The quick questions: The Tri Nations are alive and well

By The Roar / Editor

The phrase, “the Tri Nations is well and truly alive now” has been constant in and around the Quick Questions for the last month, and it’s no less so after the hard-fought but ultimately disappointing draw between Los Pumas and the Wallabies on Saturday.

We’re now as deadlocked as a key in concrete. Teams that should be well ahead aren’t. Teams that should be nowhere near contention have roared back into it. The proverbial box seat is rather crowded.

It’s hard to know what the penultimate Tri Nations weekend will bring us.

But we made the guys have a guess anyway.

Question 1

Who gained the most and who lost the most out of the Pumas-Wallabies draw last weekend?

Harry
Winners: Michael Cheika, Rob Simmons, Ned Hanigan, kicking, the All Blacks, and the idea of parity. Parity, because on any given Saturday, any top-ten team can beat one of eight other top-ten teams (everyone has a bogey or a whipping boy). The Kiwis can still win. Kicking well makes our football game much easier; kicking poorly destroys it. Ned and Rob were Messrs Clean. Try to find one bad play by Simmons. And Cheika is tormenting Australian rugby.

The big loser was captain Michael Hooper for being an annoying twat.

Nobes
The body language of the players of both teams and the interviews of the respective coaches after the game are a clear indication that the Wallabies were disappointed with the tie. It was just as clear that Los Pumas were more than satisfied.

Therefore this was a bad result for Australia, and for Argentina a very good one.

(Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)

Digger
The All Blacks gained the most out of the draw last weekend as it keeps them with a reasonable shot of still winning the tournament. Though the result also benefits Argentina given they still have two matches to grab points from.

Definitely the Wallabies missed out the most, both given it was a match they arguably should have won and, by doing so, put themselves in prime position to win the competition.

Geoff
The big winner from last weekend was the eight-year-old kid who scored Pablo Matera’s Test jumper. Let’s hope his mum didn’t wash it and the kid has worn nothing else since. Watch out in twelve or thirteen years’ time for his debut for the Waratahs in Super Rugby, alongside 150-match veteran Angus Bell.

Other winners were the All Blacks, gifted a ticket back into the Tri Nations title race, and Nico Sanchez, who will be forever able to dine out on the story that when he took on a Tongan man twice his size, the big guy backed off and was even too scared to come back out again after the bell!

Dan
Pretty much everyone but the Wallabies were winners.

Saturday was the perfect opportunity to place themselves firmly in the box seat to win back-to-back Tri Nations titles (never forget 2011), particularly when they found themselves in excellent field position for most of the first half.

Not kicking for goal regularly – as they had with great effect in Brisbane against the All Blacks – and a number of crucial handling errors meant they never opened up a match-winning lead, and they’ll rue that for some time.

(Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)

Brett
The Wallabies were the biggest losers by a county mile, for no other reason than this relatively new group finding out the hard way that it takes just one sub-par performance for all the goodwill from the week before to disappear in a flash.

But there are, in fact, a lot more than just this one reason. For one, they’ve got to convince Dave Rennie that they won’t deviate from a game plan again. And that’s not to mention ignoring the “tonne of messages” he said past-match last week he and the coaching staff were sending out onto the field as things went south.

I can’t actually work out the big winners.

It’s probably New Zealand, because they’re back in a competition that probably should have got away from them, but it’s just as much Argentina, because they salvaged competition points from a performance that should have been punished more than it was.

Question 2

Who of the three teams is now sitting in the box seat to take out the Tri Nations?

Harry
Argentina are mathematically in the driver’s seat. Win, and they win.

But they will soon see why Rassie talked about 400 (and 500) hours. Walking, limping ER. All Blacks for the silverware, courtesy of Hooper’s insistence that seven is greater than nine.

(Photo by Kai Schwoerer/Getty Images)

Nobes
Mathematically Los Pumas with one more game to play than the other two contenders are the best positioned.

Of course, the mountain to climb is enormous since they have to play these third and fourth games without rest while their opponents have 13 days off between games.

Not only will Los Pumas have to rotate players and play with several newcomers, they will also face teams well above their ranking, both with aspirations to take the title.

Digger
On paper, Argentina due to the fact they have two shots at picking up points and are currently unbeaten.

A win this weekend certainly puts them well ahead of the game. You would have thought in previous years that a bonus-point win for the All Blacks against Argentina would be a reasonable bet, but this current squad have not earned quite the same level of trust or confidence as their previous editions – although their points differential certainly provides an edge if they can deny the Pumas any points.

The Wallabies will just have to sit and wait, and hope for another draw.

Geoff
It really is there for the taking, for all three nations.

By having first crack, the All Blacks are well poised, and a bonus-point win kills the conversation dead. But if they win sans bonus point, or Argentina, heaven forbid, win again, then it becomes advantage Australia, who will have the advantage of knowing exactly what they need to do heading into the final match.

But let’s not get ahead of things, there are more permutations and possibilities than those facing a wet-behind-the-ears country lad on his first visit to the Daily Planet.

Which is just great for the competition.

(Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)

Dan
In a competition which has only got trickier to tip as it’s progressed, saying anyone is in pole position is a fraught exercise.

That said, I’m finding it hard to predict anything but a New Zealand victory. I think they’ll win this weekend (surely we get the bounceback after two losses on the trot) and given it is Argentina’s third Test in as many weeks, there’s a good chance that late cracks in their brick-wall defence will allow a competition-sealing bonus point.

Fingers crossed, though, that we go into the final week with the Tri Nations still alive and with both the Wallabies and Los Pumas needing to pile on the tries to finish in first.

Brett
New Zealand. Yes, Argentina control their own destiny and have the benefit of two games to come, but it’s the All Blacks who will have the most influence on that destiny.

They would know they only need to play 50 per cent better than a fortnight ago to win, and they would also know that they certainly have the extra gear to score late points in search of a bonus point.

If they can do that, they sit back on their couches in New Zealand the following weekend with a beer and a grin and watch Australia and Argentina try and match them in the final game.

The Crowd Says:

2020-11-28T03:03:38+00:00


Cheers mickelondo and Im with you on putting BB at 10......Yep that would then open up the FB position for JB and the wing for Will Jordan......I would be very happy to see that...And geez Im 100% agreeing with you on Ioane at 13 and also on Savea on the bench.....Grace does look to have a big future but yet to be proven..... Time you and I took over the selections... :laughing: :laughing:

2020-11-28T02:59:57+00:00


SA have beaten NZ 2 times since 2011 so not sure when this "smokin" was done

2020-11-27T12:29:28+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Kolbe did. Even had time to look back, laugh, and plan his somersault.

2020-11-27T10:01:29+00:00


Yawn, you are becoming boring, repetitive and your posts monotonous. :thumbup:

2020-11-27T08:58:11+00:00

Mickelondo

Roar Rookie


Jacko, It maybe just that I’ve got a thing about the guy. I think that he’s bit of a prima donna. I’ve seen his reaction to being tackled and he’s not above sticking in a bit of niggle from time to time. Back to your question , he gets caught out of position defensively, he hasn’t got the real pace of a Bridge, Ennor , Ione or my favourite in waiting Will Jordan. The elusiveness of Sevu Reece, the strength of Caleb Clarke. I think he’s being played out of position, but saying that he still wouldn’t be my fullback. He is a great kicker but i don’t think that’s enough. I would put Jordan at fullback and bring B.Barrett back to 1st five. I would also persevere with Ione at centre but that’s probably another arguement ! And you’ve seen my opinion on the loose forwards. Cane, Sotutu ( 8) and push Akira, Papalii, Frizzell at 6. I haven’t seen enough of Grace to make an opinion. I believe that Savea should be on the bench and cover all 3 loose forward positions as Liam Messom did. It’s just an opinion. Take care and hope it’s a great game Saturday. Just watched Hawkes Bay v Northland and it was a cracker !!!!

2020-11-27T08:48:47+00:00

ADP

Guest


Well I don't disagree with you there. SAF Rugby and it's decision making is very much influenced by politics, like it or not. And I don't like it, but it is what it is.

2020-11-27T08:43:32+00:00

ADP

Guest


um no, I haven't lived in his mum's basement. Strange question. I'm sure it's nice there though. As for personal invective - if you play the part of the boor, you should expect to be treated as such. Keyboard warriors clearly don't appreciate civil discourse...go have a look.

2020-11-27T08:40:00+00:00

Mickelondo

Roar Rookie


Moaman. I agree. He could of been special and the fact that I think he has just retired from playing in Europe shows the class of the man. At the time though he was shifted thru the backline and had terrible injury problems ! I think I'm remembering this right !

2020-11-27T06:53:14+00:00


ADP have you ever lived in his mums basement? You certainly have to be tough thats for sure… Why the vitriol? can’t we just all get along without the personal invective? Isnt this what you wrote above?

2020-11-27T06:50:14+00:00


Let’s get the facts right. The reason the schedule changed was the lifting of the quarantine restrictions in NSW not some magical NZR negotiations. No Scrum the entry back into NZ HAS NOT CHANGED.....NZR did all the negotiating to change it and they paid a financial fee to have this changed so that their employees could spend Cristmas in NZ WITH their families. And as of TODAY there is still a 14 day quarantine back into NZ from Aus...FACT

2020-11-27T06:46:58+00:00


Oh absolutely NOT!!! Money, Pride, passion for your country. belief in yourself and in this case belief in your employees. Consideration of how your actions effect others. And there is plenty more but SARU has miserably failed at all aspects..... SARU Money...Dont need to show up to get it but need to run to WR for a hand out. Pride......Cant be bothered showing pride as it takes too much effort. passion for your country......Well just watch Argentina show that as we cant be bothered. Belief....we dont believe we will hold the no 1 ranking so we wont turn up. Consideration of others...Is there others we should consider? Nah stuff them... You asked!!!

2020-11-27T04:36:24+00:00

moaman

Roar Guru


German isn't so bad Charly. The grammar gets a bit too complex for me I admit but basic pronunciation isn't too hard. Russian sounds difficult!

2020-11-27T04:28:19+00:00


You can only see one issue, can’t you? Money.

2020-11-27T01:35:49+00:00

scrum

Roar Rookie


Let’s get the facts right. The reason the schedule changed was the lifting of the quarantine restrictions in NSW not some magical NZR negotiations. I never said NZR were going to reneg - it was you who thought being away from Xmas was completely unacceptable and I am referring to your repetitive insulting comments toward SA for not turning up and I would think their reasons a bit more compelling than missing Xmas. So a little less double standards. And I only made comment about your posts after you repeatedly continued your denigration even in articles not related to SA . And to the best of my knowledge SA is getting no money from the Tournament. And also using upper case is the equivalent of shouting . And using words like “ cowards” and “grubby” is totally unnecessary and anti- social. I suggest that using insults such as this may be more of a reflection on you than SA.

2020-11-27T01:12:13+00:00

Double Agent

Guest


It must have been a tight fit for you all inside that small barber!!

2020-11-27T00:42:56+00:00


Srrum the ABs never once announced they would reneg on any games.....Instead they went and got their schedule issues sorted and PAID a financial price for doing so.....SARU sooked off after being offerred every possible solution....The thing is that they would have got away with their lies too except Argentina TURNED UP and made SARU look like the cowards they have now proven to be..... Isnt your views just your opinion Scrum? And arnt you here posting them...Just like I am?

2020-11-27T00:38:19+00:00


Yep.....But of course you have backed SARU regardless of their blatent failings even tho they now go cap in hand to WR for a handout just weeks after turning down millions.....

2020-11-27T00:32:39+00:00


Scrum The ABs management went and sorted it and the ABs were NEVER going to reneg on games at all.....The whole christmas thing was about changing the schedule to suit...AND THEY DID THAT.....One organisation did not like the schedule so worked to change it the other organisation was given everything they wanted and even had SAANZAR offerring to half the size of their participation as a way to get them here but they DIDNT SHOW.....BUT STILL TAKE THE MONEY!!! Very Grubby... Is this you endlessly stating your opinion?

2020-11-27T00:25:22+00:00


Harry he has played wing against those guys and they didnt smoke him or run around him at all....

2020-11-27T00:23:41+00:00


Agree.....Its how quick he covers the ground not what he looks like. Those girraffe legs cover the ground pretty quickly...

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