Hawthorn vs Sydney: Friday Night Forecast

By Ryan Buckland / Expert

The rematch of a game which two months ago produced one of the most surprising results of the season, with both teams playing their best football of the year. Layer on top the rivalry, and we’ve got a barn burner on our hands.

Since they last met in Round 10, the Hawks and Swans are a combined 10-1-3 in the following eight rounds of football, with a collective percentage of 122.3 per cent – full year numbers that would have a hypothetical hybrid team sitting in the top four. Much of this is owing to Sydney’s dominance (7-0, with a net margin of 30.4 points per game), but Hawthorn has improved to join the mid table mire of teams sitting around a 0.500 record (3-1-3 with a net margin of 2.9 points).

Indeed, since Round 10, the Hawks sit eighth on the Pythagorean wins ladder.

Over that stretch, the Hawks have been better than Melbourne, St Kilda, West Coast and the Western Bulldogs. The Swans have been better than anyone. On this alone, considering the game is to be played on Hawthorn’s home deck, tonight is going to be awesome.

(AAP Image/David Moir)

Last time they met, Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson dulled the influence of Sydney’s midfield by playing what was ostensibly a Malthouse-style boundary-riding game. Every time the Hawks won the ball in their back half they went wide, with pathological intent to stop Sydney from scrambling through the centre corridor as is – or was – their style.

The Hawks inflicted one of Sydney’s worst time in possession defeats of the year, while gathering 283 uncontested possessions, the most the Swans have given up in 2017. In the end the margin was only a goal, and Sydney were down to two fit men on the bench (one, Jake Lloyd, was out for all but the first five minutes). But given where the two sides were at, and that it was played in Sydney, it was Hawthorn’s best win of the season.

Remarkable stuff. Wins like this serve to remind us that Alastair Clarkson possesses the best football mind in the competition. After his team looked simultaneously old and tired and young and raw, this win showed the power of strategy.

The team’s follow up performance two weeks later was similarly spectacular; a draw against the Giants and a last-gasp lost to Geelong only serve to further this thinking. He’s undoubtedly Hawthorn’s most important asset.

Indeed, Hawthorn disrupted the Swans so thoroughly that there’s a chance it gave Sydney coach John Longmire cause to change his team’s ways. In the first ten rounds of the year, Sydney had a kick-to-handball ratio of 1.20; in the eight rounds (seven games) since that has increased to 1.37 – which would be second in the league behind Carlton if it was over the full year. The Swans are also marking the ball more often – taking 86 per game in their first ten and 99.8 in the seven games after.

Sydney last changed things up in the 2015 season, switching to a pace and space scheme that made the most of their powerful midfield group. That the Swans are rolling with such a high kick to handball ratio suggests this is more than responding to the opposition of the day – we’ll see how it goes tonight.

There is little to report on the teams front, with Hawthorn going in unchanged and Sydney making one change. One young midfielder (Dan Robinson) out, another one (Will Hayward) in. It’s the second time in four weeks Hawthorn have been unchanged, after switching players in and out every week in the first 14 rounds of the season. Alastair Clarkson must be happy with how his youngsters are performing on the whole.

(AAP Image/Julian Smith)

Can the rematch live up to the original? While the Round 10 meeting might not have been a high scoring shootout, the tactical nature of proceedings was a delight. We should expect a similar battle this evening.

Now the Swans are happier to chip around and play the uncontested game, and the Hawks appear to have come to grips with the faster pace of play, it’s unlikely we’ll see carbon copy repeat of nine weeks ago. Instead, we can expect Sydney’s midfield to be much more influential on proceedings.

The Hawks don’t have the depth at the top of their midfield group to match it with Sydney. It’s why they did what they did last time out. To help their young backline cope with plenty of Sydney inside 50 entries, expect Hawthorn to role with a spare defender from very early in the game. Sydney will happily oblige, rolling Callum Mills a kick off the play as a sweeper and pseudo-full back as has been the way in recent weeks.

Sydney’s midfield core has been steamrolling the competition since Round 6, with the likes of Lloyd and Zak Jones picking up the slack of a surprisingly down Luke Parker. Josh P Kennedy, playing his 200th game, is back to his clearance winning best, while Dan Hannebery and Kieran Jack (who looked like he had a foot out the door early in the season) are generating plenty of burst run from congestion. Sydney are back to being Sydney, and on face value it looks too much for the Hawks to handle.

There’s also a peculiarity in these two teams’ recent match ups. Since the Hawks sprayed Sydney’s guts on the MCG turf in the 2014 grand final, every match up has been won by the away team. Sydney have won the pair’s two matches at the ‘G, while Hawthorn have won the two SCG encounters and the final home-and-away game played at ANZ Stadium to the west of the city.

That looks likely again tonight. While the Hawks have upgraded themselves from bad to merely average, the Swans look like the best team in the competition. They’ll show that tonight, winning by 30 points. That’s my Friday night forecast, what’s yours?

The Crowd Says:

2017-07-31T03:56:49+00:00

Marto

Guest


NOSTRADAMUS strikes ^^

2017-07-31T03:55:59+00:00

Marto

Guest


Sorry Roger..hahaha WRONG

2017-07-31T03:50:47+00:00

Marto

Guest


" That looks likely again tonight. While the Hawks have upgraded themselves from bad to merely average, the Swans look like the best team in the competition. They’ll show that tonight, winning by 30 points. That’s my Friday night forecast, " 30 points ?...I`m sure the Clarko had your spiel plastered all over on the changeroom walls.. Thanks Ryan..

2017-07-31T00:05:50+00:00

penguin

Guest


Well that prediction went well. Hawks better all night, but outs and injuries hit the Swans hard. Hawthorn got under the skin of Buddy, McVeigh, Sinclair etc. Far too good in the clinches, and they have Sydney's measure mentally. If Kennedy is out for 2 or more weeks it probably spells the end of Sydneys run.

2017-07-29T02:37:23+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


Not worried.

2017-07-29T02:30:50+00:00

Mark

Guest


And guess which team has to cop us on the rebound?

2017-07-29T01:24:55+00:00

Mick E

Guest


Its funny how ones who expect to win and when they don't drag down us hawks fans who i have supported since 1963 i always go in with both eyes open when watching a game and i always accept defeat as long as it isn't Collingwood graciously. Since that time lowly club Hawthorn has won 12 more flags can't say the same for any other team bad umpiring go's both ways which I saw last night but then most people only see their team not get one and cheer when the other team doesn't get one we are not butthurt fella we are laughing at the others who lose then make these asinine comments.

2017-07-28T23:54:48+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


So much for that

2017-07-28T19:20:13+00:00

DeanM

Guest


It was in reference to Ryans earlier comments of Hawthorns form going from bad to merely average. I disagree that their recent form, past 10 weeks has them as merely average and who they have played over the past 10 weeks is a factor. Their season as a whole yes will probably fall around average.

2017-07-28T14:44:15+00:00

Dalgety Carrington

Roar Guru


Jimmy Pythagoras? Played forward pocket for Carlton. Moved up to the wing in the mid-stages of his career.

2017-07-28T14:31:13+00:00

Dalgety Carrington

Roar Guru


Why is it any more important to look at the wins over the losses? They're like any other team in 2017, with patches of good form along with patches of bad form. That seems quintessentially average. Ultimately their W/L tally is below average, which is what's most important. So while their form is on the up right now it seems likely, given the 2017 script, that'll plummet in the near future sure enough. Inexplicably, they seem to have a very soft run home from here on in, given the favourable draw so far.

2017-07-28T13:37:17+00:00

DeanM

Guest


You need to look beyond the wins losses and look at who the Hawks have challenged and beaten. The merely average comment reaks of 1991,2015 sore anoos. Their current form is clearly above average as tonight showed again.

2017-07-28T10:19:17+00:00

Kerry

Guest


Bias commentary - a big lop sided

2017-07-28T08:05:21+00:00

deccas

Guest


I really like Ryan's and other different stastical takes on footy. The expected win's metric is a handy tool for analysis and no barrier to my enjoyment. Didn't your mum ever teach you "if you don't have anything nice to saym don't say anything at all".

2017-07-28T08:03:44+00:00

Glenn

Guest


No, there is no correlation there at all. I'd be stunned if the Swans lost to the Cats regardless of the result with the Hawks and the location of the game. I'did have that one as the most winnable of the 3 games.

2017-07-28T07:46:46+00:00

Mango Jack

Roar Guru


Just nervous energy before a big game. In my mind, I'm Luke Hodge lining up Hannerbery as he reaches up high for a wayward handball, all ribs exposed. Go on, Hodgey, you know you want to do it! That a boy! There, I feel better now.

2017-07-28T06:36:57+00:00

Jim

Guest


My point being Glenn that a loss to the Hawks would suggest they will probably lose those 2 too.

2017-07-28T06:17:17+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


The Swans have actually improved from week-to-week.
There is no reason to believe that they can’t keep going.
Sounds like it to me.

2017-07-28T06:12:47+00:00

Glenn

Guest


I didn't say that, try again.

2017-07-28T06:09:15+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


Sorry some of use use actual facts and data to back up our opinions Peter the Hydra, we can't all be baseless like you.

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