GWS Giants vs West Coast: AFL Finals Forecast

By Ryan Buckland / Expert

West Coast travel east to take on their New South Wales namesake, with sentiment towards the GWS Giants at a pretty low ebb.

Both sides have made some interesting moves at the selection table, and the game is a little more live than you may think.

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Let’s get straight to selection because it’s easily the most interesting feature of this game.

The GWS Giants have lost Jeremy Cameron and Shane Mumford to injury, Cameron to a season-ending hamstring injury and Mumford to an undisclosed ankle complaint. After last weekend’s relative pantsing as the hands of the Crows, who ran the Giants off their feet (particularly in the forward half), it has been seen as an opportunity for GWS to reset their team structure.

Despite playing three tall forwards plus a full time ruckman this season, the Giants took just 11.3 marks inside 50 per game this season – ranked 13th. In wins, that jumped to 12.9 per game, but their ranking drops to 15th. In simple terms, the Giants don’t need three tall forwards to win games, at least as far as taking marks is concerned.

In response to their injuries, the Giants have gone small. GWS selected Steve Johnson and 2016 draftee Tim Taranto, both of whom look set to play in the forward line. Rory Lobb becomes the team’s lone ruckman, and Jonathon Patton the lone mature key forward. Harry Himmelberg will play as the foil, but given his body size is more of a ground ball threat anyway.

It appears the Eagles anticipated the move, given the return of Sharrod Wellingham from the West Coast wilderness for the raw forward-midfielder Luke Partington. An already stacked back line gains another resident, with a bias towards intercept marking and rebounding. Wellingham can play across the ground though, so afford the Eagles some important flexibility given the small side the Giants have selected.

That’s important. Also important was what the Eagles didn’t do: select ruckman Nic Naitanui.

Naitanui’s status was the talk of the town out west all week. He reportedly trained with the full team, and according to West Coast coach Adam Simpson’s pre-flight press conference on Thursday was being heavily considered, and that the Eagles would take an extended squad of 26 over to Sydney.

It was in response to a direct question about whether he’d be picked. Later in the day, the journalists camped at Perth Airport reported Naitanui wasn’t on the flight, and later in the day selection confirmed he wasn’t in the final 22 or list of official emergencies.

(AAP Image/Tony McDonough)

So he’s out. The Eagles tipped their hand a little earlier in the day anyway, given Naitanui is still on West Coast’s long term injury list, and must be transferred off before he can be selected to play. We generally find out about long term injury list changes an hour or so before official selection.

Is it a missed opportunity? For fun, and narratives, and chaos almost certainly. But given the Giants have gone full small ball, perhaps it’s for the best in the end given the Eagles are already very tall down back.

Selection hints at how each team wants to play. The travellers have doubled down on their defensive half intercepting play, seemingly hoping to absorb a likely GWS dominance through the middle and counterattack with quality scoring opportunities. It’s the game plan they used against Port Adelaide during the home-and-away season, and which (in my view) almost cost them the game in the second half rematch last week.

The Eagles came close to beating the Giants last time the two sides met in Round 22 (in Western Sydney). They led by a goal at quarter time, trailed by seven points at half time, and pegged it back to a one point margin at the final change. The team’s broke even on inside 50s to three quarter time (40-39 the Giants’ way), with a +10 differential in the final quarter too much for West Coast’s interceptors to handle.

It may not even come to that, given the Giants are running with the small look that served them well during Jeremy Cameron’s last stint on the sidelines. GWS scored five per cent more often per inside 50 entry when they only had one of Cameron or Patton in their line up during the 2017 home-and-away season.

With just Patton in the line up, and Himmelberg as the second tall, the Giants will surely look to eschew long kicks into their forward 50. It makes the West Coast back line, with Jeremy McGovern, Eric Mackenzie and Tom Barrass, look really tall and cumbersome notwithstanding their strength in the air.

(Photo by Matt King/Getty Images)

It all may come to nought, though. Both teams are at full strength through the middle (excluding the ruck spot), meaning the Giants have the personnel to run the Eagles ragged.

West Coast may fancy their chance of getting first use – last time Rory Lobb was the solo ruckman, albeit in his third game, Todd Goldstein had a VFL/AFL record 80 hit outs – but otherwise it’s tough to see them getting the upper hand.

So they’ll have to turtle up and hope their rebound gambit pays off. West Coast’s forward line needs a bit of work over the off season, but as a collective it has proven it can score in this scheme. They won’t top 100 points, but the critical path is keeping the Giants at bay and hoping that the 40-odd inside 50s West Coast will generate are direct enough that they can break 80 points.

I don’t see it. The Giants might not be the best team, but West Coast are no Adelaide. Layer on the home field advantage, and the mismatch of team structure, and a GWS win should be forthcoming. I expect the Eagles will get the game on their terms for patches given GWS has shown a tendency to play caveman football this season, but it won’t be enough.

The Giants will win, by 18 points. That’s my AFL Finals forecast, what’s yours?

The Crowd Says:

2017-09-16T06:46:45+00:00

Deano

Guest


like your optimism too!!

2017-09-16T06:42:37+00:00

Deano

Guest


Haha..that's been a long wait between drinks Rick!!? good luck with that..cant see either Cats or the Beagle Boys getting there...but miracles do happen? if only we had a fleet-footed Matera with that raking kick from the wing.

2017-09-16T06:39:15+00:00

Deano

Guest


like your optimism!!

2017-09-16T06:06:23+00:00

truetigerfan

Guest


Giants eeeeeeaaaasily. Though I said that about the Swans yesterday. But really, a West Coast win would surprise hugely!

2017-09-16T05:33:26+00:00

gameofmarks

Roar Guru


Yeh I think it was worth the risk, especially as Nic Nat would be up against Lobb, who really doesn't pose a risk to Nic Nat physically as opposed to a Mummy who is a bull and can do damage physically to an opposition ruckman.

2017-09-16T05:06:55+00:00

Rick

Guest


I would have rolled the dice and selected Naitanui and Vardy to ruck, get a game into Naitanui and play Petrie in the forward line, playing as a foil alongside Kennedy and take the ruck there as well. If you go this far in the finals then the plan is to win the GF, all clubs need an x factor and West Coast don't have the mid field speed that the others do, so going taller may have helped and if they progress then Naitanui would have at least one game under his belt and his influence might have just unsettled the opposition while providing the x factor West Coast need to progress.

2017-09-16T03:55:50+00:00

gameofmarks

Roar Guru


I think you are wrong Ryan. I expect Vardy and Petrie to monster Lobb, who has a light frame and shouldn't be able to mix it with these two physically. First use of the ball for the WCE will go a long way to holding back the orange tsunami if we can lock the ball inside 50. WCE by 18 pts and Nic Nat to be selected next week to play against Richmond.

2017-09-16T03:30:08+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


GWS easily. At home GWS are a much better side. They'll wilt when they return to the MCG the following week though (unfortunately).

2017-09-16T03:15:34+00:00

Mattician6x6

Guest


Absolutely would be a cracking match if it transpires, just working out if i want a 92 or 94 style victory aswe speak ;) should be called the cook/cousins cup ifit happens

2017-09-16T01:41:29+00:00

Damo

Guest


As awesome as that would be to watch, no way would West Coast get past the 95,000 bandwagon at the 'G next week.

2017-09-16T01:16:59+00:00

Doc Disnick

Roar Guru


You need to win tonight. I want redemption for 92'and 94'. There will be blood split between our two great clubs in the GF.

2017-09-16T00:19:21+00:00

Mattician6x6

Guest


Im going the coasters by 15pts in this game, our ability to create pressure in our fwd 50-75 is critical and if we can get on top there and force gws into long kicks not precision then i back our intercept marking to be the difference. for god sake dont let shiel run of the back of the square freely at centre bounces and i would rotate duggan and sheed thru kelly scragging him as much as possible (dont play nice west coast). We saw earlier in the year when giants played geelong at spotless they struggle when they are scragged in a high stoppage game with space limited and i would expect simpson to implement similar tactics. this game wont be a pretty game but that is the key to the eagles snaring the win.

2017-09-15T23:34:31+00:00

Deano

Guest


Bravado, positive spin and 'keeping the dream alive' for the senior players can only cover up so many cracks and flaws. The Eagles clearly had less run and puff in the final moments of last weeks game.They were also held scoreless of goalless for large portions of the game. Key players went missing. Lecras disappeared down his usual finals hole, Sheed and Duggan were quiet, as was Shepard, even Yeo to some extent. They all need to really lift against the uniformity and run of the Giants or we may see the dam breaking at some point and the orange tsunami surging over their finals dreams. Wellingham supposedly playing as a forward/mid but that might be ducks and drakes. I'd like to see him there with his raking kick on goal, good in the air too. As an Eagles fan, if it is to be their last game, then i hope its a close one again and not a blow-out, at least exit honourably. Then I look forward to the team shake up in off-season. I'm nervous already about this game with a whole day to go. Of course anything can happen...

2017-09-15T23:21:48+00:00

Lroy

Guest


If Dom Sheed gets plenty of ball they generally do pretty well so they have to find a way to get him into the game. I would have liked to see him start in the centre, oh well, lets see how it pans out. Petrie has been great as a permanent forward good to see hes there.. changes that forward line dynamic with him there. Vardy has been a warhorse all year in the ruck, and he does some good stuff around the ground. The pair of them have been great for the club this year. Wellingham is a good selection, he likes to kick a goal. I prefer him up forward to down back, his silky skills could be better used closer to the sticks. Swap him with Sam Mitchel if needed, Sam can kick a goal as well... gives them some options. Giants have played very well against the Eagles in the last 3 encounters, so the Eagles really have the job in front of them to win this one. If not for Nicnats heroics a year ago they have won 3 on the trot against us. I think Ryans prediction is probably on the money. Fingers crossed hes wrong ;-)

2017-09-15T22:37:44+00:00

Damo

Guest


I mentioned in another article that WCE were cooked with 10 to go in the 4th last week and it was a huge effort to get up twice from there. 2 less days rest abd travel means they'll fade after half time. GWS to run away with it for me by about 30

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