Eleven talking points from NRL Round 9

By Scott Pryde / Expert

The NRL is ready for a breather with the representative round break, but before we get there we have another set of talkinng points to sink our teeth into after another big weekend of action.

Is Mitchell Pearce really the Blues best option for Origin?
Surely not. New South Wales can’t sidestep their way back into a side with Mitchell Pearce in it. It’s not going up and it’s not moving forward – it’s only looking back at a dark past. A past which involves one of 11 series wins.

Pearce hasn’t been a part of all of those, but it’s little coincidence the one series he missed, the Blues won.

Pearce is in superb club form and there’s no doubting that. The Roosters are sitting near the top of the table and his kicking game is on fire. He is hitting the mark every time and even kicked a field goal against the Dragons.

Anyway, the point is that it’s not the first time Pearce has been in good club form. He has done it before, only to fail at Origin.

But for Pearce to be overlooked, there have to be other options and unfortunately, it’s hard to see Laurie Daley turning to any of them.

Chad Townsend – maybe but probably not despite his combination with James Maloney, while the Raiders duo of Blake Austin and Aiden Sezer could be considered, but aren’t in great form.

If they aren’t in great form, then incumbents Matt Moylan and Adam Reynolds are in horrific form.

Pearce might be the answer, but no one is jumping out and saying ‘pick me.’ It’s like picking the least rusty fork with which to stab yourself in the eye. No one is winning – apart from Queensland of course.

Can Johnathan Thurston fix the Cowboys?
Of course he can, I hear you say. He is the greatest of all time. All will be well with the world when he returns. Right?

Wrong. Hear me out.

I have serious concerns about whether the Cowboys will make the eight this year. Coming into the season you would have been told to stick your opinion where the sun doesn’t shine if you had of said that. It doesn’t seem so crazy now.

The Cowboys, on the back of a pretty woeful performance against the Eels on Friday are now out of the top eight and despite injuries, it’s effort that’s the concerning factor.

Their defence looked gassed on multiple occasions against the Eels. Michael Jennings burnt them, Corey Norman burnt them and Clint Gutherson had a field day. Thurston isn’t going to be able to come in and fix that.

Nor is he going to be able to fix their inability to play for 80 minutes – they are team skills, not individual ones.

While Thurston might be able to fix their floundering offence, he is getting on and given the Cowboys have played six of their nine games at home, it’s going to be an uphill road to September.

I’m making the call now – The Cowboys won’t make the finals in 2017. You heard it hear first.

How long until Michael Maguire gets the boot?
Speaking of Adam Reynolds and his South Sydney Rabbitohs – wow are they in ordinary form. While the Sea Eagles were always going to be primed for a big performance against them, the Rabbitohs looked absolutely shell-shocked.

It was almost as if they hadn’t been on a training paddock in three weeks and didn’t know each other. Poor defence, poor attack, bad execution and a generally low-key effort.

Apart from a few bright spots, it’s beginning to sum up the South Sydney season. They are struggling – big time.

Michael Maguire is an interesting point though. He has been rumoured to have fallen out with the dressing room before this, over the years, but you have to remember only three years ago he won a premiership.

The fact South Sydney were close to full strength on the weekend though and still had 40 points run in against them – Maguire’s days, even if he lasts until the end of the year, are looking numbered at Redfern.

Sin-bin’s back, back again
The most inconsistently used device in a referee’s arsenal made its re-appearance on the weekend, with Kenny Edwards first sent to the bin for a slap, before Daniel Tupou was sent for a professional foul against the Warriors.

While it’s good to see it actually being used, we need to see consistency moving forward.

At the start of the season, it seemed the referees were going to do just that – use it on a consistent basis. Since then though, it’s gone through a hiatus for a few weeks where referees seem almost afraid to put players in the bin.

With a couple this weekend though, let’s hope its back for good and will be used for every professional foul, regardless of the game situation, which referee or any other factors that might come into play.

Foot of the mountains, foot of the table and 60 minutes to sum up the Panthers season
The scoreboard flattered Penrith in the end on Thursday night, but their first 60 minutes was among the worst performances we have seen from any team so far this season.

The Panthers were woeful. They looked like they wanted to be anywhere else bar Suncorp Stadium as the Broncos ran in 22 first-half points – and it could have been more before they went in again early in the second.

Penrith fans would have been disappointed with the level of defence and missed tackles if they were watching their Holden Cup team, such was the poorness of it all, while their rare attacking opportunities went up in smoke, much like Phil Gould’s five-year plan.

While they were robbed of a try in the first minutes of the contest, the Panthers never turned up to play and were handed an absolute shellacking, and it sums up their season.

Sitting with a record of two and seven if simply not good enough, let alone for a side who have enough talent to be challenging in September.

Something is badly wrong at the foot of the mountains.

The Broncos won’t lose another game before State of Origin
I’ve been pretty hard on the Broncos this season, which is something I have been told enough in the comments. I’ve been that way though because they genuinely haven’t impressed me that much.

What the Broncos do deserve credit for, apart from their smashings of the Sydney Roosters and Penrith Panthers, is their ability to get it done without playing fantastic football.

They have hung in matches, won plenty of close ones and now sit in the top four with a record of six and three as we head into the representative round break. That’s a superb effort to come out in so many close ones, and is typical of any Wayne Bennett-coached side.

What winning those close ones does tell you is that they are playing well at the death, despite what happened against the Panthers on Thursday when they let the visitors back into the match.

The run into Origin now sees them play the Sea Eagles, Tigers and Warriors, and it’s tough to see them losing. The side need every competition point possible before origin, and they should have another six in the bag before then – what would be good to see from a Broncos point of view though, is dominant wins, rather than scrapping it out at the depth and more of the attack witnessed against the Roosters and Panthers.

The Warriors sensational scramble defence
Well, I never thought I would be typing those words at any point this season. They were simply sensational against the Roosters during the second half.

The Roosters spent the better part of 15 minutes attacking right on their line and should have scored three or four times, but the Warriors came up with some brilliant tackles, scramble defence and managed to hang on.

In the end, it bought them the win as they got a penalty goal victory in the final minute. The Warriors of old would have let in three tries and been blown out.

While it’s hard to say this is going to be the new Warriors, they have to start somewhere and consistently defending like that with the attacking weapons they have could be the catalyst behind a push deep into September.

Could the Raiders miss the eight?
Keeping with the theme of setting myself up for failure this week, let’s explore the Raiders. Hell, we have already been through the Rabbitohs, Cowboys and Panthers just about writing them all off.

I’m not prepared to write the Raiders off in the same way, but there is a genuine chance they won’t play finals footy in 2017.

Their form is not where it needs to be, their consistency is non-existent and the loss to Canterbury heading into representative weekend hurts. It looked to be an attitude problem one, rather than an execution one and they need to work hard over the next fortnight, returning to the field with a renewed energy.

The Raiders do need a spark from somewhere. Aiden Sezer is solid, but Blake Austin isn’t nearly doing enough and their explosive combination of Joseph Leilua and Jordan Rapana have plenty to do.

I still think the Raiders are premiership contenders, but they need to turn it around in a hurry and worry about making the eight first.

Consistency, not flashiness now the key for the Titans
The Titans are starting to get the band marching now. A win against reigning premiers the Sharks away from home, then a smashing of the Knights yesterday.

It’s amazing how being at full strength can turn a team’s luck around.

The Titans never really should have been on the bottom of the table and you wouldn’t have known it watching them play understrength.

But after beating the Sharks last week with another gutsy performance, their attack was finally allowed to flourish during the second half of the match on Saturday against Newcastle, with Jarryd Hayne, Nathan Peats, Tyrone Roberts and youngster Ashley Taylor combining brilliantly.

While the Titans scored a lot of points on Saturday, they need to stick what’s worked for them – building their game around the defence and going from there, taking whatever opportunities to score that come from their effort.

The Sharks are there and abouts, but need to fire up after rep round
The Sharks spent a fortnight where they didn’t concede a try and it looked like everything was starting to come together for the reigning premiers push at going back-to-back.

Unfortunately, it’s starting to fall over for them. After the loss to the Titans last week, they then only just got over the Wests Tigers and put a performance that was enough to get the job done, but nothing more.

The Sharks are still playing well enough, but the last fortnight has been a bit tough for them and they need to come out after the week off and pick up some wins heading into Origin.

Melbourne are so far ahead of the competition it isn’t funny
No matter what you think of the referees, or decisions that came out of the Storm-Dragons contest on Sunday, there is no doubting how far the Storm are ahead of the NRL.

They are flying at the top of the table, and with their attack now flowing – which it wasn’t early in the season – on top of their incredible defence, it’s difficult to see how any team is going to be able to match it with them.

While they were beaten by Cronulla a few weeks ago, this is a team going on all cylinders, and the only problem appears to be the fact they may have peaked too early in the competition.

Roarers, what did you make of Round 9? Drop a comment and let us know as we head into the representative round break.

The Crowd Says:

2017-05-01T18:11:43+00:00

madmax

Guest


Scott, Manly have been a hell of a lot more impressive in their wins than the Broncos! Cowboys, Roosters, Dogs, Raiders & Rabbits......apart from a few hiccups & with a little luck in a couple of their matches Manly could be on equal points in 2nd place if not clear 2nd!! In any case I'm happy for everyone to continue to write Manly off. I think they will add Broncos to that list..........I wouldn't write the Warriors off either.

2017-05-01T18:01:24+00:00

madmax

Guest


What's that got to do with this article?

2017-05-01T14:43:25+00:00

William Dalton Davis

Roar Rookie


Jeez Scott. You just gave the warriors the death knell. "Starting to turn things around" and "the warriors" are as deadly a combination as bleach and ammonia.

2017-05-01T10:37:37+00:00

thomas c

Guest


The titans have a good team, and while so injury hit are often showing a real never say die attitude. At this stage, you might describe ash taylor as a 'precocious talent', but he really wants to steal Jonathan Thurston's mantle. He's there to win. If he can continue to develop and set the team attitude, they have a lot to look forward to. I don't think McGuire is that safe. I think he still has a team full of good players. Good hardworking forwards (s. burgess, Angus Crichton, jason clark) and still a decent spine. Even If you only looked at the 3 burgess brothers and the hooker, you'd think they'd have the go forward to have a platform for attack. The task is to adjust structure for the players you have, and work out why george burgess is so angry (while his brother seem composed by comparison). Somewhere out there Dave Taylor is watching George and thinking "well, that guy isn't living up to potential".

2017-05-01T09:52:52+00:00

thomas c

Guest


Pangai has also been good in injecting a lot of energy. The broncs do have an issue in halves depth, given that the backups are Nikorima, Benji Marshall (injured) and then a couple guys who i don't think have ever played NRL (scarlet, murphy?). They also have some fringe forwards injured (dodds, arrow). They need to get some defensive cohesion and team stability and be able to get onto the front foot. At full strength, the team makes a decent amount of sense. The lingering question is whether this is all they have or whether they can fire. Additionally, it's not a team with the level of vulnerability to injury of the cowboys or rabbitohs. THey could probably lose any one player for the season and rearrange to be strong enough to generally compete. A coach would at least be pleased that losing hunt didn't function as a reason to accept loss as foregone conclusion a couple weeks. It's teams that have capitulated of late that are of greater worry.

2017-05-01T09:13:29+00:00

thomas c

Guest


Melbourne looked good, but i felt like they had some friendly refereeing to begin with. THe wrestling is one thing in terms of slowing the play the ball, but i saw quite a bit of crowding, putting the knee into an area so the player has to slow down or take a step back. I also thought they had a couple favorable penalties and a couple of the passes on runs down the edges looked questionable. I think refereeing is massive. If the ref takes an extra second with each play compared to another ref (based on slightly different interpretations) or the 10 is enforced slightly differently, it tilts the balance away from teams that are based on attack. As for the broncs, they haven't been playing to their best, and since hunt got injured haven't had a substitute hooker to get on the front foot. Instead they've been putting a back on the bench for injury or HIA cover. It might be a strong argument for the NRL adopting a more flexible substitute policy, such as playing 4 out of 5 available subs, or having a utility for HIA cover (especially if the HIA is the result of illegal play). You don't want teams to stymie their own attack, but even at rep level (QLD, Aust), injury cover motivates the selection of michael morgan over a lightning fast hooker like jake granville or Damien Cook, who might break the game open and result in in more attacking player.

2017-05-01T04:33:53+00:00

Joe

Roar Rookie


Raiders v Storm is one of my favourite games now. Just really tough encounters because both teams really go all out. Wonder if its to do with the coaches being ex-teammates and wanting to get one over the other.

2017-05-01T04:28:53+00:00

Joe

Roar Rookie


There was some discussion on Hodkinson on one of the NRL show, maybe the Footy show. They were saying his knee is so bad he can't do a quick turn and it showed in the previous game in defence where they were just running past him so the coach had to drop him as he was a defensive liability in a team that's already at breaking point defensively.

2017-05-01T03:52:09+00:00

RJ

Guest


Agree, would love to see Morgan in the centers for Linnett (Coote to 5/8 when available again), Ponga at fullback and Bowen on the wing for Fedlt. That said the Cowboys need to find some 2nd phase play. They didn't fire a shot at Parra at any stage. I think the cows still have it in them but need to adjust their game plan too accommodate their lack of big men, make a few positional changes and hope that some rep footy helps Morgans confidence.

2017-05-01T03:13:02+00:00

steveng

Roar Rookie


'Souths……no GI' GI wouldn't make any difference at Souths, there are more deep rooted problems than just GI being absent!

2017-05-01T03:06:26+00:00

steveng

Roar Rookie


Kenny Edwards deserved all that he got and its about time that referees stamped down on this tapping and clapping when the opposite side makes an infringement. What Kenny Edwards did was plain dumb and not a good look for RL!

2017-05-01T01:06:20+00:00

The phantom bantam

Guest


A third of the way through the comp and it's time to get out the red pen.....teams who can't win the comp Newcastle.....don't have the troops Wests Tigers.......don't have the team spirit Penrith.........have a poor coach in Hook Griffin....and an even poorer manager in Gould, who has gone back to the drawing board to tinker with his 15 year plan The Dogs....too much disharmony Saints........on the start of their losing run North Qld.....too many injuries...particularly Scott missing Souths......no GI Titans.....poor start and lacking class Warriors......always fall in a heap Parra.....also fans Manly.......too inexperienced

2017-05-01T00:50:03+00:00

KenW

Guest


It was completely clear cut - Cronk made the decision to get himself sin-binned to prevent a next-play try when he was still 10m away from the (already made) tackle that he flopped into. Not only that but did you see the way he first pretended he didn't see the refs call, and then proceeded to wander 30m downfield before stepping over the sideline to give his team extra breathing time. It backfired with the Dragons getting on a role but Cronk knew exactly what he was doing through the entire process.

2017-05-01T00:48:04+00:00

Glenn

Guest


Well what can god, err sorry, Gus say? Griffin is his chosen man. They have been dreadful nearly all year.They also have a sombrero for a cap, Gus says their cap is full and still continue signing players. Maybe Gus's 5 year plan starts next year?

2017-05-01T00:40:22+00:00

Geoff from Bruce Stadium

Guest


Agree completely. Ricky gets a lot of credit for his recruiting but letting Vaughan and Barnett go were massive blunders. Perhaps they didn't get on with him. I was mystified and disappointed when they were both let go. Imagine tham coming off the bench in the heat of battle rather than Bateman and Priest. Bateman tries hard but he's too small and hardly bends the line. Dave Taylor has had a claf injury which has taken time to mend. I'd have Taylor and Lima on the bench rather than Bateman and Priest. Bit unfair on Jack Wighton. He's terrific in defence and has been chiming in to the attack better but is till prone to the odd mistake. I don't think he's been as bad as last season. I like Santo also. I'm not sure Clydesdale offers much off the bench and Ricky seems reluctant to use him so why have him there? Santo has great speed. Why not use him in a running role?

2017-05-01T00:37:29+00:00

Moonshot

Guest


Jordan Mclean as a replacement in the Kangaroos - are they trying to slow the Storm down because he wont make SOO will he??

2017-05-01T00:31:49+00:00

Geoff from Bruce Stadium

Guest


Great summing up Joe. Thought Souths were reaslly disappointing on the weekend but Manly were brilliant - particularly Dylan Walker and the Trbojevic brothers. Interesting points you make about the Storm. Despite all the injuries they've had they still manage to perform at a consistently high level. All the players buy into Bellamy's philosophy and coaching style. I'm really disappointed that I'm going to miss the Raiders game against the Storm in Canberra in July. It's one game I always really look forward to. Such a challenge. It seems to bring the best out of the Raiders these days. So many teams can still make the 8. Makes for a really interesting comp.

2017-05-01T00:25:10+00:00

kk

Roar Pro


Hi Scott, Legs eleven and a pleasure to read each and every one. 111/111. re sin bin The people clad in YOUI will change the prevalence of their sin bin disciplines in line with the shirt colour of the day. Fashion plates!

2017-05-01T00:20:31+00:00

Geoff from Bruce Stadium

Guest


I'd like to see Ricky give the Raiders an old fashioned spray. I'd like to see paint blistering and coming off the walls in the change room. He might be protecting them in public but I hope he's giving it to them on the training paddock and behind closed doors. Some of them have got to stop listening to their admirers and start performing. Credit should be given to the Dogs for a pretty gutsy performance on Saturday but really the Raiders should have found a way to win that game given the Dogs had two of their prime movers missing. I don't have any excuses for them. They are only really missing Baptiste from their starting group. In hindsight letting players like Vaughan and Barnett go was a big mistake in my opinion. Their forward depth is pretty thin apart from those in the 17. Maybe its an attitude problem. Plus they just seem to make dumb hot headed mistakes when the pressure is on. Blokes like BJ and Tapine in particular have made dumb decisions when the game was on the line. As a supporter it is worrying and needs to be fixed. Having said that I'm really enjoying the comp this season. A number of teams like the Dragons and the Sea Eagles have really surprised on the upside while the Panthers and the Raiders have surprised on the downside. Momentum and confidence are such crucial elements in sport and Manly and the Dragons have really got on a roll. The Storm are just amazingly consistent and are still the benchmark but the Sharks are solid as well and play the style of agressive tough footy needed to win the comp. Still a long way to go thius season but a couple of teams need to have a good long hard look at themselves, get out of their slumps and start producing results.

2017-04-30T23:24:10+00:00

Armchair expert

Guest


Agree where the hell is the coal train. Bateman has little impact, even Priest, why would you let Vaughan go and keep this plodder? Then the next cab off the rank is Dunamis Lui FFS! I like Ricky but I don't get him.

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