Australia's ODI ranking plummets on the verge of series whitewash

"The author states – “Hazelwood and Starc are ESTABLISHED STARS whereas Bumrah is a promising newcomer”. That clearly suggests he seems Hazelwood a better bowler as it currently stands." In this case Author is clearly wrong .First of all he should've realized that we are only talking about ODIs not test where bumrah is yet to make his debut.hazlewood has taken 64 wickets @ 23.85 and bumrah 44 wkts @ 21.97.so most sensible statement would be they both are at par with each other.i agree with Matt that on current form,i'd rather have bumrah than hazlewood in my odi side due to his ability with old ball. "Hazelwood is ranked number 1. For a reason. Bumrah is not." do you realise that bumrah can easily overtake hazlewood as no1 odi bowler after this series.if that happens,then hopefully that would eradicate the myth that Hazlewood>>bumrah from your mind.

Dominic Marsh "You even have others now, including the original author of the article, stating that Starc and Hazelwood are better players at this stage."nicely done dominic by changing the topic.You still haven't explained how bumrah was failure in Aus 2016. "In other words, once India hit he road, you’ll see their rankings drop slightly and alternatively once Australia get home, their’s will rise slightly."Everybody knows that. "Let me explain. The ICC individual rankings are more reliable as they take on a players performances everywhere. Whereas the team rankings – whilst I know are also based on total performances everywhere – constantly change because teams these days are strong at home and weak away."Another one of your statement which i disagree with. ofcourse for you individual ranking are more reliable than team rankings as Australia are not ranked in top 3 in any format whereas india are at top in both odi and test but This statement of yours is absolutely wrong.EX-Ashwin and jadeja are ranked top 2 bowlers(or were recently) in test cricket but that doesn't mean they are best in the world.infact i don't consider them world class yet which many indian fans believe they are.Most impressive part of indian team is their seamers as they have consistently outperformed their opposition seamers in last 2-3 years(Shami is averaging 24 bhuvi and yadav avg around 29).Not to mention,Spinners have been great too.If your Team is doing great then its not surprising that their players are ranked higher in rankings(such is the case with jadeja and ashwin).Hopefully,now you understand that reliability of both team and individual rankings is same.

Matt, What is this 'proof' you keep talking about!? Proof of what? The author states - "Hazelwood and Starc are ESTABLISHED STARS whereas Bumrah is a promising newcomer". That clearly suggests he seems Hazelwood a better bowler as it currently stands. You go on believing whatever you like. You're entitled. Meanwhile all other sensible and impartial judges will I'm sure continue to rank those proven performers above those with 'potential'.

I agree that it is a matter of opinion. Like who is a better batsman: Lara or Viv Richards, Tendulkar or Ponting, Bradman or Hammond, Hobbs or Sutcliffe, Hutton or Compton, Weekes or Graeme Pollock, Cowdrey or May, Sobers or Kanhai, Sehwag or Hayden, Hanif or Gavaskar... All were great. Comparisons make an interesting debate.

Dominic marsh.firstly Just because author has an opininion like you or me does not mean it is or has to be right . We all follow the game and can be right or wrong. Secondly i have said this time and again that I love the way you make statements without proof. In authors s comment where is this mentioned that hazlewood is a better odi bowler than bhumra?? He did not. He did say he would pick starc ahead of bhumra though which i agree means that he is a better bowler than bhumra . now even though author may comment again to say hazlewood is better. It will be his opinion . For me bhumra clearly has better odi record statistically and he is playing on more docile pitches then hazlewood.. so presently bhumra is a better odi bowler for me..

Jake, I know mate - thanks. They'd love to have Australia's overall record. It's all a slight envy thing mate.

Haha Savage and Matt, You even have others now, including the original author of the article, stating that Starc and Hazelwood are better players at this stage. "You clearly are a hypocrite" - really Savage? You clearly don't understand. Let me explain. The ICC individual rankings are more reliable as they take on a players performances everywhere. Whereas the team rankings - whilst I know are also based on total performances everywhere - constantly change because teams these days are strong at home and weak away. In other words, once India hit he road, you'll see their rankings drop slightly and alternatively once Australia get home, their's will rise slightly. I know you're excited about India's current performances - and so should you be. Just don't get too carried away would be my advice. I'd much rather be ranked 4 for two years and win the World Cup - than be ranked 1 for years and win nothing ? Thanks for sharing your opinions though - even though on this occasion you were slightly wrong. Keep enjoying India doing well.

.......I maintain my view on this. The sky's colour of blue is an illusion while NZ'ers often defeat us at our own and thats no illusion. Watch this space in respect of our next Cricket encounter v them while they will also win the RL WC.............

........nothing you have listed here changes the fact that NZ punch above their weight and are gaining on us and often surpassing us in sport amongst others. I believe they are ranked the same as we are in ODI and very close in Test Cricket, so I would wager they will out rank us in this very soon as well. In Hockey, NZ are ranked higher in the Womens game I believe while they often defeat us in the Mens game. I believe they easily out performed us in the Track & Field meet at the previous Olympics. I disagree about the status of Union V League in respective nations. I would say Union is far bigger here than League is across the creek. I have made a number of references to GR sporting gains by NZ in disciplines that have been traditionally strong for us and where we are rapidly on the decline. There is nothing outlandish about what I have stated here while I would suggest you are typical of so many of our country men and women who are in arrogant denial of NZ's growing superiority in all and sundry. NZ are certainly far more competitive than we are on the world stage for their size. The bottom line is that NZ continue to make giant strides in just about any sport you care to mention, often usurping us and despite their paltry population. My question is, whats wrong with Australian sport or are Kiwis simply athletically superior than we mere convicts?

Ouch Exactly!.Hazlewood is definitely better bowler than bumrah across format(including test) and probably best fast bowler in the world.It's too close to call between hazlewood and bumrah in odi's but due to his Skill at death overs i'd probably have bumrah in my odi side over hazlewood.

Having "potential" does not make him a better player.

Kersi Meher-Homji Just to clarify I'd also pick starc over bumrah in odi's.I was arguing with someone who was saying bumrah failed in Australia.But i think bumrah is better than hazlewood as he has more potential.

Dominic marsh "Matt you’re embarrassing yourself." Haha only one who's embarrassing himself is you "I’m happy to go by te official ICC rankings:" you clearly are hypocrite.if you are such a fan of ranking then why can't you accept that india are best across formats right now as they are ranked no 1 in both odi and test ”bhumra was here in australia and lost odi series FACT ” your comments are getting more idiiotic day by day.You were the one who said Bumrah failed in Australia but in reality he won all 4 matches that he played in 2016.you seem very ignorant to accept your mistake.

Honestly, the amount of hype about Bumrah, it's like people have forgotten how excited the world was about Ishant Sharma in 2008-09 Picking Bumrah ahead of Starc would be like picking Ed Cowan ahead of Rohit Sharma. Why would you.

Wow, republican has made a fair goose of himself on this one. Sounds like a very jealous kiwi

Hi Matth, Matt, Dominic and other cricket fans, May I be the referee or a TV umpire and say that Starc and Hazelwood are established stars. Bumrah is a promising newcomer with a Malinga-like bowling action. Hopefully he will go far. If I were a team selector and 10 players are selected in a composite team with one place remaining for either Starc or Bumrah, I'll pick Starc. I don't know who I'll prefer in 2018.

Jake, what is you point mate?? Lol What has winning the trophy got to do with being the best player. You need best team to win trophies not a best player.. abd, sachin, lara to name a few best of their time with nothing much to show.

Matt I think shami has done fine in odi but agree on yadav who i also think is overrated(in odi/t20).Shami is currently not as good as he was in last WC(still has not regain his pace) that's why he's not in odi team.Bhuvi/bumrah is best option right now.

So your argument is that the Australian pacemen who are the number 1 and 3 ranked fast bowlers in ODI's, and who were the opening bowlers in the last world cup winning team, are worse than Bumrah because he has done really well so far....ok then.

Dominic marsh why you dont explain your own statments mate. I have no problems with rankings they do tell a story. I just wanted to ask why did you say hazlewood has better stats then bhumra when acutally he does not??