Sydney sports stadiums: Oval options or oblong obfuscation?

By mds1970 / Roar Guru

In a city of many sports, it’s hard to find common ground. And competing priorities are up for grabs when the stadium funding pie is cut up.

The NSW Government has $1.6 billion to spend on elite stadiums. Notwithstanding the debate over whether such funds could be better spent on grassroots facilities or in schools and hospitals, there’s no consensus how the money should be spent.

In one corner is rugby league, rugby union and soccer/football, who want rectangular grounds. In the other corner is AFL and cricket, who want ovals.

And the prize up for grabs is upgrades to sporting stadiums – not just which grounds are upgraded, but in what order. Not all the stadiums can be upgraded at the same time. Some will be used more while others are being worked on.

Parramatta is being done first. That’s a done deal. The old stadium is demolished and work on the new one has started. It’ll take another couple of years to be finished. In the meantime, the Eels are playing at ANZ and the Wanderers at Spotless.

But what happens next? The battle is heating up.

The Daily Telegraph on Wednesday reported that the AFL have put in a submission for ANZ Stadium to remain an oval. In response, the NRL has warned that their grand final could be moved away from Sydney if ANZ Stadium is not converted into a permanently rectangular stadium.

On the surface, the NRL’s warning looks a hollow threat. There’s nowhere for the NRL to go outside Sydney except Suncorp Stadium, which only holds just over 50,000, or the MCG which is also an oval.

But it’s the rectangular codes who are the heaviest users of ANZ Stadium. ANZ Stadium hasn’t hosted a cricket game since 2014, and only one AFL game in the last two years. Both the Giants and the Swans qualified for home finals this year, but neither played their home final at ANZ Stadium.

The one AFL game at ANZ Stadium in the last two years was a derby final, when over 60,000 people saw the Giants record a stirring win over the Swans.

But the AFL was the only code to have injected any funding into the current configuration of ANZ Stadium. And they want to keep their options open.

If ANZ is rectangularised, for the AFL it’s gone forever. If it remains able to be converted to an oval, it remains an option, although not an option they currently want to use. But who knows what the future holds? They want the door open.

Keeping options open requires an oval. The oval sports can’t be played on rectangular grounds. The rectangular sports can still be played on ovals, although the sightlines aren’t as good.

The AFL don’t have a lot of clout in Sydney. But they have cricket on board, and cricket is powerful. And what both cricket and AFL really want is the same.

They want the SCG redevelopments to continue, with the Brewongle, Churchill and O’Reilly Stands to be rebuilt. And they want Spotless Stadium expanded to a 35,000 capacity.

For the SCG, it’s about increasing the capacity and quality of the facilities. And the lack of an exit behind the O’Reilly Stand is a safety issue. The only exit for half the stadium is through a narrow tunnel under the O’Reilly and Trumper Stands, which if an emergency struck would inevitably lead to a dangerous crowd-crush.

And they want it done before the 2021-22 Ashes. They’d cop a hit at the box office if the SCG was a construction site when the biggest cricket series of them all comes around.

For Spotless, the Giants’ crowds are growing but slowly. There’s no immediate hurry to expand, but it would be nice to have. It’s more urgent for cricket, where Sydney Thunder in the Big Bash sell out every game.

There’ll be disruption while those works are done. Capacity at both the SCG and Spotless will be reduced, below what the demand for the big games would be.

And this is where keeping the options open at ANZ comes in. If the ovals are redeveloped first, putting ANZ’s work on hold, the AFL and cricket have the option of using ANZ while the work is done.

But if ANZ is converted to a rectangle first, before work on the ovals is done, AFL and cricket have nowhere to go and would have to accept lower crowds when their grounds are construction sites.

Then there’s two rectangular grounds where work is to be done. Allianz Stadium is looking at a complete rebuild, while ANZ Stadium is looking at major renovations.

But they can’t be done at the same time. While one ground is worked on, the other will be needed to host the big rectangular games.

Do the SCG Trust, who operate both the SCG and Allianz Stadium, want both their grounds to be out of action or reduced capacity at the same time? Or would getting the work done for both grounds simultaneously, despite the short-term disruption, lead to greater long-term gain?

And if Allianz is done first, does that mean calling the NRL’s bluff in relation to the threat to move the Grand Final?

If ANZ Stadium is put on hold while the other grounds are done, there’s the risk it may not happen at all. A change of government, or government cash squeeze, or if other grounds go overtime or have a budget blowout – in short, the money may not be there for ANZ.

That would keep the AFL’s and cricket’s options open forever. And if that wrecks it for the rectangular sports, that’s a deviously beneficial side-effect for the AFL.

Within the rectangular codes, the highest priority would be to get ANZ done. But even there, the view would not be unanimous.

Sydney FC are preparing for a possible move to Leichhardt Oval while work on Allianz Stadium is done. If Allianz is done before ANZ, that could happen quickly. But if ANZ is done first, the Sky Blues, the Roosters and the Waratahs will still be playing at Allianz for the next few years.

There are many competing codes and competing interests in the Harbour City. And in this turf war, not everyone will get their own way.

There won’t be common ground. It’ll be interesting to see how this one plays out.

The Crowd Says:

2019-07-19T06:21:36+00:00

Leonard

Guest


Any chance that the majority readers (mentally) and posters (physically) can ditch the bloody corporate branding of 'our' sports venues by the Big End of Town, and refer to them by their 'real' names? So, ANZ back to Homebush, and Allianz to whatever locational /sporting name which suits it best. As for journos, are they just mindlessly conformist, plain lazy, or are they ordered to write what Big Business tells them to? (And aren't they supposed to be fearlessly independent?)

2017-11-08T08:51:20+00:00

Ben

Guest


The Giants aren't the only team at Spotless Stadium... Sydney Thunder play there in the BBL, and as the Big Bash crowds continue to increase, then so will Cricket Australia's interest in the expanded capacity of Spotless.

2017-11-01T23:21:14+00:00

clipper

Guest


He mentioned once that he tried a deep fried Mars Bar, so he's probably playing for Scotland in the league world cup

2017-11-01T13:05:09+00:00

Josh

Guest


Because WSW live at Parramatta, no one wants to go to Spotless. Only teams that no one in Western Sydney care about have a future there, like the Giants. That is before they pack the whole sorry mess up and move them to Canberra permanently.

2017-11-01T12:59:27+00:00

Doctor Rotcod

Guest


McLachlan, in his letter to Berejiklian, requested that there be a special redevelopment of the SCG,particularly the Brewongle-Churchill stand,built in 1980 and the O'Reilly stand ,built in 1984. Quote,"they do not meet the minimum guidelines of the AFL,'' Just a minute here ,Gillon. In the last month,when negotiations with the WAFC, the Perth Stadium operators,West Coast and Fremantle were stalling about the unreasonable financial demands by the AFL,the AFL went on record suggesting that Subiaco Oval might remain the home of AFL football in WA. At Subiaco, the three-tier stand,built in 1969, and the two-tier stand built in 1980 account for 17000+ of the seats and are in worse condition than the SCG equivalents. Hypocrisy,Gillon, can be measured.A slice of $1.6 billion, in fact

2017-10-30T06:44:45+00:00

Maestro

Guest


This is madness . Sydney people don't usually travel to away games yet they want to centralize games at ANZ. Canterbury and parra fans turn up and that's it. Manly and cronulla fans don't travel en masse and with the traffic who can blame them. Its all about EPL games and 1 SOO and 1 GF - what a poor investment - it sits idel for 6 months bar an A league derby which has peaked - WSW 11K average at Spotless with no opposition.

2017-10-30T06:39:29+00:00

Maestro

Guest


They paid off their investment with the first Swans final (70K?) because they got all the money and it was rent free...

2017-10-30T06:38:20+00:00

Maestro

Guest


McDonald (in jail now) gave the NRL $50m to have the GF in Sydney for 10 years when there were no other bidders to offset screams about money for Spotless upgrade.

2017-10-30T06:36:31+00:00

Maestro

Guest


Wheres crosscoder - he usually comes in and whinges about the AFL getting all the upgrades until someone reminds him that the AFL put money in for updgrades and commit to games whereas the NRL doesn't (except Townsville) and then the RL clubs plays one ground off against another to get the cheapest rent (ANZ, Reffern, Leichhardt, Allianz, Campbelltown, Belmore etc.

2017-10-30T06:30:41+00:00

Maestro

Guest


WSW are getting 11K to their games - has the soccer bubble burst in Sydney as it has for ever other code. RL games were getting 5K for ANZ games and with 1 SOO, RL GF and 1 Bledisloe and no international RL games in Sydney for the next decade why do we need to upgrade ANZ. If the RL put some money in maybe but it looks a white elephant.

2017-10-30T00:14:17+00:00

jeznez

Roar Guru


ANZ's biggest issue is that the sides aren't steep enough so you wind up sitting a mile from the action. Can't see a renovation fixing that and take it a re-build isn't on the cards. Seems a no-brainer in that case to prioritise the SCG and Allianz. Means that Homebush can be used for both rectangular and oval games while their works are happening.

AUTHOR

2017-10-29T22:31:46+00:00

mds1970

Roar Guru


The playing area is a bit on the small side, and I doubt the corporate facilities would be up to scratch for AFL standards. But it is a very picturesque ground.

2017-10-27T23:16:20+00:00

Seano

Roar Rookie


Yes you are correct, the AFL are a well run business. The NRL are a bunch of pokie and chook raffle dependent clowns.

2017-10-27T22:34:06+00:00

Leonard

Guest


"Mike Baird really put his foot in it just before he left" - was that this politician's standard MO? Remember the greyhounds?

2017-10-27T12:39:48+00:00

Leonard

Guest


There is a Foot Ball club in greater Sydney, founded in 1908 when its original players changed codes, which has been rejected and dissed by its original competition since 1999. Maybe it could switch codes again, especially it is based on one of greater Sydney's most picturesque ovals? 2020 or 2022 would be very suitable years to do so.

2017-10-27T06:07:15+00:00

Aligee

Guest


That is not true, Perth would have a 3rd side easily, Tassie would also. Eventually Sydney will have a third team, or a team within the huge population basin that ranges from the ACT to Sydney and up to Newcastle. The AFL will also get into that growing population on the North coast of NSW in a much bigger way than what they currently do.

2017-10-27T05:55:49+00:00

Aligee

Guest


double

2017-10-27T05:55:43+00:00

Aligee

Guest


Whilst GWS was created in AFL headquarters and not on grass roots popularity as they all exist in primarily Swans territory in the Eastern and Northern suburbs the next Sydney OR NSW team will have a decent grass roots base, whether that is in SW Sydney or North at Newcastle.

2017-10-27T05:43:08+00:00

Aligee

Guest


It's a serious question, it will happen and quicker than what people think.

2017-10-27T05:43:03+00:00

Aligee

Guest


It's a serious question, it will happen and quicker than what people think.

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