Eight talking points from NRL Round 20

By Scott Pryde / Expert

After a weekend of comebacks, upsets and statement games, the top eight still has one place to sort itself out while the race to avoid the dreaded wooden spoon has taken shape. Here are my talking points from Round 20.

We must be able to rule on forward passes
This isn’t a knock on the referees, but it’s more a knock on the power of the bunker and what they are and aren’t allowed to do in the game.

Forward passes are an issue the game seem as if they will never be able to fix up.

Nearly ever week, in every single game you watch, countless forward passes are let go. The odd one is pulled up, but it’s a bad look for the game when you know tries have been scored off passes which were a lot further forwards.

While you could immediately place all the blame at the foot of the touch judges’ and question what their point of purpose on the field is, it’s frustrating the game can pour millions of dollars into the bunker and not be able to get them right there.

Sure, they have the problems of whether the ball actually came backwards out of the hands and not enough cameras, but there are no excuses at this point. They can work it out in some other sports on video technology, but can’t get it right in the NRL.

We aren’t asking for absolute perfection. At the end of the day, if it’s questionable, they can do what they do now and go with the on-field call, but the fact of the matter is, the current system we have to work out forward passes isn’t working.

It was proven time and time again in crucial situations over the weekend and it’s only a matter of time before a teams season ends or the grand final is decided on a dodgy pass not picked up by the officiating team in the heat of the moment.

James Tedesco will decide whether the Roosters win the comp or not
If anything was learnt during the first half of the Dragons and Roosters on Sunday afternoon, it’s that James Tedesco is currently one of the best players in the competition.

The Roosters and New South Wales Blues fullback is outstanding and nearly impossible to slow down when he is on his game, as he proved during the Origin series and has done for the Roosters on numerous occasions this season.

His first half in particular on Sunday saw him involved in everything as he shredded the opposition defence, ensuring the tri-colours would go into the halftime break leading 16-0.

Tedesco has the complete package, but it’d be fair to say there are times this season when it just hasn’t worked for the Roosters. Whether it’s his combination with Cooper Cronk or the way he has played fitting into Trent Robinson’s season, his form was patchy for the first half of the season.

After Sunday, it finally looks like things have clicked into the gear for the Roosters to potentially win the competition.

They were favourites for a reason coming into the season. Their roster is elite and, on paper at least, at the very top of the game. They now found themselves well in the top four just a handful of weeks from the season and if this form continues, they are going to be hard to stop.

Tedesco is a big part of the reason why.

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Penrith can’t let their comeback paper over the cracks
First up, holy moly. What an incredible comeback that was from Penrith. I still don’t know how they managed it, but they did to keep their top four hopes well and truly alive.

But steering away from the comeback, there are issues at the foot of the mountains. Issues they must address if they want to anywhere in the finals.

Sure, four tries in six minutes is going to create mass hysteria amongst the fans, but the bottom line is that if Penrith had of started (or played any of the first 60 minutes at their top level), they wouldn’t have been in that position.

Slow starts have been an issue for Penrith all season. If you were to look at the ladder across the first 60 minutes of games this season, they are well off the pace with a for and against of minus one.

While they are the best finishing team in the competition, often winning games in the last 20 minutes, they can’t afford to put themselves under that much pressure during the finals, or they will find themselves bounced out of the competition very quickly.

Anthony Griffin has a lot of issues to fix. Their errors, their defence on the goalline at times and attacking options among them, but it comes down to whether their forwards can get rolling from the start. If that happens, then Penrith are a strong side.

If not, they are going to keep relying on the last 20 minutes, which will see their season-ending before they want it to.

(Photo by Mark Kolbe/Getty Images).

Will the wobbling Warriors hold off the Tigers?
It’s incredibly tough to get a read on the eighth spot right at the moment. For the last month, it’s gone from being locked in to not locked in and back around in a circle again.

Varying opinions are bread and butter of the NRL when it comes down to the top eight, but the Tigers could mathematically still miss out on the eight, so that’s more than good enough for me to at least entertain the option, given the form of the two sides over the last few weeks.

The Tigers looked shot on Friday night. After huge wins over competition heavyweights the Dragons and Rabbitohs, they came out against the Bulldogs and looked like they didn’t know which direction to run to find the tryline. It was an awful performance, genuinely their worst of the season.

The Warriors then had the opportunity to put the argument to bed when they played against the Titans, but didn’t come out of the halftime sheds. For all the good they did during the second half, they could have been on a plane back to Auckland and it wouldn’t have changed the result all that much.

With so much to play for, their defensive effort was embarrassing and reminiscent of previous seasons, rather than what has been sighted from the Auckland-based club for most of this season.

For things to change, the Tigers need to simply win two more games than the Warriors and get a for and against turnaround of 26 points – which is not that much if they go on a run of wins.

The Tigers run home reads the Knights, Raiders, Dragons, Sea Eagles and Rabbitohs, while the Warriors will play the Dragons, Knights, Bulldogs, Panthers and Raiders.

Ordinarily, you’d say the Warriors will be right. But their performance against the Titans suggests otherwise. If the Tigers can get back to their best, three of those games should be certainties and they could quite easily go five from five.

Simply put, this isn’t over. If the Warriors don’t win two or three, the nerves will be real.

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Should Brisbane’s defence be credited or is the Sharks attack that much of a worry?
Thursday was another controversial encounter, but there are problems for Cronulla. While the Broncos won again, although not nearly as convincing as when they thumped Penrith last week, the Sharks attack was awful.

They only ran up ten points despite having the lions share of possession. At times, they looked lost attacking the Brisbane line, and while attack hasn’t been a huge issue for them this year, you have to wonder exactly where they are at.

Their backline, while coming good at different points, has the potential to be extremely fragile. Matt Moylan in the halves, Valentine Holmes at fullback along with the defensively poor Chad Townsend and youngster Jayden Brailey.

It’s either going to come off or its not. Holmes is still trying to become the player he is on the wing at the back, whie Moylan’s game in the halves can go from hero to zero in a matter of moments.

The problem with that backline is, when it doesn’t fire, like it failed to on Thursday, there is very little chance of them being able to turn it around in the same game, and during the finals, that’s not where you want to be.

Brisbane’s defence also deserves a wrap, but it’s not what will win them the comp – that’s a dominant running game and quick play the balls allowing Kodi Nikorima and Anthony Milford to do their thing.

For now though, the Sharks need to get back on the training paddock and hope things click for them at crunch time.

What to make of the race to avoid the spoon?
The wooden spoon is something no club wants to end up with. The Bulldogs and Cowboys clearly illustrated their desire to avoid it with wins over the Tigers and Knights respectively.

Coming into this weekend, those two teams along with the Eels were all on ten points, but the two victories leave the Eels outright last, which, to be honest, they probably don’t deserve to be.

Given the Eels almost toppled Souths, it could have been a different story, but it now seems destiny that they will pick up the most unwanted prize in the competition.

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Ben Hunt and Gareth Widdop have to get back to his best if the Dragons are to make a charge in September
Ever since the Origin window, the Dragons halves have looked like different players – and that’s certainly not for the best.

During the first two months (longer) of the season, Hunt and Widdop were among the competition’s form players as they got the Dragons off to a blistering start.

Yet, comparing the Dragons win over the Roosters on Anzac Day and their horrendous performance today is like comparing apples and oranges. There is no comparison.

On Anzac Day, which we can use to represent the first portion of the season, the Dragons halves were brilliant. They picked the right option kicking, were dangerous running the ball and seemed to pop up at all the right times.

Since the end of Origin 2 when Ben Hunt had that woeful game which virtually handed New South Wales the shield on a platter, both halves have been off the boil and it’s showing in the Dragons results, with the Red V dropping to the edge of the top four, losing three of their last four matches.

It’s a slump, and the halves lack of control over things is heavily to blame.

Yet, they could still turn things around. The Dragons run to the end of the season is incredibly weak Warriors at home, Eels, Tigers, Bulldogs and Knights on the agenda over the final five rounds.

Hunt seems very much to be a confidence player, so he could easily get his mojo back heading into the finals which, one way or another, the Dragons will be part of.

Widdop, on the other hand, seems to play well when he has a confident, firing halves partner. So, you connect the dots. If Hunt starts playing well, Widdop probably does well and on the back of their forward pack which still has the potential to be the best in the comp, things could quickly turn around.

The Red V are running out of time to get it right though.

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South Sydney need to win well next week
I have a concern for the Rabbitohs at the moment. After nine straight wins, they lost last week, and that was all fine. It was the loss they needed to have as the intensity and energy went out of their incredible run to the top of the table.

On Saturday, they needed to get straight back to the top of their game against the hapless Parramatta Eels.

Instead of being the brilliant Bunnies we have come to know over the last two months though, they stumbled, fumbled and struggled their way to a six-point win.

Two points are two points, but the competition leaders want more than just to be going past the Eels at the moment. They want to be smacking teams like the Eels to confirm their finals credentials.

Credit where credit is due to Parramatta as well, because they did play a solid game of footy, but South Sydney should have smoked them. Not only just got out of it at the end.

What Souths can’t afford is a rot of average footy to set in. They take on the Storm and Roosters in the next fortnight, and with those three teams (Souths included) likely to fight out the premiership between them, there probably isn’t a more crucial pair of games this season for the Rabbitohs.

Win those and they enter the finals full of confidence. Lose them and there is a real chance they drop out of the top four to Penrith or Cronulla, entering the finals straight into an elimination scenario on the back of some form which would suggest anything but a premiership favourite.

Roarers, what did you make of Round 20? Drop a comment below and let us know.

The Crowd Says:

2018-07-30T14:18:11+00:00

TigerMike

Guest


Great read as always thanks man Tigers tragic says.. Just like I've been saying.. Last week.. The week before.. Again.. Well we'll know this week whether or not they're a chance... for the top eight..? Even if they are, even odds let's say, still way too unreliable but... Good news is.. I think I know what's missing, what's needed

2018-07-30T14:05:53+00:00

TigerMike

Guest


Yeah, sweet to see a gal cop her own bs for a change

2018-07-30T11:45:49+00:00

Rob

Guest


The Storm are looking the goods again. The Roosters are racking up impressive wins but I’m not convinced they are coming up teams that are traveling well over the last month. The Dragons will finish the season well and Mary may have an opportunity to freshen the team up over the next month of football because his rep players are looking a bit flat. The Bunker should be able to rule on absolute shocking forward passes being let go but my only concern is the amount may increase if referees shy away from making the calls. I think the earpiece might be the refs biggest problem? Let the ref and touch judges make the decision and if the Bunker is called in just have a couple of looks? Stop the 20 replays to find one angle still shot that contradicts the original decision. This has been one of the most frustrating years I have ever experienced watching the game due to officials game managing. I also believe the Coaches and players need to be held to account over the way in which the game is being played at times. Start giving them written warnings, fines and suspensions for breaking the rules. $2k for not getting to your feet, failing to play the ball with the foot, arguing with the ref, interfering with the markers, stepping of the mark.

2018-07-30T11:38:27+00:00

Dodgy Dragons

Roar Rookie


Nightingale packpedaled when Mitchell had the ball for ten metres, before he attempts to tackle him on the try line, by then it is way to late. If Mitchell kicks and scores around you, so be it but to run backwards for over ten metres with him running at you is suicide. Unfortunately for the dragons right side defence they are constantly backpedaling on all points of the field, whereas our left side are coming up in a line and moving towards the attack - it’s no surprise to me that 2/3 of saints conceded tries this year have come down Hunt, Aitken and nightingales side.

2018-07-30T10:59:56+00:00

Rob

Guest


TB can you please not bring up the hand of Foran as an example of ridicules Bunkers. This season is bad enough of us Cowboys supporters.

2018-07-30T09:56:00+00:00

Big daddy

Guest


I am missing Oingo Boingo. Has he gone into hibernation.

2018-07-30T08:16:46+00:00

Muzz

Guest


Steve Mavin

2018-07-30T06:34:17+00:00

KenW

Guest


A bit harsh on Nightingale. That try was on the last tackle, Cronk had the ball 10 metres out and 15m from the sideline. Name me a winger who would have pushed up in defence in that scenario and I'll name you a winger who'll never play much first grade.

2018-07-30T06:30:49+00:00

Mushi

Guest


Clear favorites in every game = still better to take the field

2018-07-30T06:29:01+00:00

Mushi

Guest


To be fair it is only a record because we renamed the competition.

2018-07-30T06:28:42+00:00

KenW

Guest


'The Dragons pack have lost the ability to play direct. They seem to be doing too much sideways stuff' The amount of times they started running a play in attacking position and then the player with the ball decided it wasn't working so slowed down, jinked on the spot and then gave a cold offload to someone else standing still would be in double-digits. The sideways stuff then starts from there since they lose all momentum on that play (and usually the next). Better that they commit to the play even if it looks covered, it only takes one lazy tackle attempt to get a try, at the very least you can take some momentum into the next play.

2018-07-30T05:04:05+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


I’m not against the captain’s challenge either but some of its proponents just seem to say “captains challenge will fix it” without articulating how or why. Say we’ve got a game where the hand of Foran incident takes place. The ref awards try. The Cowboys challenge it and they go to the bunker. The video ref incorrectly awards try. Manly get awarded a try which is exactly what happened under the current rules. But under captain’s challenge not only would the try stand but the Cowboys would be unable to refer anything else for review. As the refs can’t refer directly to the bunker, the Cowboys are reliant on the refs getting everything correct from that point without the aid of technology. So I just can’t see how that scenario is an improvement on the current system. Even if a captain does use a challenge incorrectly and loses the right to challenge, there could be three more instances in that game wher the refs make an incorrect call on the field that could easily be sorted out in the bunker. Again, I don’t see how that’s an improvement. Fans aren’t going to say “oh well, we just have to cop those three dud decisions on the chin because our captain used our one challenge incorrectly” The captain’s challenge is a way of limiting how often the technology is used. It’s not a way of improving accuracy of decision making. It can’t be. It’s really not the answer to the problem we have at the moment. I look forward to the article mate !

2018-07-30T04:45:32+00:00

Tauranga boy

Guest


There's enough bunker already. Does the writer really want more playing and replaying of borderline passes?After all, passes thrown backwards can drift forwards - it's a law of physics. I prefer a degree of leniency towards flat passes, and like them only pulled up when they are blatantly forward.

2018-07-30T03:47:52+00:00

Bunney

Roar Rookie


I'm not really following your first paragraph TB. But in answer to your clear question about confidence in the bunker...oh, wait. That was rhetorical. ? I'm not on board with the captain's challenge, but I'm not opposed to it either. I think there are much better, more effective fixes out there, that'll be simpler to implement. Probably needs a full article to explain though. One day perhaps I'll enlighten everyone with my genius... and then get shot down by my fellow Roarers

2018-07-30T03:47:00+00:00

Albo

Guest


Yep, Cleary needs to be running the Panthers out there. He showed what he can do in that 8 minute , 4 try period at Brookie on Saturday. Maloney is carrying injuries or spent physically, and needs a good rest. Shame Crichton buggered up Luai for the year. Perhaps May can run at 6 for a few games whilst Maloney freshens up ? The other change I would make would be to play Egan at 9 instead of Katoa. He offers more from dummy half I believe, and is more dangerous in attack.

2018-07-30T03:33:04+00:00

BA Sports

Roar Guru


I agree. His passing is pretty as well. (Almost) always infront of the man be it a half or charging forward. I think he is a much better defender as well - He has missed 5 tackles in 200 minutes of football. I think long term their roles will be reversed.

2018-07-30T03:28:26+00:00

Worlds Biggest

Guest


Widdop needs to ditch the ditzy blonde ‘ do ‘ and go back to being an intelligent brunette !!

2018-07-30T03:24:36+00:00

Albo

Guest


100% on the Panthers missing Wallace ! But with him gone now, I think they should be playing Egan at 9 instead of Katoa. He has more vision and variety at dummy half, and can get the pack rolling forward.

2018-07-30T02:52:00+00:00

3_Hats SSTID 2014

Roar Rookie


Scott, the ruling on forward-passes by the Video Ref was only in 1997 in the traitors league only. The Old ARL then the NRL 1998 and beyond have never ever ruled on them.

2018-07-30T01:24:39+00:00

RandyM

Guest


Yesterday the Dragons looked like they did a few years ago when Benji was there. Standing too deep in attack, no bodies in motion, everyone in the attacking line flat footed. They looked very pedestrian, not good signs.

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