Crows sack two more in coaching cull

What is the "negative criticism" you are referring to? That Richmond have not travelled well on average over the past 3 years? I have considered it, so let me spell it out. 1. The criticism is wrong since over that period they still won over 50% of games interstate. That has to be at least above average. 2. In 2017 and 2019 their travelling record was very good, so it doesn't put a cloud on their Premiership in the way some Adelaide supporters would think. 3. In 2018 it was poor, but it was no big deal. Round 2 to Adelaide was always on because Tex needed some sort of redemption, then lost to West Coast who were eventual Premiers (I was never confident of beating them in finals if we met), Port (disappointing) and GWS by 2 points (could have gone either way). 4. Importantly, I am not concerned about their travelling record going in to 2020. They can get it done when they need to. So your criticism is kind of meh to me.

I wasn't trying to compare Richmond this year with Adelaide, but both teams in 2017, just used some wrong figures on Richmond for one comment. But the orginal figures I used (60% travelling wins vs 59% for Adelaide in 2017) was correct. You can look at 2018 if you like but you should look at years in isolation, for the simple reason that Richmond travelling in 2018 has nothing to do with their 2017 or 2019 Premierships. If they won in 2018 you could mount a case that they were lucky not to travel or weren't that great because they only won at home, but that claim doesn't stack up for their Premiership years for the reasons I have stated.

Interesting. I don't think I have ever used the term salty. Funny you should bring it up.

And to finish, i'll make a prediction. You're next comment will be some smart alec response about Crows fans still being salty about the the 2017 loss, while refusing to consider any negative criticism about your beloved Tigers may have an element of truth to it haha. :thumbup:

2018 should most definitely be taken into account, because Richmond were favourites to win the flag all year and choked in the pre-lim. And you really shouldn't be comparing a team who finished 1st last year, to a team who finished 12th. I'm going to save myself the trouble of spelling it all out for you, because I've read your comment history and its painted you as a delusional Richmond supporter. You except no criticism and thats fine, clubs need blind faithful supporters such as yourself to keep $$$ flowing in when the going gets tough.

Best thing that has happened to this club start again . Pike campo and the others just needed to go All decent people . Whatever was said to the players in the camp was wrong break there spirit .Loosing the Grand final is a had pill to swallow sometimes you dont ever recover .

Try posting your ridiculous comments in the correct place Russ! Damfangled new technology eh?

Oops I mixed years with those percentages, but correct figures were similar . In both '17 and '19 Richmond's interstate losses coincided with their Vic losses.

The reason I didn't refer to 2018 is because the original comment was about Richmond winning in 2017 and your implication that they couldn't win interstate so they weren't really that good for Premiers. Well, their win ratio was as good as Adelaide managed that year and it was even better this year. 2018 doesn't seem too relevant to the 2017 Premiership or the 2019 Premiership. Even if you want to take 2018 into account it still over 50% (including finals). Below par? Sounds above average to me. In 2017 Richmond won 54% of games prior to the bye and 50% of interstate games. Post bye they won all games. Their interstate record that year mirrors their whole season. You should look at things with a wider scope sometimes than just focus on where a game was played. Again in 2019 Richmond peaked late in the season. This was not because of a run of games at the MCG but because firstly they designed it that way (after the 2018 debacle) and because their players returned from injury. To suggest Richmond are not worthy winners of the 2019 Premiership after beating the 2nd placed team interstate, followed by 1st placed team and then the Grand Final opponents by nearly 15 goals, the 3rd biggest margin of all time, is pathetic to be honest. You seem to be holding a grude from 2017. I don't care, I love being reminded of 2017, so bring it up anytime.

2017 Gabba – Brisbane finished 18th – won by 52 points. Adel Oval – Crows finished 1st – lost by 76 points. Spotless – GWS finished 4th – lost by 3 points. Adel. Oval – Port finished 5th – won by 13 points. Metricon – Gold Coast finished 17th – won by 33 points. Domain – Freo finished 14th – won 104 points. Richmond won 4/6 interstate games… sounds pretty good right! Until you look at who they played. Out of those 4 wins, 1 of those teams finished in the top 8. The rest finished 18th, 17th, 14th. 2018 Adel. Oval – Crows finished 12th – lost by 36 points. Optus Stadium – West Coast finished 2nd – lost by 47 points. Adel. Oval – Port finished 10th – lost by 14 points. Spotless – GWS finished 7th – lost by 2 points. Metricon – Gold Coast finished 17th – won by 74 points. I think this speaks for itself. No wonder you didn’t include last year in your comment.. 2019 Spotless – GWS finished 6th – lost by 49 points. Adel. Oval – Port finished 10th – won by 7 points. Optus – Freo finished 13th – won by 25 points. Adel. Oval – Crows finished 11th – lost by 33 points. Metricon – Gold Coast finished 18th – won by 92 points. This year wasn’t too bad, won 3/5 if you count Gold Coast, if not you’re looking at a 50/50 split. But lets be honest, for a team that only travels 5 times a year, its pretty poor. Especially when all the other interstate teams travel 11 times a year. The 2019 flag should be hanging up in AFL house, because if the AFL didn’t give Richmond their last 7 rounds at the MCG, they would’ve been screwed haha.

Agree - always enjoyed the big fwds making the defenders a bit scared makes then think twice before they drop into the hole - but then again also like to see their courage when they do knowing it is going to be bad. As GWS found when the Tigers apply the pressure game they are hard to beat, almost impossible, and the Crows midfield was scorched by the intensity of the Tigers. At least we didn't lose by as much as GWS did - be interesting to see how they respond - hopefully well as they are a young group.

100% in finals. 60% in 2017. 67% this year. In 2017 Adelaide won 59% out of Adelaide BTW. What are your talking about?

my comment is aimed at the bloke posting yet again about the tiges supposed unfair advantage, flags that wouldnt have been won & tainted flags on a thread about adelaide... on the subject agree with your comment re walker, really surprised at his lack of physicality in that game, he had more than one instance of opponents dropping into his leading space, would have loved to have seen what someone like tony locket would have done with that, pretty sure whoever did it wouldnt be doing it again in a hurry.. there was a whisper walker carried a foot injury into that game, anyone able to shed light on that ? thought generally delivery into adelaides fwd half was terrible, too many balls put onto the forwards head giving the defender an easy spoil

Burton was recruited from Brisbane where he was playing the same fitness/high performance role? It hasn't worked out BUT he hardly had "no experience". Perhaps do some research before you believe everything that the media has to say about the club and personnel!

I am not sure who your comments are aimed at - my only issue with the MCG is we don't get to play there enough however that being said if you good enough interstate team then you will win like the Eagles did last year. Basically we did not step up to the level required in the '17 GF and paid the price. I would have loved to seen Walker iron Caddy out or the like to impose himself as Captain, in the old days that would have happened, but it didn't, and I would have expected that a team that had been embarrassed the year before would have been hungrier the following year - which they weren't.

amazing…heres an article about adelaide & theres someone posting salty comments about richmonds mcg advantage & stating as almost an irrefutable ‘fact’ that they wouldnt have won in 2017 if not for this alleged ‘overwhelming’ home ground advantage. & then bangs on yet again with their repeated claims of a “tainted” flag, really good coming from a supporter of the club that was the afl’s version of an opium den when they won in 2006 (bit over the top i know but if we are gunna be dealing in hyperbole i’ll stoop to your level).

Have you actually looked at Richmond's travelling record over the last 3 seasons? Richmond are the best team when playing in Victoria. Outside of that, they're below par.

What a ridiculous comparison. The better team won on the day. In fact Richmond were the better team for the 4 weeks prior to the Grand Final so it was no surprise they won The way they played the game and the way Adelaide didn't means Richmond would have won anywhere. The only thing tainted is your thought process. The location didn't account for an 8 goal thrashing.

Sometimes there is only so much coaching staff can do, the player bloodletting going on at the crows reflects that. As Fagan said it is a brutal industry and if you are earning big money then you should be bringing everything to the table. I find it interesting the mental resilience of the modern footballer I would have thought losing a GF would just makes you more hungry the following year - which they weren't. I as a Crows fan am looking fwd to the ongoing changes throughout the group to hopefully improve them, rather then the effort that was evident on the track this year.

I think Fagan has been very lucky to not cop any of the blame for the last 2 years. As a supporter, Campo and Burton have both been great servants for our club, but their time was up. All reports pointed to them being a big part of the problem down at West Lakes. It's a shame because those who've been sacked or walked away, were the same guys responsible for the electric footy we were playing in 2016/17. However, this highlights that relationships and environment are everything now days. As for Taylor Walker, he's been a great captain and I'm glad he's received recognition by his peers by winning back to back captain of the year awards during his time as skipper. He was always planning on stepping down at the end of this year and was set to announce it at this years B&F, but I think the external review lead him to break the news earlier, so the two wouldn't look related.