Contenders to pretenders: The Warriors, Panthers, and Raiders assessed

By Tim Gore / Expert

Last weekend marked the first big milestone of the NRL season. By the end of Round 10, it is a 65 per cent chance that the season’s eventual premier is already in the top four.

The stats from all seasons after 1998 further tells us that 85 per cent of the time they are already in the top eight.

By this stage last year, seven of the final top eight were already in the eight. Only the Titans forced their way in afterwards.

So the chances are high that the premier will be either the Storm, Sharks, Roosters or Broncos.

Conversely, there are a few sides that were talked about as potential premiers in February that statistically now have bugger all chance just two and a half months into the season.

Following their great finishes to the 2016 season, the Raiders and Panthers were touted as red hot chances to lift the silverware on the first weekend in October. Both are now very much rated as outsiders.

There was also a fair bit of talk that Kieran Foran joining the Warriors – along with Stephen Kearney taking the helm – would see them finally achieve their massive potential.

They haven’t. They are as disappointing and inconsistent as ever.

So what has gone wrong? And is the dream really over for each of these clubs in 2017?

Let’s take a look.

(Image: AAP/David Rowland)

The New Zealand Warriors

Current record:
Four wins – Knights (h), Titans (h), Eels (h), Roosters (h)
Six losses – Storm (h), Bulldogs (a), Dragons (a), Raiders (a), Storm (a), Penrith (a)

The Warriors have lost all five of their away games, including blowing a 22 point lead against the Panthers.

Margins:
13+ losses: two (Storm, Dragons)
1-12 losses: four (Bulldogs, Raiders, Panthers, Storm)
1-12 wins: Four
13+ wins: Zero

I’m sorry, but a side boasting Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, David Fusitua, Shaun Johnson, Solomone Kata and Kieran Foran should be putting sides to the sword, at least sometimes. The Warriors biggest win was against the Eels by 12.

Good stats:
Metres gained: 1419 (+25 NRL AVG)
Errors: 9.3 (Best NRL – AVG 10.6)

Bad Stats:
Tries scored: 2.8 a game (NRL AVG 3.3)
Tackle breaks: 23.1 per game (worst NRL – NRL AVG 29.75)

What is strange about the Warriors stats generally is that they are virtually bang on average for every other statistical category.

As to those four stats, their go forward is decent without being stellar, and their error rate is the best in the competition.

However, their tries scored per game rate is dismal. Only the Knights and Wests Tigers are worse. Further, their tackle breaks per game are the worst in the NRL.

What has gone wrong?
For all the fanfare of Kieran Foran supposedly helping Shaun Johnson explode into the player we all hope he can be, the Warriors – once known for their free scoring but leaky defence and soft underbelly – now have a problem with scoring enough points.

Johnson certainly isn’t cutting loose, Tuivasa-Sheck is not asserting himself on games, Tuimoala Lolohea is badly out of favour, Foran is taking off at seasons end and Simon Mannering, Jacob Lillyman and Ryan Hoffman – while playing great footy – ain’t getting any younger and can’t do it all by themselves.

Equation to make the finals:
To accumulate the 28 points that usually scrapes a side in for a finals berth, the Warriors will have to win eight of their remaining 14 games. Seven of those are at home. There is a distinct possibility this can happen.

The 36 points needed to ensure a top four berth will require the Warriors to win twelve of their last fourteen.

Prediction
They won’t make the four. However, if the Warriors can hit some form they might just make the finals. That will depend upon some tough love, discipline and work ethic – of the sort that the great Kevin Campion instilled in the side in the early 2000s – materialising at the club very quickly.

Is the dream over in 2017?
Yes. Yes it is. The Warriors are no better than a five per cent chance to lift the trophy in 2017.

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The Penrith Panthers

Current record:
Three wins – Wests Tigers (a), Knights (h), Warriors (h)
Seven losses – Dragons (a), Roosters (h), Storm (a), Rabbitohs (h), Sharks (h), Eels (a), Broncos (a)

The Panthers have only won three games but two of those were by 30-plus margins. However, all three wins have been against sides in the bottom five.

Margins:
13+ losses: four (Broncos, Storm, Sharks, Dragons)
1-12 losses: three (Eels, Rabbitohs, Roosters)
1-12 wins: One (Warriors)
13+ wins: Two (Knights, Wests Tigers)

The four sides that have cleaned them up are in the top five, suggesting that the Panthers side that was so competitive last year has seriously dropped away.

Good stats:
Line Breaks: #3 in the NRL
Tackle Breaks: 33.3 a game (NRL AVG 29.75)

Bad Stats:
Missed Tackles: 32.3 per game (NRL AVG 29.7)
Errors: 12 per game (worst NRL – NRL AVG 10.6)

The problem for the Panthers is that these good stats have been drastically pumped up by the floggings of the Knights and Wests Tigers. Their attack isn’t penetrating the good sides’ defences. Further, their defence is pretty bad and they’ve got to stop shooting themselves in the foot with their high error rate.

What has gone wrong?
Firstly, it is very rare that the absence of a winger can make a huge difference, but make no mistake that Josh Mansour’s kick returning, determined ball running, and line breaking, are sorely missed.

How many times in 2016 did the bearded one put the Panthers on the front foot? Plenty.

He was their leading metre gainer, line breaker and try scorer in 2016 and they miss him badly.

Wunderkind Nathan Cleary is having a tough second season in the top grade. However, the kid is the goods. If he is this good now he’ll be a superstar by 25.

From an outsider’s perspective, something seems rotten in the state of Penrith. For the club captain to get dropped for stepping out of line is a very big deal.

While Trent Merrin is a bit down on his 2016 form, Matt Moylan is well down on his. Further, Bryce Cartwright may be playing injured because he is certainly underwhelming in 2017.

Last year Cartwright, Moylan, Tamou and Merrin were all serious contenders for State of Origin. This year I’ll be very surprised if any are even being considered.

Equation to make the finals:
To manage to tally 28 points, the Panthers will have to win nine of their remaining 14 games. Only seven of those are at home. That means they can only lose five more games if they are to scrape into the eight.

However, don’t give up yet Panthers supporters.

Although some good form is required quick smart, of the sides currently in the top five, the Panthers only play one of them (the Dragons) in their last fourteen games. The away games are winnable. It is possible.

Making the top four, however, is not. It requires only dropping one more game out of 14.

Prediction
No way will they make the four. But they may make the finals. Their run home is pretty friendly and their comeback from 22 points down against the Warriors showed that they have some fight in them yet.


Is the dream over in 2017?

Sure is. There will be no premiership in 2017 for the mountain men.

(AAP Image/Lukas Coch)

The Canberra Raiders

Current record:
Four wins – Wests Tigers (h), Eels (h), Titans (a), Wariors (h)
Six losses – Cowboys (a), Sharks (h), Broncos (a), Sea Eagles (h), Bulldogs (a), Knights (a)

In 2017 the Raiders have not beaten a side that is currently in the top eight. Their pumped up ladder position is due to their demolitions of the badly depleted Titans and Wests Tigers.

Margins:
13+ losses: Two (Sharks, Knights)
1-12 losses: four (Cowboys, Broncos, Sea Eagles, Bulldogs)
1-12 wins: Two (Warriors, Eels)
13+ wins: Two (Titans, Wests Tigers)

The Raiders have fallen into their 2015 trap of losing close games. All four of their 1-12 losses they could have won, but they didn’t. Coulda, shoulda, woulda…

Good stats:
Tackle Breaks: 36.9 a game (NRL AVG 29.75)

Bad Stats:
Nothing really bad. Just a lot of beige. Beige doesn’t win competitions.

The Raiders put sides to the sword in 2016. Their defence was top notch and their attack deadly and adventurous. The passes stuck.

This season they may be sitting on average errors but it is where and how they are making them. They are pushing too many passes and handing over lots of ball in their red zone. While their defence has only been badly compromised in Round 2 against the Sharks, the Raiders aren’t scoring freely and sides are beating them in arm wrestles.

What has gone wrong?
There are a few factors.

Firstly, Coach Ricky Stuart is right: sides have worked them out and now have strategies to counter and frustrate the Raiders game plan.

Secondly, their depth isn’t what it was in 2016. Nor could it be. Raiders management had to make tough salary cap decisions about who they kept and who they let go. Last season when Josh Papalii or Shannon Boyd were out, Stuart could call on Paul Vaughn and Shaun Fensom. This year he must call on honest toilers Clay Priest and Dunamis Lui instead.

Last year he had Sam Williams and Kurt Baptiste in the squad who could come in and do a job when needed. Baptiste has only just come back from an Achilles injury and Williams is in England.

Further, after a few years of winning with left field purchases, the signings of Jordan Turner and Dave Taylor have yet to bear the fruit that is hoped for.

At the beginning of the season Josh Papalii, Blake Austin, Jarrod Croker, Jack Wighton, Shannon Boyd, Junior Paulo and Joey Leilua were all in contention for Origin jerseys. After the Raiders start to 2016, I expect only Josh Papalii will get the call-up.

As much as it will pain a side that has so enjoyed playing a free-spirited style of entertaining football, they must roll up their sleeves and play some low error grind football to get their season back on track.

Equation to make the finals:
For the magical 28 points number, the Raiders will have to win eight of their remaining 14 games. While lots of their tough remaining matchups are at home, they have to travel to Cronulla and Melbourne. To be certain of a top four spot they can only lose two more games.

Prediction
The Raiders squad is too good to miss the finals but they are making it hard for themselves. However, they’ll need some extremely good fortune to make the four. And as we know, no side in the NRL era has won the Premiership from outside the top four.

Is the dream over in 2017?
As much as it pains me to say it, most probably, yes. Yet I still hope…

The Crowd Says:

2017-05-18T11:46:57+00:00

Magnus M. Østergaard

Roar Guru


Ricky is just Graham Henry. Good coach, just not ggoooooooood enuff

2017-05-18T10:59:25+00:00

Alan

Roar Guru


I tipped the Raiders to win the comp Tim. I haven't lost faith yet...but the Raiders are so frustrating to watch at times. They have to start firing now or risk a great premiership window of opportunity slamming shut

2017-05-18T10:36:02+00:00

Gray-Hand

Guest


Nah - no one agrees with that.

2017-05-18T10:12:15+00:00

Aem

Guest


Mannering isn't a dominant guy on both sides of the ball when playing in the middle (it's not his best position...), Lillyman has being doing plenty of work but has also been prolific with slower play the balls and Hoffman has been good outside of a couple of shocker games. Bodene Thompson is an opposition try (or three, as we last weekend) waiting to happen. Good for an unforced early set mistake, too. Gavet is the best forward they have right now by miles... just not getting enough minutes (it may be that he's not up to more minutes at his current pace... but that's what the team needs). Lisone has been improved from last year (read: doesn't give away 2-3 errors or penalties per game), but not particularly consistent - the one thing you really want from a metre man. Sao has been mostly good, but like Hoffman has thrown in a couple of shockers too. Matulino just coming back from problems with both knees.. should get better. All up, the pack is the biggest problem - they're getting belted in the grind... unfortunately, that's how Kearney has clearly set them out to play. It's a game plan that doesn't particularly fit his squad - honestly he needs Vatuvei fit (he's like Maumalo going forward but an actual winger, not a prop hiding on the wing), and to bring in his reserve middles who are much more suited to his game plan (both Sipleys and Daniel Palavi look likely). Of course, I expect he won't do either. Will make minimal changes for the year, possibly scrape out a top 8 spot (probably not though). And the frustration goes on! Oh, and as for the backs... CNK was overdue, but now he's in that's a wing sorted. Fusitua & Ayshford have performed well (I know, Ayshford isn't liked... but he's done generally well for the Warriors)... that last spot is Manu's, if he can get fit to claim it. Maumalo is a liability, and Kata looks to have regressed..,.

2017-05-18T09:30:07+00:00

damo

Guest


Storm v Sharks repeat Storm win Cooper Cronk kicks winning FG & subsequently retires.

2017-05-18T06:15:57+00:00

Alex L

Roar Rookie


It's not the forward pack, it's that the back 3 are gifting three attacking sets to the opposition every game by dropping it coming out of yardage. The Broncos pack is as weak if not weaker, but they don't drop the ball every third or fourth set.

2017-05-18T05:32:27+00:00

Geoff from Bruce Stadium

Guest


I think the decision had been made on Fensom half way through last season and probably Vaughan as well now I come to think of it. I could understand Fensom going as the Raiders had Soliola, Papalii, Whitehead and Tapine ahead of him. But I wasn't convinced by the decision to let Vaughan go. Priest had a pretty good year last season but he wouldn't have broken the bank and maybe the Raiders could have kept Vaughan for another season. For some reason Vaughan didn't have anywhere near the impact last year as he is having this year. Maybe he was on the outer with Ricky for some reason or maybe there was something going on behind the scenes that wasn't made public or maybe he just lost form and confidence. Whatever the reason the change of clubs has been great for Vaughan and he's now pushing at origin selection which you couldn't have said last year.

2017-05-18T05:19:34+00:00

Geoff from Bruce Stadium

Guest


How good is he going? Rarely makes a mistake and always takes the smart option. Big future ahead. And I see poor old Eddie can't get a gig with the Sharks.

2017-05-18T05:09:41+00:00

Michael Keeffe

Roar Guru


I agree you can only beat what is in front of you, I just think that the hype around them (not the Panthers fault) was ill-informed and most commentators talking them up didn't factor in their soft run when declaring them premiership favourites.

2017-05-18T05:00:38+00:00

KingCowboy

Guest


I am not like John Oliver, I have no beef with you "kiwis'', so I am not going to get into this with you!

2017-05-18T04:52:05+00:00

Albo

Guest


Nailed it completely souvalis ! Every question you posed needs to be answered by those two coaches ! In the case of Penrith, Hook needs to get off the fence with his selections. Seems he doesn't know which way to go with most of his players. So he has them in and out, interchanged, playing out of position to get them on the field somewhere. Cartwright firstly, is carrying that leg injury still, is a dud at 5/8 , but seems Hook needs to have him on the field somewhere. So far this year he has done nothing but leak points with awful defence, cross field running and intercept passes. On the other hand he has a budding star 5/8 in TMM languishing in Intrust Cup apparently looking to have him offloaded ?? Similarly with Tamou averaging 45 minutes a game to give interchanges some time. Played his best game this year in City v Country with 73 minutes unchanged. To much sticking to some pre-conceived interchange regime rather than giving the leaders more time on the paddock. Then leaving out Peachy from his made successful backline spot, whilst playing Hiku on the wing ?? Move Blake out onto that wing and put Peachey in the centres. Get off the fence and make some decisions on a top 13 with 4 replacements , to be used as interchanges only if needed ! As for Ricky he needs to work out some new ideas to get Wighton into the game without him making an error. His halves too seem lost . Are too many players including Hodgson, Leilua & Rapana now over calling the shots that the halves should be controlling ? Opposition teams have now worked out strategies to control these three , so new ideas are needed from the coach and his spine. They looked all at sea last week against a very ordinary opposition, after succumbing meekly to the Dogs the week before. I watch Joseph Tapine very closely every week ( I have him in my Supercoach team still expecting him to eventually do something !!). He is a devastating running forward with pace and an offload and he got 80 minutes to show it last week due to an injury to Bateman. He made 9 runs for 86 metres , most of them by default in the last 10 minutes of the game when the rest had given up the game . Why isn't his running being used especially when Papali is out suspended ? Are we being too much dictated by the popular formula of the back 5 taking all the hit ups or a number 9 scurry before a 5th tackle option is deployed ( usually a kick) that bypasses the use of skilled running forwards like Tapine ?

2017-05-18T04:05:41+00:00

Conan of Cooma

Roar Rookie


Haha, Dally M coach that got them that far? Flanno took the Sharks from 2014 wooden spoon to 2016 premiers. And look at what Sticky did at the Sharks! 2007 - 11th, 2008 - 3rd, 2009 - 15th, 2010 - HE QUIT! A similar pattern is forming in Canberra. 2014 - 15th, 2015 - 10th, 2016 - 2nd, 2017 - ?

2017-05-18T04:01:43+00:00

Albo

Guest


Yep ! I don't understand why Afoa isn't in the team ? And the few games he has played he has been used as block runner rarely given the ball ? He can be a devastating runner on the edges and is a very good defender, can play near 80 minutes, but seems to have been overlooked mostly this year ? I guess they have nominated Mannering and Hoffman as their 80 minute men, and like Bodene Thompson on the edge, but whilst they are solid, they hardly put any scares into opposing defences.

2017-05-18T03:54:33+00:00

Jacko

Guest


I Dont agree about Foran at all Ugly. He has been the Best on field for the Warriors in every game he has played for them.I also think they dont have a head coach at all as Kearney is NOT a head coach and others there have proven, just like Kearney, that they are not up to the task.

2017-05-18T03:49:14+00:00

Stu

Guest


Mannering and Afoa are the best as a % of completed tackles.

2017-05-18T03:48:41+00:00

Jacko

Guest


Thats part of the problem Tim. The comp should be fair and equal. Everybody plays each other

2017-05-18T03:46:21+00:00

Jacko

Guest


Which kiwi's KingCowboy? The ones in your team? or the ones in the Raiders or the ones in the Panthers? Or did you mean the Warriors, where not all players are Kiwi's? I hate that people call the Warriors either NZ or the "Kiwi's" as neither is correct

2017-05-18T03:42:39+00:00

Cedric

Guest


interesting stats, I'd guess Mannering would miss the least, he's one of the best one on one tacklers in the NRL. Watched Mamalo try to tackle leilua with his fingers twice, Klodstad should be his replacement.

2017-05-18T03:31:24+00:00

KingCowboy

Guest


I don't hate Ricky Stuart, I just don't think he is a very good NRL coach. I think his record shows that but please feel free to disagree. It would be a very boring world if everyone agreed on everything.

AUTHOR

2017-05-18T03:31:09+00:00

Tim Gore

Expert


Salary cap necessity. They didn't want to let either go. Neither deserved to be bench players though.

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