Who could replace the Phoenix?

By Nick Symonds / Roar Guru

While the independence of the A-League was thought by most to make Wellington Phoenix safe from expulsion, there is still a narrow possibility that they could be axed.

Wellington have failed to meet the metrics to renew their licence automatically, meaning that they will have to rely on the other A-League clubs supporting them to remain in. However, the lengthy and complicated process requires negotiations with and approval from New Zealand Football, OFC, AFC and FIFA, before FFA and Wellington Phoenix can sign a new licence agreement, which would allow them to remain in the competition until 2034.

At present, the current clubs are all publicly supporting Wellington’s licence being renewed after it runs out at the end of the season. But with the next TV deal being critical to the league’s future, they will have to think very carefully about whether this is the best thing for improving TV audience and crowd averages in Australia. With the current TV deal running out in 2023 there isn’t much time for the A-League to improve its metrics and this could put the Phoenix on the chopping block.

(Hagen Hopkins/Getty Images)

The money from selling a new licence would also be in the front of their minds.

If a stronger alternative bid can be found within Australia, they might be in trouble. So who could step in at short notice and replace them, keeping in mind that they’ll need to have an immediate impact on crowds and ratings?

Canberra United
Pros: The obvious choice is a like-for-like replacement with one capital replacing another. With the highest participation rate of any state or territory, they should have good support.

Cons: The proposed new stadium might be expensive to use if it comes with an equally pricey stadium deal.

Tasmania
Pros: As a developing heartland, Tasmania could become another Newcastle or Canberra and their backers are passionate about building a Tasmanian team into a real club with a strong identity.

Cons: The bid could face competition and resistance from the AFL lobby and their bid.

Second Brisbane side
Pros: A second team in Brisbane could create a blockbuster derby with Brisbane Roar.

Cons: The only option who wouldn’t have to start life sharing Lang Park would be a team from Redcliffe, but there’s no current bid from this area ready to go.

Gold Coast United
Pros: As surprising as it sounds, the Gold Coast United brand still had enough value for a group of investors to take over the IP rights and re-start the club, which they were prepared to back with significant money if they entered the A-League.

Cons: Although they plan to build a boutique stadium, they’ll have to use Robina until they can move in.

Sunshine Coast
Pros: Backed by a consortium of billionaires and playing at an existing 10,000-capacity stadium, this bid could have some good foundations.

Cons: They could fail much like previous franchises have on the Gold Coast.

Dandenong
Pros: With a massive catchment area, large player base and a clear geographic point of difference they could set themselves up quite well for success.

Cons: As in the case of their recent bid, they still haven’t secured funding to build a stadium.

Fremantle
Pros: The city of Perth has a large population and selling out a derby at the new 60,000-seat stadium would be amazing.

Cons: They’ll have to share a stadium with Perth Glory until they can build their own.

Could the Glory soon have a local derby? (Photo by James Worsfold/Getty Images)

West Adelaide
Pros: Their bid had strong financial backing and they would create a derby in Adelaide.

Cons: Adelaide is already very united behind the Reds and it’ll take a while for a new team to establish themselves.

South Melbourne
Pros: With an existing fan-base and a stadium deal that would make most clubs envious, they have a solid foundation for being financially stable and they could help to heal the old soccer/new football rift.

Cons: When Melbourne City first came into the league, the average attendance for Melbourne Victory initially went down and the same has happened this season with Western United’s entry, also impacting Melbourne City. The risk is that the same could also happen if South Melbourne were to enter.

Wollongong Wolves
Pros: As an established club there’s no need to build anything, it’s already there. The Wolves will provide derbies with Sydney FC, Western Sydney Wanderers, Macarthur FC, Newcastle Jets, Central Coast Mariners and relight an old rivalry with Perth Glory.

Cons: They’re not in Sydney or Melbourne.

So who could take Wellington’s place?
Of all that lot, I’d really like to give it to Canberra after FFA have snubbed them before. Then there’s Tasmania, who were also snubbed and they could be a big hit on the island, but they might lack some impact nationally. South Melbourne would be a solid choice for their financial stability with the stadium they have.

The primary consideration has to be how the new team will improve TV ratings and attendances.

For that reason, I have to give it to the Wollongong Wolves. If they were to enter next season by taking Wellington’s place, they would have rivalries straight away with Sydney FC, Wanderers and Macarthur FC while being able to easily boost crowds at their grounds with their travelling fans.

This is also important to consider when Macarthur are also joining the league next season. If Macarthur take away a few fans from the existing clubs, Wollongong could put a few back.

The same is also true going the other way, with Wollongong being an easy away trip for fans from Sydney, which should help get them going. But unlike adding a new team in Melbourne, they won’t dilute an existing market. They could also help create interest in matches against Central Coast, Newcastle and Perth who really need a rival.

No one can seriously claim that the distance derby is bigger than Wolves versus Glory.

The only thing standing in their way would be the attitude of the current clubs. But as the Wolves would generate much more interest in matches involving Sydney FC, Western Sydney Wanderers, Macarthur FC, Newcastle Jets, Central Coast Mariners and Perth Glory than Wellington Phoenix now do, it should be possible to win them over if they made a bid for Wellington’s licence.

Perth Glory in particular would relish the opportunity to meet them again on the pitch to settle old scores. I think they’ve got their vote in the bag already.

The Crowd Says:

2020-02-16T03:08:50+00:00

Blood Dragon

Roar Rookie


i think the NSW sides which is almost half the league atm will block Wollongong trying to enter for 13 and 14 as they might see them as a threat, Nix need a local rival and Auckland unlike Christchurch is not obsessed with Union

2020-02-16T00:25:28+00:00

Samuel Power

Roar Rookie


My picks for 13th and 14th team is definitely Canberra and Wollongong. I would like to see an Auckland team however could that do damage to the Phoenix's fan base? The people in Auckland love the Nix, I'm not sure if that's worth disrupting. However a New Zealand derby Auckland v Wellington will attract sell-out crowds.

2020-02-15T17:43:22+00:00

Blood Dragon

Roar Rookie


this post is pointless as the Nix have the backing of all the clubs and kicking out one of the most stable clubs in the league is a stupid idea, all this post is gonna do is stroke the ego of racists and south melbourne fans as for expansion i would rule out additional sides from Sydney, Melbourne, Perth and Adelaide as they have enough teams for there respective populations, Brisbane as there is no stadium besides Dolphin and Power intend to bid for 2nd div and any new Brisbane Stadium should be for the Roar before a 2nd Brisbane side, Tasmainas largest city is smaller then my states 3rd largest city and will never get funding for a rectangular stadium in a AFL dominated state my Picks for 13 and 14 would be Canberra and Auckland, Canberra as its clear the area wants a team and already has an established Womens and Youth side and Auckland as its the only city with over 1 million people and is the most diverse city in NZ when it comes to sport (not obessed with Union like the rest of the country) and both create rivalries with the Nix (Capital Cities and NZ/North Island) 15 would be one of the coasts in SEQ and 16 the Gong if the league goes to 16

2020-02-15T12:18:26+00:00

Samuel Power

Roar Rookie


Another reason not to kick the Phoenix out, how good was todays match? Over 15,000 people in attendance in Auckland and Wellington proved their championship credentials with a win over a good City side who sit 2nd.

2020-02-15T00:49:02+00:00

OzNix

Roar Rookie


Only an Australian would think it was logical to get rid of a financially stable team, playing in a different time zone, with a guaranteed telecast partner in Sky. A team that recently had one of its players recruited to Bayern Munich and who will probably lose another play at the end of the season to a Serie A club. This same team has developed two AUSTRALIAN players in Piscopo and Devlin who will mostly likely represent AUSTRALIA at the Tokyo Olympics. Maybe you need to look in your own backyard at a few owners who are squatting on their license. Next you’ll tell me that Australia’s going to win the Bledisloe…

2020-02-13T23:10:56+00:00

At work

Roar Rookie


I had heard or read that Knights wanted them to pay ~$2m towards improving the stadium, which would cover the cost of rental for season one. Then the next 2 season we’re going to be fairly reasonable. Maybe WU couldn’t afford, or trust that the large upfront payment would work out.

2020-02-13T18:16:40+00:00

Micko

Roar Rookie


The club & fans are ok, it's just that NZF do nothing to assist them or the FFA. When (for the first time) an Australian team entered an NZ comp:Southern Huskies (Tassie team) entered the kiwi basketball comp, they made them pay for every NZ team for travel to Tasmania whilst nobody helped them go to NZ. Imagine if every aussie comp charged the kiwis for travel costs to NZ!

2020-02-13T13:30:19+00:00

Nick Symonds

Guest


South East Queensland has a population of 3.6 million people at present but is expected to reach 5 million by 2036, while the entire state is expected to rise to 6.7 million.

2020-02-13T13:21:27+00:00

Nick Symonds

Guest


It won't be run by Clive Palmer this time. He put dinosaurs on a golf course, called Rupert Murdoch's wife a Chinese spy, said he would build a new Titanic and spent $80 million on a political campaign but didn't end up winning a single seat in parliament. Not the best person to run a football club.

2020-02-13T12:06:10+00:00

Micko

Roar Rookie


Gold Coast is a waste of time for most professional sports. GCU was a failure, so what's changed that would make a new franchise successful?

2020-02-13T12:03:23+00:00

Micko

Roar Rookie


Well apparently it needed a bit of work done, but yes good point, it had to be better than Whitten Oval.

2020-02-13T11:17:29+00:00

Samuel Power

Roar Rookie


I just can’t see a brand new stadium being built for what 5,000 people to attend once every two weeks, they need to focus on getting people through the gates.

2020-02-13T11:16:43+00:00

Samuel Power

Roar Rookie


I wonder what could be considered "A-League level" though, they played at Whitten Oval for goodness sake.

2020-02-13T10:54:54+00:00

Micko

Roar Rookie


27,000 is way too big! Half that at least. Didn't you see the woeful look of it and the clear lack of atmosphere when only a few thousand showed up for GCU games? :thumbdown:

2020-02-13T10:50:25+00:00

Micko

Roar Rookie


I heard that Knights Stadium apparently needed a few million $ worth of work done to bring it up to A League level, but no one wanted to stump up the cash.

2020-02-13T10:32:58+00:00

Samuel Power

Roar Rookie


Western United did get a decent crowd last time in Ballarat, over 5,000 showed up. I've said it time and time again that they should've been playing at Knights Stadium.

2020-02-13T10:18:30+00:00

Micko

Roar Rookie


Not likely now. OFC is likely to be guaranteed a direct spot in the WC from 2026! :shocked:

2020-02-13T10:16:14+00:00

Micko

Roar Rookie


They received a $1,000,000 fine before this season started for not meeting their metrics. I think the pressure on metrics is off now because the A League is looking at moving to a private ownership model, outside the control of the FFA.

2020-02-13T10:08:43+00:00

Micko

Roar Rookie


Tasmania is small, yet overwhelmingly an AFL state. That's the only viable alternative football code to establish a club there in my opinion.

2020-02-13T10:06:59+00:00

Micko

Roar Rookie


The problem is OFC will be guaranteed a spot in the WC from 2026, so they'd be reluctant to give that up to merge with Asia.

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