What the Wallabies can learn from South Africa's win against the All Blacks

got your Jockstrap on back-to-front mate....NZ are not like any rugby team....unlike the WBs and SBs....Inexperience centres...really...who you watching....average back-row....who you watching... but having said that, I expect the WBs to beat the SBs this weekend....now have another look at your Jockstrip/Jockstrap

ABs have always been beatable...WBs beat them last year and in 2015....so not sure what your point is....when you same COMPLETELY BEATABLE...we all know the WBs are push-over most of the time as are the SBs....the lesson for the Wellington loss is....KICK YOUR CONVERSIONS....

Hi Sione As a South African, I am biased....(but we all are) It is different between NZ and SA. And it's difficult to draw conclusions. NZ have held the wood over us for ages but there is something about that game. I just can't wait for the NZ vs SA games. I am old enough to remember when the two sides were even and my feelings werent different then. They are the enemy we respect (and love a little). I like other test matches but I don't love them. There is an arrogant part of me (despite having no basis for this arrogance) that believes that victory against everyone else is just required. Defeat against NZ is acceptable as long as we try our hearts out and give them a good go. I don't like it... but its OK. I am positive our players feel the same way deep down.. They would never verbally dismiss other nations. It's no coincidence that in the last 15 years NZ have only lost 3x to a national side (BL not a national side). All 3x to SA. I can't wait for Pretoria. I know NZ are going to want to extract revenge and I wouldn't have it any other way May the best side win and I hope its the Boks...

There needs to be some kind of scoreboard pressure on the ABs if you're going to compete. Barrett's kicking is noticeably worse when things are close.

Agree OB but the SA win also gives the other teams a sniff .

Fair point sort of... no-one has said that any team master how to rush to perfection in defense or how to negate it while attacking.

genia isnt the problem....The coach keeps picking him and wont select a new bloke at HB so the coach and his selections is the issue.....I certainly dont expect Genia to say "sorry coach I think you should select another half back"

6 try's would say different.........Surely if the rush defence worked it would mean the ABs scored less try's........leaking 5 try's tells a more accurate story as does 23 errors.....not to mention some bad decisions

Absolutely J. I still don't understand why the ABs forwards decided to muscle-up in the last qtr rather than the first qtr. I commented before that you do the hard yards before going wide - well, the ABs seemed to do the opposite and the SBs pack, just got more confident as each minute, ticked over. Its an old lesson but, it's one that the ABs usually try first to mix their tactics. It only works when they have run their opponents, into the dirt by the last qtr. It didn't work last week so, it's back to the drawing board.

You can't do all that if your forwards don't bring the muscle. That's one of the main points you should mention. Boks brought the muscle against the ABs and match up toe to toe for 80 mins. Look at how the Boks forwards stop the Abs forward wave after wave of pick up drive in the last play of the match.. Had it been the Wallabies, ABs would've done it in the 3rd drive. Wallabies got the weakest forwards in the comp so it's something they got to work on.

There are signs, but not just Genia. The attitude of the untouchable n Cheika has this as will. Only Pocock, seems to play without this attitude. Honestly, they all ready a rocket up their arse including the RA.

It is the wallaby experienc d players that show no leadership and the idea that they are entitled forever to keep their position. Genia often doesn’t even try. He has the Gregan entitlement virus

"Clearly the ABs haven’t got the hang of effective rush defences yet." They are in good company hence no other team has worked out how to counter a well-executed rush defense either. And to be fair, the AB's own rush defense is pretty good also.

You see the English front row and back row being superior to their Australian counterparts? I would give them an edge in the 2nd row but suggesting England has a superior front row/back row is a stretch. They could beat the ABs, as Oz did last year, but I don't see any justification for rating England a 'great chance' of doing so.

Wallabies won’t win another game in the Rugby Championships, they’re gone!! We are a mentally weak team and only have one game in six in us!! I lament our coaches persona after losses and during Test matches, it just doesn’t instill admiration, confidence, nothing!! Unfortunately for Cheika he has run out of ideas and his coaching group aren’t helping!! The playing group is spooked, we have the unfortunate situation of having two great players, Genia and Beale who will not just settle and play rugby, in Beatles case he thinks he can fix everything and when the chips are down he tries to win it on his own??? Genia is the same and add to that Cheika’s personality we are not really in a good place!! Leadership is lacking and that starts at the top hot our embattled Wallabies!!! The Spring Tour will be a Tour to forget with the opposition licking their lips at the thought of a wounded and gutted Wallaby that is stuck in limbo!!! We need a new start, bring in Brad Thorne to build a culture that will in turn bear fruit, we need it and we need it now!!!

ABs are lucky that way. A loss lets them know more about themselves than any win. And that's only because they rarely lose. Other sides that lose often probably don't learn as much or consistently because from loss to loss there may be all sorts of reasons...plug one hole and another opens... Clearly the ABs haven't got the hang of effective rush defences yet.

The Boks deserve to win, they took their opportunities n defended will. The ABs, needed a stress test, how they would perform under pressure, chasing points, with time running out. The test ,proved they can chase n hard , there is still plenty of room for improvement n the drop goal option is always there, the firepower they have got is extreme, so no team would be comfortable against them, the pressure will always be there. The lost to the ABs will be a reminder to them n the the lesson noted. The win to the Boks will give them confidence . This test was a win for both teams .

Scoring early is no doubt important but being in touch at the half-time dinger is probably adequate. Stopping the All Blacks from scoring either side of that spell is possibly more important, more so if you're able to add points yourself in that crucial period. The All Blacks have and always will be beatable. With Hansen's apparent mandate of a flat back-line distributing at the gain-line in an effort to set the back three away, there are opportunities too. They have been susceptible to intercepts in all of those losses, for example. It's no secret the men in black struggle with a well organised rush defense; Faf put pressure on our halves all night, forcing errors and strong tackling pushed the ball carrier back and limiting off-loading and presenting turnover opportunities. And it lasted for the full eighty, another imperative. The bench is a major strength of the All Blacks generally but their impact was somewhat negated, although Goodhue was again impressive. But Tuipolutu, for example, struggled with the heat being applied. The Bokke set-piece was much improved from Brisbane too and accuracy here, especially at line-outs, remains an important platform, both sides scoring tries from them. Another intangible factor, the top couple of inches. The belief, hunger desperation. Call it what you will. The Bokke brought it and as the match progressed they could smell it, combating the searing lungs, Owens' poor penalising of Kitchsoff and a rampant All Blacks who chased them hard all the way to the gong. It might take a bit of a "perfect storm" as Venter said in his piece earlier in the week but it can be done, has been done and will be done again. And that's what makes the All Black response to these set-backs all the more interesting...

Score and score early, with points on the board early SA were able to create a gap? Really? When is early then? Pretty sure boks were down 12-0 after ten minutes. In fact i think youll find svoring early means nothing where the ABs are concerned. I feel more comfortable when the ABs are doen early, as it wakes them up and they know theyre actually in a test match. ABs are beatable. Yes they are, but theyre probably slightly less beatable for that match, going by the past at least.

If anything, this loss to the SBs IMO, provides the AB coaching panel the opportunity to get the side to re-set the default button and re-boot themselves over the last half a dozen or so tests that remain, this season. Similar to what happened after the BIL tour last year where they suffered a loss and a draw, the remaining season games offered the opportunity to re-set and re-start. A close loss against the WBs before going overseas didn't help but, the challenges on the EOYT never diminished and showed the ABs that every game is an invitation to their opposition, to lift themselves when playing against the No1 ranked side, in global rugby. And so it proved. This year, the EOYT will be no different. My guess is the ABs will have maybe 10-11 tests to go before kicking off their RWC campaign on 21-Sep-2019, against the SBs. Plenty of time for both sides to re-set, re-boot and re-start.