Brad Thorn's selection policy has him on the right track for a Reds resurrection

By Spiro Zavos / Expert

Last week, The Australian ran an article suggesting that the Reds coach Brad Thorn is facing opposition from Rugby Australia about his reluctance to allow Quade Cooper, Karmichael Hunt, James Slipper and Nick Frisby to play in the NRC.

The article was headlined “Reds get warning on $2m outcasts.

As someone who has written about Australian rugby for more than 30 years, I would argue that Thorn’s ‘no dickheads’ selection policy for Queensland teams is the way to future success for the Reds, and for the Wallabies.

If Thorn believes that this policy should be extended to the NRC, where future talent is being nurtured, then Rugby Australia should yield on this issue.

Wayne Smith, the doyen of Australia’s rugby media, explained the NRC situation this way: “Cooper and Frisby have not played a minute of Super Rugby this season because Reds coach sees no future in them in the Queensland side, preferring to concentrate on the talented next generation of Reds players.”

As for Hunt, Smith pointed out this: “Once he was arrested for drug possession for a second time, at the end of last year, Queensland lost all interest in him.”

And Slipper? “As for Slipper… since twice testing positive to cocaine he, too, has become persona non grata at Ballymore.”

Smith claims that while Rugby Australia has supported the ban against these players playing Super Rugby, it wants them available for the NRC. This tournament is the national showcase while the Wallabies are playing in the Rugby Championship and, he argues, “there is no question the four players would bolster attendances and viewer numbers significantly.”

Bolstering attendances for a tournament that has limited popular appeal is not the issue. The real issue is whether a group of senior players who have nothing valuable to offer the Reds or the Wallabies, who have lost the support of the coach of the Reds, and rightly so, should be allowed to play in a tournament designed to encourage rising talent.

At this point, it needs to be stated very strongly that when he became the head coach of the Reds, Brad Thorn inherited a team in disarray and an organisation that was in a shambles. The future of the Reds is in the hands of Thorn and not in the hands of four players who have had their chance and, aside from the glorious year of 2011 for Cooper and Slipper, have wasted it.

The Queensland Rugby Union has given Thorn its total support, as it should and as it must after the disasters since 2011.

(Photo by Jono Searle/Getty Images)

Its chairman Jeff Miller, a quality loose forward for the Reds and Wallabies in his day, wants to lock Thorn into a ten-year contract. This is problematic. It is sufficient to say that right now he is right coach for the Reds.

Thorn has proved in his first Super Rugby season as a head coach, despite the ten losses suffered, that he is on track to restore the Reds to their former glory as one of the great provincial sides in world rugby.

A lot of media coverage regarding the ban on Quade Cooper has focussed on Brad Thorn’s antagonism to the Wallaby playmaker’s ridiculous baiting of Richie McCaw.

This was only a small consideration, if any consideration at all, why Thorn dumped Cooper.

It is sometimes forgotten that Thorn passed up an early chance of becoming an All Black because he wasn’t sure at the time whether he would stay in rugby or return to league.

This mantra of “team before self” was reinforced by the belief that greatness is not something thrust upon you, a gift from the gods, but a responsibility that had to be worked out, incessantly, to be enhanced and cherished by continual hard work.

When Thorn came to the Crusaders, he lacked a number of attributes that were needed for him to become a starter for the All Blacks.

I once asked Robbie Deans, Thorn’s first rugby coach at the Crusaders, why he didn’t play Thorn at number 8, a more natural fit for something coming league to rugby.

He smiled at me. And rather than replying directly to the question gave me this insight into his thinking. He told me that he spent hours throwing a boot to Thorn and getting him to catch it while jumping higher enough to land on a strong box in front of him.

And so I worked out the answer to my question. It was more profitable for Thorn and the Crusaders for the former Bronco to concentrate on mastering high lineout skills, teachable skills to someone dedicated to improving his play, than to try to improve his speed (something that couldn’t be taught or learnt) to the level required for a world-class loose forward.

The All Blacks and Crusaders used Thorn and his background in league to create a new type of second-rower, the power second-rower who made the big tackles, added strength to the scrum shove and was an intimidating figure in the collisions and chaos that is created in play after play in modern rugby.

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And let us not forget that in the final lineout of the 2011 Rugby World Cup final, Andrew Hore threw to Thorn who caught the ball and then, using his strength, repulsed a massive shove from the French pack. His steadiness under intense pressure ensured the victory that was probably the most important in All Blacks history.

If style can be defined as grace under pressure, character can be described as steadiness under pressure. And it is this sense of character that Thorn epitomised as a player, and now looks for in all his players as a coach.

There is no doubt, too, that this characteristic of steadiness under pressure is one of the keys to a successful sports side.

England’s football coach, Gareth Southgate, now only the third English manager to take his side in the semi-finals of a World Cup, summed up why his team has been so unexpectedly successful so far in Russia.

It was all about “discipline” and “resilience”, he noted: “I know those are slightly old-fashioned qualities but we don’t have the right to just stroll around a football pitch. We just play with character and I love that about them.”

That could be Brad Thorn speaking about what he wants for the Queensland Reds.

That also could be Thorn explaining why he doesn’t want Cooper, Frisby, Hunt and Slipper.

After his Reds’ 37–23 victory over the Rebels, Thorn told reporters: “All I asked them was to compete on every play and they did and they got a result. It might not mean much in the overall scheme of the competition, but it means something to us, it means something to Queensland.”

It was significant that the multi-talented Rebels caved in to the resolute Reds in the last 30 minutes of play, with the scoreline standing 24–23 to the Reds, by conceding a couple of penalties and then a try in the 74th minute of play.

There is a Russian proverb that has much wisdom embedded in it: “The fox knows many things. The hedgehog knows one big thing.”

Brad Thorn, as a player and as a coach, knows one big thing about successful rugby teams: they are steady under pressure, on and off the field.

At the beginning of the season, Thorn selected Cooper and Frisby for his Super Rugby squad. But he quickly realised that neither of them would play in the way he wanted his playmakers to run a game. So within days, he cut both of them loose.

Thorn explained his decision to Wayne Smith that he wanted his team to play as he used to play: “His teams won’t be flashy or innovative, but they will play for each other and, by God, they will defend as if their lives depended on it … He wanted a five-eighth who would run the game the way, he, Thorn, wanted. In short, he wanted someone he could rely on.”

Hamish Stewart provided this reliability to the Reds as their five-eighth in their against-the-odds victory over the Rebels.

With Cooper on the outer, former Wallaby prop Dan Crowley is demanding, too, that Karmichael Hunt leaves rugby, at least rugby in Australia.

(AAP Image/Dave Hunt)

Crowley is a brave man who worked as an undercover policeman in the 1980s while playing for the Wallabies. He insists that Hunt must do the right thing.

Jim Tucker quoted Crowley after Hunt played in a club match for Souths over the weekend, at the invitation of Cooper: “I’m very disappointed Souths have done this when Hunt’s club North did show fortitude to stand up for principles in the game by saying there was no place for him there … there is no place cocaine in sport.”

Thankfully, Thorn knows well who there should and shouldn’t be a place for at the Reds.

The Crowd Says:

2018-07-29T06:44:49+00:00

Hammer50

Roar Rookie


Brad Thorn recently said in an interview that it was a hard decision to cut QC. He stated that he had been QC's gym coach for the previous season. Time enough to get to know him well. Also the unspoken stuff where QC would move to fullback on defence because his chanel at first five created too many holes , was a bit of a joke. Super Rugby has evolved to where all 15 guys need to be enthusiastic tacklers and strong supporters in the clean outs and QC was never that.....

2018-07-12T12:50:49+00:00

Gishan De Soyza

Roar Pro


If that is the case then based on this years results no one in the squad fits into the way he wants to play. Just pointing out Thorn's own logic.

2018-07-12T12:46:07+00:00

Gishan De Soyza

Roar Pro


Jacko, so I'm guessing that what you are trying to say is that everyone else at the Reds now are good players?

2018-07-12T06:00:02+00:00

Ruckin Oaf

Guest


Hey Jacko, And the Reds haven't offered George Smith a new contract. By your amazing feats of "logic" that must mean that Smith is a dud player too.

2018-07-12T00:00:08+00:00

Reality Check

Guest


AussieKiwi You are a New Zealander ? yeah ? You are irrelevant in this debate.

2018-07-10T23:58:20+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


They Rebels have gotten better. That's one team. Teams like the Brumbies have gotten worse. They never got to face the Sunwolves in 2017. They had to face the Crusaders instead. They faced the better Lions in SA in 2017. They faced a weaker Lions in Brisbane in 2018. 2 of the teams they faced in 2017 amassed 14 wins in 15 games. The best team they have faced this year is the Hurricanes with 11 wins. Your whole argument seems to be based on every team getting better. That's in fact not possible.

2018-07-10T23:17:54+00:00

Rhys Bosley

Guest


You argued that point in the context of saying the Reds faced an easier draw than last year, when it is indisputable that the Rebels have gotten better. Same goes for several other teams in fact, I just can’t be bothered spelling it out for you. Quit the sophistry, it is unbecoming.

2018-07-10T11:48:05+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


Where did I say the playing group isn’t better? You didn’t claim the Rebels were better. You claimed they were the best of two teams combined. Part of the reason why the Rebels won more games is also 2 games vs the Sunwolves, and not having a record injury toll. What I have said is not spin. It’s a fact. Are there not 10-15 tier 1 internationals that played for the Force and Rebels last year that are not at the Rebels this year.

2018-07-10T11:23:43+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


And? Those players aren’t contracted unti then. cooper is.

2018-07-10T11:17:14+00:00

System of a Downey Jr

Guest


Hunt and Slipper have put themselves in their own positions so I think it's a little disingenuous to blame or even praise Thorn for not playing them. The real point is Cooper and I can see why people are still scratching their heads. Cooper isn't a player of the future but he would have brought hefty experience to the Reds. Cooper has never been the same since the 2011 WC and the injury he suffered at the end of it. Cheika obviously hasn't helped his cause. Since it felt like that 2015 Bledisloe 2 match was his idea was to put Cooper into the blast furnace at Eden Park and see if he survived or melted. Cooper got a YC and the ABs climbed toward half a ton. Perhaps Cheika thought this was the closest he could appromixate a WC knock out game and afterwards instead put his eggs forever into the Foley basket. So what does Thorn have to play with? A guy he clearly doesn't have time for and who has been out of favour with the national coach for years, who walked away from the national team because it was a 'toxic environment'. It's not so much that Quade maybe difficult to work with - it's just difficult to see what makes him content. I don't think it's this much discussed 'no dheads policy'. I really don't. I just think everyone has to buy in to the gameplay and the most pivotal position is the one Cooper plays. Thorn couldn't communicate with him or see a future with him and bounced him. Now that maybe Thorn's folly as Mark Hammet did a similar thing at the Canes and marginalised one of the greatest 2nd-fives NZ has ever known. He didn't have the results go his way and he didn't last long as a coach there.

2018-07-10T11:03:40+00:00

Snow Bjelke-Petersen

Guest


Jacko, wrong again! Alister said Tupou's brother was already living in Brisbane which is factually incorrect.

2018-07-10T10:57:43+00:00

Jacko

Guest


Bummer, I knew i forgot something

2018-07-10T10:45:17+00:00

Jacko

Guest


Looks like Thorn has pixelated QCs face too eh RC

2018-07-10T10:41:23+00:00

Jacko

Guest


Haha sorry RC but about 8 of the Qld squad are born in NZ.......Dump them all....Get that Brumbie Pocock out of the Aus team too...he's a Zimbabwian...LOL

2018-07-10T10:36:06+00:00

Jacko

Guest


Snow I read your link and it backs up exactly what Alister said and also says QC rang him....It even mentions his brother role

2018-07-10T10:34:55+00:00

Kirky

Roar Rookie


owstreet! You must know something that most of us don't, as I for one can't remember the Reds ever being an Australian ''Powerhouse!! Fill us in mate on what you know!!

2018-07-10T10:30:42+00:00

Mukhtar

Guest


Agreed, mate.

2018-07-10T10:25:13+00:00

Jacko

Guest


Any of those...or any others they may sign

2018-07-10T10:19:49+00:00

Jacko

Guest


Sorry TWAS but many players are bought into a squad from the outer.......And have never trained with them or at their facilities until called up

2018-07-10T10:16:09+00:00

Jacko

Guest


So true...How can the draw be weaker when half the teams they play have improved....Tahs and Rebels are 2 who have had wins against an NZ side...Brumbies did too...No Aus side did last season so they must have improved...therefore the draw must actually be harder than last year

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