Is it time to stick a fork in the Suns?

By Thom Roker / Roar Guru

Round 5 of the 2021 AFL season is done and the pundits are circling the bottom five teams, ready to stick a fork in the teams that look done.

The beleaguered Kangaroos have slumped to five straight losses, which is universally seen as season-cooked as far as finals are concerned, with only the 2017 Swans overcoming a worse start to the year to go on to make finals in recent memory.

Victorian media will spend most of this week eviscerating Collingwood, writing off Hawthorn and talking up Essendon but just not for 2021.

There will even be some coach speculation, although Ben Rutten and John Noble will be safe, with Nathan Buckley and Alastair Clarkson coming off losses to far better teams.

Anzac Day will invariably take some pressure off for the winning side out of the Magpies and Bombers game, while the Hawks may start favourites against the Crows in Launceston.

Then there’s the other bottom five team, with the Suns’ latest effort to fuel the doomsayers who perennially denigrate the Gold Coast at the first opportunity, which will then intensify as the Gold Coast host the 2021 surprise packet, Sydney Swans.

However, in all the ennui about coaches under the pump, lists in need of rebuilding and years since Essendon won a final, there seems to be no deep analysis about where the Suns are at.

What’s wrong with the Suns?

The first half against the Bulldogs demonstrated that the Suns can be picked apart by bigger, more experienced and more mature sides that have achieved a team identity over several seasons of success.

But it is no longer the youth that expose the Gold Coast against other sides, with 20 year old Noah Anderson the youngest in the 22, albeit one of six under 21 players named (including unactivated sub, Sam Flanders).

The two inescapable issues that Stuart Dew has at the selection table, aside from the injury curse, is that only six players from the Bulldogs game have over 100 games – with three of them playing a significant number of those games at other clubs – and these players simply haven’t played anywhere near enough football together.

Stuart Dew (Photo by Chris Hyde/Getty Images)

Compounding this is the fact that with no NEAFL season in 2020 and the 2021 VFL season only getting underway this weekend, there has been very little in-game scope for players to develop a team identity unless it was in the AFL side last year.

This is why Dew went with the same 17 players seemingly regardless of form with no reserve grade to draw on and only scratch matches against opponents who needed to borrow Suns players to make up the numbers.

The injury factor
The injury crisis is inescapable when analysing why the season hasn’t gone as well as hoped, with the club’s three ruckmen all going down with knee injuries, plus four first-choice defenders and the top choices at the past two drafts also out with knees for an indeterminate time.

Put it this way. Had Matt Rowell played every game this season so far, the Suns are probably on four wins. With Jarrod Witts as well, who knows how the Dogs game might have played out?

In 2020, in spite of whatever else went on, the Suns had one of the shortest injury lists, after years of having one of the longest, yet the curse seems to be back with a cruel vengeance (there is a superstition that Christopher Skase commissioned the Carrara Light Towers, but never paid for them, hence dooming all teams that played at the ground).

Where is the cavalry?
The forerunners arrived at the club at the end of 2018 via the special concessions in the form of Sam Collins, Josh Corbett and Chris Burgess, who the club was able to prelist after negotiating with the players ahead of the draft.

Collins is the club champion best and fairest from 2020, while Burgess has made his way into the senior team by dint of his swingman utility and ruck chopout, while Corbett has overcome some injury issues to win his spot back with a three goal performance in a losing team.

Mature-ager Jy Farrar was the revelation of the round in defence for the Suns, with the 24 year old second gamer manning up on much taller opponents and playing a starring role in the team’s second half resurgence, showing that the indigenous speedster from Halls Creek (cousin of Shane McAdam and Sam Petrevski-Seton) has done well under the mentorship of club stalwart, Jarrod Harbrow.

Sam Collins (Photo by Chris Hyde/Getty Images)

Former State Champion decathlete Patrick Murtagh showed enough in the VFL match against Footscray that he can chop out in the ruck and provide a forward threat, with the 21-year-old emerging key tall forward taking eight marks and having six shots on goal, albeit for only a 2.2 return, plus he was able to influence the stoppages with his big bodied presence.

Out of favour former first round draft picks, Brayden Fiorini and Will Brodie, were the pick of the Suns midfielders in the VFL, although neither are expected to get an AFL call-up with the Suns’ current mids performing admirably.

The Suns did have some experience left in the VFL, with recent recruit Rory Atkins having a strong game as he returns to full fitness from offseason surgery, while Jordan Murdoch and Jack Hombsch led an otherwise teenage backline admirably.

Injury room prognosis
The Suns have three players with TBC status who fans will be keen to have a timeline on for a late season return, with Matt Rowell expected to make a 2021 comeback, Sam Day hopeful of playing again this year, while 2020 pick #7 Elijah Hollands expected to come back through the VFL on his way to and AFL debut.

Jacob Townsend will be out until June with a facial fracture, while Sean Lemmens should exit his concussion protocol this week to resume his spot and Zac Smith could return as soon as Round 7, which makes him the only Suns ruckman available for the rest of the season.

Play the kids?
There are 11 Suns listed players who have not yet debuted, plus another couple of teenagers who have played but aren’t in the best 22 right now.

2019 high draft picks Sam Flanders and Jeremy Sharp are already blooded and have massive ceilings, however, they both need to take the VFL by storm before they get called into the senior team, while small forwards Mally Rosas and Hewago Oea (Ace) have been looking most likely to press their case for a debut, with both Academy graduates impressing on Saturday.

(Photo by Chris Hyde/AFL Photos/via Getty Images)

2020 Suns Academy graduates Aiden Fyfe and Rhys Nicholls are both high ceiling prospects, but at 18 years of age and having just made their VFL debuts, this pair have bright futures in Suns colours but should be considered as long term investments.

Unfortunately, highly rated pair Alex Davies and Joel Jeffrey found the pace of VFL tough sledding and despite being rated as first-round potential they are both looking like they need to develop against the semi-pros until they can bring their talent to bear.

Overdue for an opportunity, yet cruelled by untimely injury, Jez McLennan – picked at the end of the first round in 2018 – is pressing his case for a senior debut with strong form in the VFL and shapes as a potential Harbrow replacement in the longer term.

Midseason rookie draft
The Suns now have four possible vacancies coming up in June, with ruck likely to be the main priority if for nothing else than to ensure that the VFL side have a dedicated ruckman to lead the young greenhorns.

For the same reason, tall defenders are going to be targeted, although because the list is already at 49 players even a second player would need to be the right level of potential.

Suns Footy
The problems addressed in the Dew rebuilding years have now turned into side effects of the solutions.

There’s little doubt that the Suns veterans have formed a brand of footy that is recognisable and can challenge good teams for long stretches of games, yet the team is yet to develop an identity that they can intimidate teams with because they have yet to set a baseline for what it takes to win the kinds of games they are currently losing.

The brand is distinct when it is unveiled, fast-moving footy, taking metres up the guts, chains of slick possession and scoring goals from forward pressure.

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When it is not quite on, a team like the Bulldogs can pick it apart and be devastating on the rebound, while the Blues stifled it by taking away the quick transition from defence and the Crows midfield outlasted them.

The Suns haven’t kicked over 100 points since March 31st, 2018, when Tom Lynch kicked eight goals against Carlton at Docklands. You don’t have to be Leigh Matthews to know that teams who cannot find four goals a quarter don’t win many games.

The Crowd Says:

2021-04-23T10:14:47+00:00

Pedro The Fisherman

Roar Rookie


It seems like no other side has any injuries as well. That Adelaide side they couldn't beat that night didn't feature M Crouch, Daniel Talia or Brown and Jake Kelly (I think).

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2021-04-22T11:53:02+00:00

Thom Roker

Roar Guru


Cheers Chris, I've been watching Errol and Brayden ever since they starred as underagers for the Allies in 2019 along with Tom Green, Connor Budarick and Ace. It has been funny to see the surprise of fans who didn't rate them, especially Gulden. But a week is a long time in the AFL. Suddenly the Suns have a fit ruckman back 1 or 2 weeks ahead of schedule. Not just any ruckman, but a foundation Sun and original product from pre-Academy 2009 TAC cup side who has done the journeyman years of his apprenticeship with Geelong and come back to the club to play 2nd fiddle. The Swans have plenty of selection headaches and injury outs, while the Suns have no new injuries. Today Dew flagged that the axe will fall, which is what I was hoping would happen when I wrote the piece. Charlie Ballard and Sean Lemmens look likely to return, while Josh Corbett and Jy Farrar should hold their spots. It is going to be a fascinating matchup. Plenty of ex-Swans coaches in the Suns rooms, not least Stuart Dew, but also Rhyce Shaw and Josh Francou. Certainly interesting to see how the sides measure up coming off losses, just as it will be interesting to see how GWS matches up on the Dogs having each beaten the Swans and Suns last week.

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2021-04-21T08:40:12+00:00

Thom Roker

Roar Guru


It doesn’t matter though, does it? Let’s just agree to disagree. I do appreciate your opinions, even if I don’t always agree. However, I am far from delusional about my team. They have shown that they are competitive and without their best player/s the results aren’t going the right way.

2021-04-21T06:04:11+00:00

Chris M

Guest


I hope your Suns come good, Thom, but preferably after this weekend, if you don't mind. However, I think the Suns are in with a chance this weekend. The opposition also seems to have somewhat been able to nullify the Swans' game plan in recent weeks. Additionally, the Swans' 1st year boys, McDonald, Campbell and Gulden, look like they all need a rest. With all the injuries to Swans' top line players, they may have to wait a little longer for one, but I'm not sure I'd play them all this weekend. Ben King potentially looks a class above the average tall forward, and the Swans' key forward set-up doesn't look quite so dangerous with McLean, Reid and a tiring young tyro, McDonald, who is still a few years away from being the player the Swans hope he will become. Matt Rowell won't be there for the Suns, but you can be assured that he would have been getting the George Hewett treatment if he were available.

2021-04-20T23:17:21+00:00

Chief Keeffe

Roar Rookie


Whatever your thoughts on the rest of my statements, saying they are 'probably' 4-1 with Rowell is just ridiculous. Mathematically, if you gave them a 90% chance of overturning each of the Adelaide and Carlton games with Rowell (still too high IMO) and a 60% chance of overturning the West Coast game (way too high), you still end up with less than 50% chance that GC win all three. Therefore improbable. If you give them higher chances than that, you're kidding yourself.

2021-04-20T12:59:52+00:00

IDeals22

Roar Rookie


There are 3 of us that use the computer in a communal lounge room. I didn't realise Ravi had logged in to comment on cricket as he often does. I clicked the AFL & replied not realising it was under his monika. It has happened before, but it's not a big deal as I don't throw insults around Thom. I also don't need your approval, so good luck to you and your "rising" suns.

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2021-04-20T12:37:29+00:00

Thom Roker

Roar Guru


Are you another one of those trolls with multiple accounts, Ravi/IDeals22 or whatever your name is? Jog along, spud. You have just revealed yourself to be double-teaming, but you couldn't punch your way out of a wet paper bag. Jog on!

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2021-04-20T11:55:49+00:00

Thom Roker

Roar Guru


Sigh. I've written 44 articles, half about the Suns, and all you got was "Matt Rowell is the magic bullet." Try again, sport.

2021-04-20T11:43:16+00:00

Ravi

Roar Rookie


Thom, your get defensive and throw insults around rather than addressing the issues. If it is indicative of Gold Coast culture, it explains why the club is in the same hole they've been in for 10 tears. I referred to the headline from 3 weeks ago and no I'm not interested in reading any more delusional drivel about a non competitive club. I don't agree with your simplistic opinions so lets leave it at that.

2021-04-20T11:32:38+00:00

Ravi

Roar Rookie


He wont fix your club if there’s underlying issues that need to be addressed, Thom

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2021-04-20T10:42:38+00:00

Thom Roker

Roar Guru


As people who actually watched the game would know, the Suns pulled to within less5 goals from 11 down and there was a feeling that the tide might be turning. However, the Bulldogs are a very impressive team in 2021, having already beaten 3 finalists from last year on the way to 5 straight wins. Sydney have beaten 2 of the best sides from 2020, but I'm not sure they are in the same conversation as the Dogs, nor are they going to be so dominant without Franklin, Hickey, Rampe and Heeney. They are now back to their third ruck, in Cal Sinclair, reserve forward Hayden McLean, and hoping to get some first choice players back. There's no article to write if the Swans belt the Suns. Playing at home, with Charlie Ballard and Sean Lemmens available, with possibly Zac Smith ready to return, such big outs for Sydney and a few match fit VFL players to choose from, there's a strong chance the Suns sing the song an Saturday.

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2021-04-20T10:11:02+00:00

Thom Roker

Roar Guru


Hmm, more like 4 months. Unless you mean this article "The Gold Coast Suns are finally rising, and after 11 years of high draft picks, commentators everywhere are giving the credit to the club’s first-rounders. But is it just lazy analysis?" Had you actually read the article properly you might also have seen that I said the Suns would have a finals debut "in the 2020s". Not even your dodgy maths can refute that. You are right though. You aren't close enough to know the problem. Yet when somebody offers you their analysis after studying the club's recruitment of players and staff, you know more. Righteo then.

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2021-04-20T10:04:09+00:00

Thom Roker

Roar Guru


The Suns were very much still in the matches in the final quarter against West Coast, Adelaide and Carlton. You are selling Matt Rowell well short if you don't think he could have turned those narrow margins around. Your 2-3 and 3-2 likelihoods are just as speculative as my 4-1 hypothesis. Comparing the Swans with the Suns is apples and oranges. 8 of the Swans team from Saturday night were part of the 2016 grand final side, while 6 were first round draft picks. With a core of veterans who know what it takes to win and make finals most year, the new guys can come in and win straight away. The Suns simply don't have a core of 200 game players with a culture of success, but neither did the Swans until Ron Barrassi came along. I feel like your are just piling on with a list of outdated criticisms of the Suns that are no longer relevant or founded in solid analysis. You can disagree with me all you like, but I'm reporting factually and presenting perspectives that are quite balanced so next to that your opinions are really just confected tosh.

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2021-04-20T09:44:54+00:00

Thom Roker

Roar Guru


It did happen. Or at least all of the interstate teams made the finals in 2003, meaning only 2 Victorian teams made the top 8. At one point they lined up first to sixth, but Collingwood and Essendon, previous year's losing grand finalist and premier from the year before that, were very much in the hunt. Fremantle had made the finals for the first time, Brisbane won their 3rd straight flag, Port went on to win the next year, then Sydney the following year and West Coast after that. Melbourne teams and fans pissed and moaned all decade, especially when the AFL announced their plans to compromise the 2010 and 2011 drafts. The stars will align at some point and all 8 non-Victorian teams will be in the top 8, but it's less likely for all 8 teams to finish the regular season.

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2021-04-20T09:27:45+00:00

Thom Roker

Roar Guru


You left out that Matt Rowell played in 2 seasons of underage footy for school, club and rep teams and was the consensus number 1 draft pick. Nobody has ever won 9 Brownlow votes from their first 4 games.

2021-04-20T04:22:25+00:00

IDeals22

Roar Rookie


At that rate Rowell will win the Brownlow every year in his career! Do you remember that Adrian McAdam kicked 23 goals! in his first 3 games? 7 on debut, then 10 & 6. Mark McGough won the ANZAC medal (BOG for Collingwood v Essendon) aged 17. Daniel Metropolis kicked 6 goals with his first 6 kicks on debut, 4 in the 1st quarter. A messiah complex is a hinderance that stifles the development of weak clubs. (Hoping one player will fix everything. i.e. St Kilda throwing $$ at Brad Hill or Dan Hannebery). Get the base right and the club overcomes hurdles, (i.e. West Coast and Richmond overcoming injuries in premiership years)

2021-04-20T03:53:08+00:00

IDeals22

Roar Rookie


Wow! in 3 weeks, it's changed from "The Rise of the Suns" to "Is it time to stick a fork in the Suns" As far as 2021 goes, yes they're done. Moving forward, talent doesn't seem to be enough and the constant injuries are a concern. Teams can have bad luck but perhaps the preparation is also to blame. I'm not close enough to know the problem. It would be good to see them get off the canvas, but it's going to take some 'elite honesty' from those on the inside to fix them for the long-term.

2021-04-20T03:42:21+00:00

berrlins

Roar Pro


It's probably time, I think their challenge now is to beat their previous best in a year, which was 8 wins in 2013 I think. I reckon if they can build towards something like that, the year won't be a waste. You won't win many games without an AFL ready ruckman so they're are going to suffer until the midseason draft. Full credit to them against the Bulldogs, kicking 7 of the next 8 goals after having 11 goals kicked on you takes some heart. had they had Witts and Rowell they for sure could've won the Carlton game and been in the hunt in the other 2.

2021-04-20T03:24:16+00:00

IDeals22

Roar Rookie


Agreed RD. 10 years is a decent sample size. Stephen May was a former captain and yet his preparation was found to be well short of AFL standards when he changed clubs. The Suns need to set a strong foundation of standards and expectations. Perhaps this requires a change their leadership on and off field. Possibly why they chased Burgoine last year. Shannon Hurn or a similar leader from a successful club with a strong football manager and CEO could help. I guess it's saying start from scratch. The worst thing they can do is stick their heads in the sand and refuse to look at their issues because the whistle blower is now persona non grata.

2021-04-20T02:08:11+00:00

Chief Keeffe

Roar Rookie


Delusional is correct I'm afraid. I'd say you might have got over the line in one of the two close losses with Rowell in the team. Making 2-3 the most likely record if he was playing. 3-2 possible but unlikely. 4-1 pie in the sky stuff. I also struggle to buy the lack of reserves matches as an excuse. Will Hayward came straight in to the Swans team on the weekend off no matches this year and was the Swans' best after Franklin. It can be done, and to suggest otherwise is a cop out. I appreciate being positive about your team, especially in the face of negativity, but in the Suns' case the negativity is well earned. No finals appearances in ten years, despite stacks of talent, is a pretty clear sign that there is something wrong at the club. You'd only want to be traded there if you wanted an easy pay packet and a nice lifestyle. Not a recipe for success. Maybe if Suns fans were a bit harder on the underperforming players, they might feel more inclined to put in the work necessary.

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