspect he will for a few weeks.

South Sydney won’t play finals footy in 2017
I’m prepared to call it now. The Rabbitohs are a long way off the pace and will not make the top eight this season. Simply put, they aren’t good enough.

Greg Inglis being gone for what is likely to be the season is only the start of their problems. Their attacking structure is woeful, their defence not much better and no matter what Adam Reynolds is able to produce, it won’t be enough.

I wrote before Round 1 Michael Maguire would be gone before the season finishes and my view hasn’t changed. They sit with a record of three and four, but their victories have been scrappy at best and with three of their next four being against Brisbane, Manly and the Storm, it’s hard to see them picking up many wins.

The Gold Coast Titans are the unluckiest team in the NRL, but don’t write them off for the finals yet
You just have to feel sorry for the Titans really. There is no team in the competition who have had worse luck so far this season, and it was heartbreaking, even as a neutral to watch them fall to the Broncos on Friday.

To be up with so many injuries and then to fight so bravely, only for it all to be undone by a charge down on the last play of the game – any Gold Coast fan could be proud of the effort.

Unfortunately, in this competition, effort and being proud isn’t enough. It’s a results driven business as much as anything else and the Titans now have just a single win from their first seven games, plastered to the bottom of the table alongside the Newcastle Knights.

But, don’t give up on the Titans in 2017 just yet. This is a club who only need to be somewhere near full strength and have a bit of luck go their way for results to start falling the right way up.

While their defence is at times inconsistent, they have an exciting attack with Ashley Taylor and Kane Elgey both displaying good form while Tyrone Roberts has proven to be something of an X-Factor at the back.

The Titans may not make the finals in 2017, but don’t write them off yet.

Melbourne get their attack right
Even if their defence lacked against the Sea Eagles on Saturday and was well below the normal standards, the Storm finally got their attack clicking into gear and sent another warning shot to the competition.

It hasn’t mattered to this point due to their incredible defence, but the Storm came into the round with one of the poorer attacking records, having only scored 104 points across six games.

That was in stark contrast to their defence which was the best by a considerable distance.

But against Manly, it was their attack that stole the show as they racked up 30 points in a dominant display. It was Cooper Cronk and Cameron Smith leading the show and getting back to their best.

The Storm have played in a lot of tough and poor weather games, so it was hardly a surprise to see their attack come to life and don’t be shocked if it keeps firing in the coming weeks.

Joseph Leilua and Paul Vaughan must be selected for the Blues
Time to open the Origin selection debate in these talking points. I’ve managed to avoid it for six weeks, but there are two players who are throwing their name in the ring time and time again, demanding selection in a Blue jumper.

Joseph Leilua, scoring another couple of tries for the Raiders on the weekend against the Warriors is fast becoming, if not already the most damaging centre in the competition.

No matter what people say about his defence, he deserves a run just based on his raw power and being able to run the ball out of his own end. It’s something the Blues have struggled with at times in previous series, and in terms of the field position battle, which has been so key across the last couple of years in Origin, Leilua could tip the balance in the Blues favour.

Paul Vaughan is the other man. The Dragons forward has been on fire to start the season and after a quiet 2016, the switch to the Red V seems to have done him the world of good. He is eating metres, holding his own in defence and is among the form front rowers in the competition.

The Dragons can go deep into September
Well, I never thought I would be writing those words at any point this season.

Let’s ignore the second half of the contest for a moment, because it wasn’t pretty for the Red V. They simply didn’t come out of the sheds.

But what we witnessed in the first half was attacking brilliance. Gareth Widdop is in the form of his life, the forwards are dominating and Josh McCrone is proving to be a handy option as a second playmaker.

That was all without Josh Dugan. 28 points in a half is no mean feat, and even though the Dragons played awfully in the second half, they sit top of the table after seven rounds and are well on the way to September.

John Asiata is a star of the future
It’s hard to go to far into the Cowboys performance. No Johnathan Thurston, a host of other players out and they still gave every Dragons supporter a heart attack in the dying stages (trust me, I know).

First things first though for the Cowboys and that’s securing the contract of regular interchange front rower John Asiata.

I’ve long been impressed by his style. He runs hard, tackles hard and knows a thing or two about ball playing at the line – and didn’t that come in handy on the weekend.

Coach Paul Green sprung a surprise on everyone, starting Asiata in the halves and particularly during the second half, he didn’t disappoint often looking more threatening than Michael Morgan.

Asiata is off contract at the end of the season and if the Cowboys don’t snap him up, someone will because he offers a heap of value and could be a future Origin player.

The Roosters snap a losing streak but still have plenty to prove
The Roosters broke a two-game losing streak on Friday against the Knights, but the jury is still out for the tri-colours.

Even though they started the season by shooting to the top of the ladder, they haven’t put in a performance that screams premiership favourites since they beat the Gold Coast Titans in Round 1, and losses to the Sea Eagles and Broncos were far from ideal for Trent Robinson’s men.

They were something close to convincing against the Knights though. Unfortunately, that is against the Knights and they need to prove it consistently before they are elevated to the status most had them at after the first month of competition.

Roarers, what did you make of the weekend? Drop a comment below and let us know.

The Crowd Says:

2017-04-19T04:06:28+00:00

Kevin

Guest


Great read thanks Scott. I am enjoying the Roosters poor form atm. Just say'n.

2017-04-18T12:34:07+00:00

steveng

Roar Rookie


You're 'Spot On' about Souths!

2017-04-18T05:28:16+00:00

Joe

Roar Rookie


Agree with your comments. Too much sideways running from the Panthers and going wide when they haven't earned the right to go wide. Was easy pickings for good defensive units like Storm and Sharks and I'd include the Dragons too in there. Just running around hoping for a gap doesn't work with the good defensive teams that come up in a line and swamp you once you've run out of support.

2017-04-18T05:15:18+00:00

Albo

Guest


Spot on Monkey ! I am a Panthers supporter and I too am amazed that nothing has been addressed here. Their attack is too flat and continually forced sideways, and their forwards are just not dominating the rucks in attack or defence. Much more is needed from their experienced guys like Tamou & Merrin and they really need a tough nut or two in the pack like a Josh Jackson or a Wade Graham to put some hits on . I think James Fisher-Harris might be one answer here, but seems he got hurt again by half time on Sunday ? They definitely need to toughen up, as the big pack bullies like Storm & Sharks just ran roughshod over them in the past fortnight, and the Dragons beat them up in round one.

2017-04-18T05:10:56+00:00

Agent11

Guest


The warriors had way more possession in the first half and should have been ahead by more. The old Raiders of 18 months ago would have lost that game meekly. I think Raiders fans (like me) would be happy with that performance.

2017-04-18T04:34:28+00:00

Albo

Guest


Spot on ! The Sharks have now "out Stormed" the Storm in the defensive strategies department. An the officials seem equally ignorant of them stretching the boundaries of the off side rule. Their defence was made even more destructive against the Panthers attack that continues to play way too flat and therefore placing undue amounts of pressure on their play makers and runners. Wade Graham & Luke Lewis gobbled them up with ease all day on both sides of the field.

2017-04-18T04:23:12+00:00

Albo

Guest


Leave Brailey on the field for the 80 minutes ! He is key to keeping their attack rolling forward with great dummy half work.. His defence is sound. He doesn't overplay his hand but is smart enough to take opportunities himself when warranted and back up his runners for the off loads. He is a massive talent who should be used for 80.

2017-04-18T03:52:13+00:00

Remo Shankar

Roar Pro


Great article Scott. I always find it amazing how a team like Penrith with so much talent continues to play a pattern of football that is so flawed. For a number of weeks now everyone can see that they're adopting a sideways touch-football style of play without setting up any kind of platform up the middle.' It's lazy and reflective of a lack of serious committment in mind and body. Just think of the difference Kieran Foran would make to the Panther's style of play. So if everyone else can see how is the coach not seeing it? Stop going on about 'poor execution' and 'being a long way from where we need to be.' How about something really simple like 'we need to run straight and hard' for at least 50-60 minutes of each game. That might at least be a start. I'm not a Penrith supporter, but I admire the talent in the team and at the moment it's a talented roster that needs some tactical direction big time.

2017-04-18T02:08:23+00:00

Magnus M. Østergaard

Roar Guru


HE certainly is Scott. Its also a good thing that him and Green have prior time together - both were at the Roosters before the Cowboys and Green took Asiata with him. That should help with his resigning as Cowboys are a real culture club built around stability. Morgan is fustrating, he needs to prove he isn't a one trick pony and take the team forward. I have a week left Scott, it will be a month the day after the Dragons play the Roosters in an ANZAC special. In saying that over the next 3 weeks the Dragons play 4th (Roosters), 2nd (Storm) and 3rd (Cronulla). This should be a real test for them, they have proven they can match it with Cronulla already but they will want to keep the form rolling on through and wont want back to back losses in any of these games.

AUTHOR

2017-04-18T02:00:23+00:00

Scott Pryde

Expert


Thanks for that Geoff. Sharks and Storm are going great guns, and what you say about Penrith - with their young side - could well be true. But I'm not even sure it's that. Their attack just looked so poorly organised it wasn't funny against Cronulla. I wrote as much about St George last week - noting the next month (Cowboys, Roosters, Storm, Sharks) would be huge in determining the season, but of course the Cowboys were understrength so that one was a bit of a write off. Still, I would like to think they will handle the next month pretty well. I couldn't work out what to make of the Raiders. On the one hand, they were tough and fought bloody hard during the first half, but on the other hand I didn't think the Warriors threw a great deal at them, and are still in urgent need of improvement. Given the Raiders have won three on the trot, it's starts to make you sit up and take notice, but playing Manly next week is going to give us a pretty fair idea of where they are at, particularly given the Sea Eagles will be desperate after a couple of losses.

AUTHOR

2017-04-18T01:54:52+00:00

Scott Pryde

Expert


There is little wonder Asiata has always been rated highly as a good ballplayer - it's something I've always been concerned about when he has played the Dragons, and loved to watch when he was playing anybody else. He is a pretty well-rounded footballer Asiata, and could and should develop into a real third half option in Townsville - that said, they need to get his contract renewed Agree about Morgan though - he didn't play well enough for a man who is going to be leading that side somewhere in the not too distant future. Also Vincent - reckon that month must about be over for the profile picture bet?

AUTHOR

2017-04-18T01:50:58+00:00

Scott Pryde

Expert


Thanks for that LMM, Could be right, but I do have to agree with Ken. I always thought Rein was pretty good, but seeing him not get near the 17 at Penrith, and the way McInness has played this year, it's reversed my opinion on what Rein did for the club. Benji certainly was a distraction last year, and I think him being gone is the catalyst behind Widdop's good form.

AUTHOR

2017-04-18T01:48:53+00:00

Scott Pryde

Expert


I don't mind that idea, but I still think the referees are more likely to use a 5-minute one, knowing the chance of a try in that time which could change the course of the game is dramatically reduced.

AUTHOR

2017-04-18T01:48:07+00:00

Scott Pryde

Expert


Thanks for that KT, Yep - benefited the defending team in a huge way that penalty on Tedesco.

AUTHOR

2017-04-18T01:46:50+00:00

Scott Pryde

Expert


Thanks Mark!

2017-04-18T01:26:42+00:00

Geoff from Bruce Stadium

Guest


Great summary Scott. I watched a fair few of the games over Easter but was particularly impressed by the Sharks. They were very strong against a very disappointing Panthers side. I thought the Panthers would have taken it right up to the Sharks given they had so many players back but they just couldn't handle the physicality of the game. I'm starting to wonder whether the Panthers are flat track bullies who love to play fancy football but fall away when the going gets tough. I'd have the Sharks and Storm as equal favourites at this stage of the season. I know the Dragons have won 6 out of 7 but I'm still not sure about them. They have the Roosters, Sharks and Storm in the next 3 weeks so that will show us whether they will be genuine contenders this year. The Broncos just did enough to beat the Titans who must have been incredibly gutted after the effort they put in on Friday night. The Broncos are definitely top 5 material with players such as Milford, Gillett and Jimmy the Jet able to turn a game. Not much mention in your summary about the Raiders. The Warriors played very tough in the first 40 minutes but to the Raiders credit their defence kept them in the game. If Croker hadn't managed to tackle RTS when he looked certain to score it could have been a very different story with the Raiders going to the sheds with an 8 point deficit. The Warriors were their own worst enemy in the second half with a lot of dropped ball which gave the Raiders too many opportunities. One thing that I noticed when I was at the game was the refs being completely oblivious to Warriors players not getting back 10 metres. They would wave their arms to get them back but I can hardly recall a penalty being given. To me this just rewards dleiberate spoiling tactics and/or lazy defence. My reaction when from anger and frustration to acceptance that nothing was going to change. On the other side of the ledger the Raiders weren't being policed that hard either so the result was fairly even handed. But is this what we want as a spectacle? I remember the Sharks using the exact same tactic in the semi final against the Raiders last year and they got away with it. The challenge now is for sides to find a way respond to these tactics as I don't think they are going to change unless refs are instructed to enforce the 10 metres more strongly.

2017-04-18T00:52:25+00:00

KenW

Guest


I think it's more about taking Rein out of the side. He was slow & inaccurate in his service from dummy half, McInnes is no superstar but he provides clean, consistent delivery and takes smart options. Everyone gets more time to play footy. Marshall was a distraction last year, in and out of the team and didn't help anything, but I don't think he was ever the main problem.

2017-04-18T00:46:24+00:00

KenW

Guest


And it has an effect on the attacking side as well. They are being swamped by offside players so they may have multiple sets but there's no clean ball.

2017-04-17T21:26:10+00:00

Magnus M. Østergaard

Roar Guru


Asiata had his dream come true on the weekend and you could tell, he was like a little kid in a candy store once the Cowboys got on the front foot in a set. Normally just needed to run the ball up the middle he finally got to live out the dream of ball playing forwards everywhere and starting in the halfback position. Greeny has often rated him highly as a ball player, so its probably something he has wanted to try for a while. The thing that impressed me most about it what the deftness and the simplicity of the plays that he was doing. He wasnt trying anything special or spectacular and then every one is amazed when its pulls off, it was calculated. The Little double pump, his big dummy. the deft crossfield chip. They werent this behind the back flick pass, it was calculated and precise. That being said Morgan needs to step up.

2017-04-17T21:05:40+00:00

Agent11

Guest


The Sharks are basically a less predictable Melbourne Storm, which means they are more dangerous.

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