This is how a 32-team A-League could work

It surely can't just be that? More participants = more parents = broader reach for your sponsorship dollars. And surely there are plenty of local businesses owned by football parents / people who prefer football?

Local businesses tend to sponsor junior RL and AFL

I find it hard to believe it is that simple, but lets just say what you are saying is the sole reason for the move, is that not something Football could easily and should fix? Why are the fees higher so much higher?

Davico. they change from soccer to AFL or NRL simply and i do mean simply because those sports have LOWER fees than soccer and in most cases it's because their parents cannot afford the fees nothing else nothing more.

There may be other factors indeed. However you've done nothing to prove that there are other factors apart from you waking up this morning and putting that thought on here. My summation of purely maths and probability outweighs your thought bubble.

You’re welcome

But there are other factors!! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: Again! Does you simple bit of math work in the US where football is the most played sport???

Again with the insults! Its amazing how far off you and Nemesis seems to be with your assumptions! Normally the insults thrown by people like yourselves on forums like this is more a reflection of your own life and insecurities. Oh well. Good luck to you!! Keep up the good work!

Davico, one last time and I will make this really simple. If I have a hundred players to choose from to play football, and you have 50 players to choose from to play AFL and league, who is more likely to have the better players? If no other factors are involved, just purely on mathematical chance. Any guesses?

Kangas I know what you are saying. This idea that people have, that the best players gravitate to AFL and league is so tiresome. No proof, no studies done, just a thought bubble. All I'm saying is that the more grassroots players you have, ie the larger the pyramid base, the more players you have to choose from, to get to the top of the pyramid, and hence, better players. Now, if football has the bigger base, why can't they service more than the 10 A-League teams? If AFL and league have a smaller base, but they service 30 odd teams combined, why isnt Davico pointing that out? He sticks to the "oh there wont be the quality to service a second division". Blah blah blah

G'day Kanggas2, wouldn't the best players from a relegated club get snapped up or at least have a 'get out clause' for getting relegated? Could a division 2 work somewhat like the Qld Intrust cup/Nswrl cup act as feeder comps to the NRL?

“ football people “ laugh . F k sake so way off I’m a ex league player from decent standard , I’m not great just decent .,,, but no one would ever rate me as “ Soccer person “ I just love soccer and rugby and cricket too . You just need something, maybe a girlfriend would lighten you up , be more optomidtic

I’ve answered then several times You are not smart enough to read and comprehend Why are you bringing up afl , I’ll go on the afl if I wanted You are so dumb you are sticking to your point that soccer missses out I’ve got 30 years experience coaching playing managing league teams , I’ve coached afk , I’ve coached rugby and soccer so I’m calling you out as talking rubbish . I’ve attended god knows 1000 pro soccer games wotld wide . I have evidence from my experience that you’re wrong . Re read all the answers . I can’t handle people who are complaining but are not open. You’ve made your mind up. End of Second division will happen, and no one gives a hoot that you’re not on board with it . Caio

Haha, I hardly even follow AFL!!! Again, you still have not answered any of the questions I have raised to why this wont work!! Instead of getting all defensive and attacking me, why don't you actually put together a coherent argument providing solutions to the problems I have raised? I did not know that I was restricted to certain threads on this site?! If I have an opinion I will write on any sport I want to, and if you don't like it feel free to go somewhere with Nemesis and chat over your grand plans that won't work and cry about all the no nothing non "Football people" who dare to have a different view to you!

Chris Kids 99 percent gravitate to the sport there body shape and skills set are made for . I’ve been among hundreds of pro nrl players and a handful of pro soccer players over the years and I’m sure you’ve been involved with pro soccer players too Only one player I saw in nrl who was so effing talented could have done anything is Joey Johns . He played some kids soccer and league like we all did in the Hunter way bsck . He was the outlier , all the other stars that made it to nrl , didn’t have anywhere near the skills needed for soccer success , nor the application to practice to make it . So one great kid out of thousands had escaped soccer imo I don’t buy into soccer doesn’t get the best kids . Kids go where there skills set takes them. Soccer is just so much harder and davico doesn’t get it . Hope that makes sense .

Afl players are not elite athletes, they are very fit , but the skills are not in the elite category Doesn’t matter how many times you try to tell us they would kill it at soccer , they can’t perform skills under pressure, skills that are so much easier then soccer . You are becoming a silly little cheerleader for afl , telling soccer fans , that afl is better . Your just embarrassing yourself. Afl starts next week, can you cheer for afl on the afl tab , like an adult would . Please, second division is happening and your complaints don’t matter one iota . Just enjoy the sports you like

So Australia is an exceptional case globally is it?? The best athletes don't try to follow a path that could lead to a lucrative professional career in another sport if possible and they know they won't get it in their current sports? Suggest you go check out the sports played by plenty of AFL players when they were kids. A huge number played high level basketball but turned their attention to Aussie Rules because they knew they would not make it as NBA players. I notice that you have not answered ANY of the questions that I posed before you even made your first comment on this thread!!! Hypocrite much?

No, what i said was that the due to the numbers that play football in Aus, 10 A-League teams is not enough and we need a second division to provide a pathway. But still no evidence from you that the AFL and league attract the best athletes. Like I thought, it was just a thought bubble of yours that made you feel good.

20-25 people travelling for a 2nd Div team is normal. You'd know this if you followed FFA Cup football. I've done the sums. You have proven you're incapable of crunching the numbers. You're obviously not good with numbers. Get some help from your teacher. Or, go to your local NPL club & ask them about the costs of playing interstate. The FFA covers the cost but the clubs would know what it is. Plus NPL clubs travel overseas & interstate for practice matches. Yes. Every player when a club is relegated should have the option to leave. Some will because they think they're better than 2nd Div. But, if your club got relegated, after playing 26 matches that tells each player they & coach they weren't good enough for 1st Div player.

Ok I’ve explained my financial expectations are not what you’re suggesting I did mention transfer fees as a key component. Other revenue is needed obviously. A good young kid at my club Edgeworth fc ( likely 2 Nd div club ) in Newcastle is a 40 k fee if picked up by the jets . Second div clubs don’t need to run a massive budget inislly. A mark viduka at Melbourne knights at age 17 is worth 150 k to Melbourne victory , or if a Japanese club scouts him , you get 400 k . Beats selling raffle tickets No one says it’s a sinch , but it’s a starting point .