Comparing eras of dominance: West Indies and Australia

By Once Upon a Time on the Roar / Roar Guru

To complete the series of the next best of the 1980s and ’90s, I shall now do a comparison of the dominance of the West Indies and Australian teams from those respective decades.

The only thing is, it is not possible to restrict it to precisely those decades as the West Indies dominance began in 1979 immediately after World Series Cricket and pretty much ended with the successful retention of the Frank Worrell Trophy in their home series of early-mid 1991.

However, strictly speaking, they did not lose a Test series for another four years and that will be expanded upon shortly.

Likewise, the Australian dominance pretty much began when Mark Taylor took over from Allan Border as captain, even though Australia actually lost their first series under his outstanding leadership, albeit by an extremely narrow margin of a mere solitary wicket despite having the better of the majority of that late 1994 series in Pakistan.

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The purpose of this comparison is actually not to declare a clear winner – the only way to do that would be to pit the two sides against each other, but that would prove nothing considering Clive Lloyd is now 77, Steve Waugh 56, Shane Warne no doubt unfit and overweight as well as rather senile and incoherent in his rantings about Steve Waugh, with Malcolm Marshall, sadly, no longer alive.

The purpose is mainly to show similarities and differences in the extent of their respective dominance, including the fact that they dominated in two different eras that also were not completely identical.

The only thing I am convinced about is that we are unlikely to ever see again the same level of dominance exerted by either team and I won’t go into the reasons for this conviction.

I will only say that since Australia’s reign came to an end, the most likely team to have had the opportunity to do so were South Africa for about a decade from 2008 onwards, but they failed to do so, and I am not denigrating them for this – like I say, there are certain factors at play to do with the contemporary game, which are not part of this discussion.

Setting the parameters
The first two comparisons made will be overall numbers as well as percentages of wins, losses and draws for both series as well as overall Tests. For the latter, all Tests will be included, while for the former a minuscule minority of certain matches will be left out of the comparisons and there are reasons for this.

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A one-off Test does not constitute a series, but it does obviously constitute a Test match. Therefore, the four that occurred for both teams in question will be omitted from the series comparisons, but obviously included in the overall Tests comparison.

The two one-off Tests for the West Indies were against South Africa at home in early 1992, which the Windies won, and in Sri Lanka in 1993, which was drawn. The two for Australia were in India in late 1996, which Australia lost, and in Zimbabwe in late 1999, which they won.

There was also one inconclusive two-Test series win for both teams, which like the one-off Tests, will naturally be included in the overall Test stats, but not series stats. The reason for this is that a proper Test series should allow for a possible level series of 1-1, or even 2-2, going into the final match of the series. A two-Test series does not allow this, but a series of three or more Tests does.

Therefore, the 1-0 win to the West Indies in New Zealand in early 1995 as well as the 1-0 win to Australia at home against Sri Lanka in mid-2004 will not be included in the series results.

In both cases, there was not a third Test scheduled to allow either the series leader to that point to maintain their lead through a drawn deciding Test, seal the series comprehensively with another convincing win, or to allow the team trailing to square the rubber by rallying in such a third and final Test.

Two-Test series where a team won both will be included because in such cases a third Test scheduled would not have altered the series result.

Australia played five such series during their period of dominance, against Bangladesh at home in mid-2003, against Zimbabwe leading into the 2003-04 home summer, against New Zealand at home in 2004-05, in Bangladesh in early 2006 and then at home against Sri Lanka in 2007-08. The West Indies played no such series.

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Also omitted from the series analysis, but included in the overall Tests analysis, will be Australia in Sri Lanka in late 1999 and the home series against New Zealand in 2001-02.

The reason is that both series effectively became one-off Tests due to rain wiping out any chance of a result in Tests 2 and 3 in the first of those two aforementioned series, and in Tests 1 and 2 of the second so mentioned series.

All in all, this will not prejudice the series comparisons as it will reduce Australia’s series played by five, from 45 to 40 or a mere 12.5 per cent, while the number of Tests omitted will be ten out of 149 or 6.7 per cent. For the West Indies, it will mean reducing the number of series from 31 to 28, which is 9.7 per cent, while cutting out a total of four Tests out of 121, which is a reduction of 3.3 per cent.

The West Indies were not similarly affected in any series they played in their period under discussion. Rain certainly played havoc in England 1980, but only to the extent that it reduced their series victory margin to 1-0 in a five-Test series. No allowances are made for either side for rain-ruined games in the overall Tests numbers.

Finally, I am omitting from both series and overall Test comparisons the World XI game in Sydney in late 2005, which Australia won. The reason for this is that no other World XI game has ever been given Test status and I believe this to be unfair and inconsistent.

Tests won, lost and drawn
Starting from their 1979-80 tour of Australia, their first ever Test series win here, until their penultimate series before their comprehensive thrashing at home in 1995, the West Indies played 121 Tests, winning 61, losing 16, and drawing 44.

That is a win percentage of 50.4, a loss percentage of 13.2 and a drawn percentage of 36.4. Bear in mind, the percentage of Tests drawn in Australia during the 1980s was 50 per cent, with this figure unlikely to have been significantly lower in either England or New Zealand, and in India and Pakistan it was probably closer to 80 per cent.

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Starting from their home Ashes summer in 1994-95 until the end of the West Indies tour of early-mid 2008, Australia played 149 Tests, winning 101, losing 25 and drawing 23. This is a win percentage of 67.8, a losing percentage of 16.7 and a drawn percentage of 15.5.

Bear in mind, pretty much coinciding with Mark Taylor taking over, the number of draws both home and away for Australia dropped markedly, and this was absorbed in both their wins and losses.

For example, whereas 50 per cent of Tests in Australia being drawn in the 1980s, this dropped to 22 per cent in the ’90s and then dropped further to 16 per cent in the first decade of the new century and millennium.

An important figure to calculate for both teams is the percentage of losses in non-dead rubbers against games played excluding the actual dead rubber losses.

The reason for this is that there is no crime in winning a dead rubber when you have already won the series – it can be a matter of say winning 4-0, 5-0 or even 3-1 in a five-Test series, or making a clean 3-0 sweep rather than dropping the final game of a three-Test series.

Losses that weren’t dead rubbers as a percentage of all games bar dead rubbers lost were 12.1 for Australia and 10.3 for the West Indies.

Series won, lost and drawn
During their respective periods of dominance, using the parameters to allow for a tiny minority of Tests that don’t qualify as proper series, Australia played 40 series, won 35, lost three and drew two. This is a series winning percentage of 87.5, a series losing percentage of 7.5 and a drawn series percentage of five.

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The West Indies by comparison played 28 series, won 19, lost one and drew eight. This is a series winning percentage of 67.9, a series losing percentage of only 3.6 and a drawn series percentage of 28.5.

Remembering the higher incidence of drawn Tests during the West Indies era, the three-Test 1-1 drawn series in Australia in 1981-82, for example, would quite likely have had a 2-1 result either way in the Mark Taylor, Steve Waugh and Ricky Ponting eras.

Also note that their only loss during this period was a three-Test series where only one of the Tests had a result. Again, even allowing for fickle weather in New Zealand, the chances are that in the Australian era of dominance there may well have been two of the three Tests achieve a result, on average.

Where did they win
They both won at least one Test series in every other Test nation except for the West Indies in Sri Lanka. However, this is not something that can count against the West Indies for two reasons.

1. They only played one solitary Test there and 2. Sri Lanka were minnows for pretty much all of the Windies’ era of dominance and if ever there was a cricketing certainty it is that the West Indies would have won a proper three-Test series in Sri Lanka had they played such a series there between 1979 and 1991.

Technically, the only series the West Indies won in New Zealand was an inconclusive one under the parameters set earlier. However, it shall count in this instance because that terminology was only for the purpose of statistical analysis of series won, lost and drawn, not for determining whether a team actually won in that particular country.

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Winning streaks
From early 1984 until later the same year, the West Indies won 11 successive Tests against two countries, England and Australia.

From late 1999 until early 2001, Australia won 16 straight Tests against Zimbabwe, Pakistan, India, New Zealand, West Indies and India. From December 2005 until January 2008, they won 16 straight against South Africa, Bangladesh, England, Sri Lanka and India.

Discounting the one-off Test in India late 1996, Australia won nine successive Test series from late 1994 until early 1998 against England, West Indies, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies, South Africa, England, New Zealand and South Africa. That was under Mark Taylor.

Under Steve Waugh they won seven series in a row from December 2001 until but not including his very last Test series in 2003-04, against South Africa, South Africa, Pakistan, England, West Indies, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.

Only copious amounts of rain in the first two Tests of a home series against New Zealand in 2001-02 prevented this being nine a row as they also won the preceding series in England in 2001.

Under Ponting, Australia won eight Test series in a row from late 2005 until early-mid 2008 against West Indies, South Africa, South Africa, Bangladesh, England, Sri Lanka, India and West Indies.

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Under first Clive Lloyd, and then Viv Richards, the West Indies won seven series in a row from early-mid 1983 until late 1986 against India, India, Australia, England, Australia, New Zealand and England. Their next best series winning streak was four starting in mid-1988 and finishing in early-mid 1990 against England, Australia, India and England.

Non-winning droughts in series
While not losing a series, the West Indies had to settle for four successive drawn series from late 1986 until early-mid 1988 against Pakistan, New Zealand, India and Pakistan.

Australia’s longest streak not winning a series was two series – a drawn series in the West Indies in early-mid 1999 and then an officially lost series in Sri Lanka late 1999, the one that became a virtual one-off Test on account of the elements killing any remote chance of a result in Tests 2 and 3 of that particular series.

Their only other drought was three series in which they only won one when they lost in India early 2001, then won in England 2001 and then rain once again turned the 2001-02 home series against New Zealand into a virtual one-off Test in Perth, which was drawn.

Coming from behind
The last thing to compare between these two amazing sides is how they performed when they found themselves trailing in a series. The West Indies lost only one series between 1979 and early 1995 and the margin was 0-1, losing the first Test, so they did not recover to either win or draw on that occasion. They recovered from a deficit to win a series on only one occasion, 1992-93 in Australia.

There were six occasions where the West Indies trailed in a series and recovered to draw level by series end, though too late to win the series.

There were two further occasions where the West Indies led by one Test but then lost the final Test and had to settle for a draw.

The 1999 series in Sri Lanka discounted for reasons already stated, Australia lost three series between late 1994 and early-mid 2008, but in one of those, in India 2001, they lost the final Test with the series level at 1-1.

On two occasions, they trailed in a series and did not recover to either win or draw the rubber and on one of those occasions they had originally led in the series.

On one occasion they led, lost the lead, and then recovered to win the series, on another they led, lost the lead, then trailed and then recovered to square the series. On only one occasion did they trail in a series and recover to win, and on a further occasion they trailed and recovered to draw the series.

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The overall stats for Australia in the 14-year period comprising 45 virtual series under discussion is: fell behind in seven series, recovered to win once, recovered to draw twice and didn’t recover twice plus the 1999 series in Sri Lanka – for this particular analysis this previously excluded series will now be included because although Australia didn’t have a genuine chance to recover on account of the elements, they technically still fell behind in the series before anyone knew how the series would pan out.

Also included in terms of falling behind is the one-off Test in India in late 1996 – although a one-off Test, had it been the first Test of a legitimate three-Test series, they would still have technically fallen behind. Australia fell behind in 15.6 per cent of series using these upsized parameters for what constitutes a series.

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The overall stats for the West Indies in their 15-and-a-half-year period comprising 31 virtual series under discussion is: fell behind in eight series, recovered to win once, recovered to draw six times and didn’t recover at all on one occasion.

As with Australia, for this analysis, both previously excluded one-off Tests are now included (neither which the West Indies lost) as is the two-Test inconclusive series win in early 1995, in which the West Indies did not lose a Test in any case. The West Indies fell behind in 25.8 per cent of series.

The only definitive conclusion I will draw from any of the entire analysis is that the West Indies were clearly better in recovering when trailing in a series, while Australia were clearly better in not falling behind in the first place.

I hope to do, at some stage time permitting, a statistical study of individual innings performances for both teams from their respective epochs of glory in terms of number of scores over 500/600, those their bowlers conceded, number of times they skittled their opposition for under 100/150/200, number of times they similarly crumbled in comparison as well as number of centuries and doubles scored as well as those conceded by their own respective bowling attacks.

The Crowd Says:

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2021-07-30T10:34:10+00:00

Once Upon a Time on the Roar

Roar Guru


To be fair, the majority of the West Indies rebel tourists were either has beens (albeit some very good ones) such as Rowe, Kalicharran and the two Murray’s, Derryck and David or batsmen who were never going to be super stars either. However, Colin Croft, Sylvester Clarke and Franklyn Steveson were world class, although their defections enabled none other than Malcolm Marshall to go from fringe dweller to spot cementer. And they subsequently unearthed Courtney Walsh, Pattrick Patterson, Curtley Ambrose and Ian Bishop. The Windies had much greater depth in bowling which is why Australia did drop an occasional test series, such as India early 1998 when McGrath was completely not on tour due to injury and 2005 Ashes when England won the two tests he was out injured and managed draws in the two when he played but wasn’t fully fit due to his two separate injuries that had kept him out of the two aforementioned tests. However, it’s also fair to say that the Australians had far greater depth in batting. If for example rebel tours to Mars had happened after say 1995, then Stuart Law, Martin Love, Jamie Siddons, Greg Blewitt and Matthew Elliott all disappearing would not have stopped Australia’s dominance any more than Croft, Clarke and Stevenson disappearing did for the Windies.

2021-07-29T17:55:51+00:00

Col Kurtz

Guest


One thing in the Windies favour during their 1978 - 1991 period of dominance is how they coped with the South African rebel tour in the middle of that period. They kept winning. Australia, on the other hand, were at their lowest ebb during the 1985-7 SA rebel tours.

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2021-07-29T11:28:39+00:00

Once Upon a Time on the Roar

Roar Guru


Yes, Laxman given not out in singles figures when he had edged the ball and going on to make a blazing 109 - that went Australia's way. Ponting enjoyed a similar life at the umpire's discretion on 45, but then was wrongly given out lbw on 55 when he had edged the ball. No story there at all. Bad umpiring against both teams and it evened out.

2021-07-27T22:57:33+00:00

Shire

Guest


Aussie team isn't too hard IMO since it all comes together at The Oval in 2001 1. Matthew Hayden 2. Justin Langer 3. Ricky Ponting 4. Mark Waugh 5. Steve Waugh 6. Damien Martyn 7. Adam Gilchrist 8. Shane Warne 9. Brett Lee 10. Jason Gillespie 11. Glenn McGrath Lee would end up spending a lot of his career chucking pies, both Waughs would spend the next season performing pretty horrendously, but I think that as a snapshot of a particular time and place, this is the best Australian team to have ever been fielded. Maybe I'm showing how young I am compared to you blokes - for all their talent, my brain associates names like Boon and McDermott with the dark ages of Australian cricket.

2021-07-25T19:41:32+00:00

Rowdy

Roar Rookie


https://youtu.be/mDiCDuS4Hgg

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2021-07-25T09:33:18+00:00

Once Upon a Time on the Roar

Roar Guru


I don’t think lost time being made up came in until the post 2000 period. Certainly hadn’t come in by the time of our triumph in the Caribbean in 95 and it didn’t help in the 2001-02 Brisbane test. Therein lies the rub: making up lost time has minimal input in less draws. Only a maximum of 1 hour is made up per day for days 2-5 and hence, once more than four hours are lost in a test match than no more time is made up and a large number of tests are over these days by lunch on day 5 in any case – because of more aggressive batting. Also, if three hours are lost on day 4, but none of 1-3 then only one of those three hours will get made up. So, the later in a test that time is lost, the less lost time will be made up. Day 2 was entirely washed out of the 1st test v South Africa in 2012-13 in Brisbane for example – only three of the six hours got made up. When a test is rain ruined, rain really does ruin it – 3rd and 5th tests of 2013 Ashes are classic examples. What did start in the second half of the 1990s was having an extra half an hour available if it could be reasonably expected that a result might be achieved within that half hour. That would have been good in the first bodyline test in Sydney for example.

2021-07-25T09:12:31+00:00

DaveJ

Roar Rookie


I think having a top spinner was as important as quick scoring rates in getting more wins and fewer draws. Also, I recall that making up for time lost due to bad weather/light didn’t come in until the 90s, though not sure about that. There’s an interesting article here which looked at which was the most dominant team from a number of angles: https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/stats-from-the-past-the-greatest-test-teams-543701

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2021-07-25T06:19:20+00:00

Once Upon a Time on the Roar

Roar Guru


I must correct myself, though Australia certainly did lose a test in the 1950-51 Ashes, if it was the 5th test that series as I am sure it was, then our unbeaten streak, given we lost our last test before WW2, was 25, which stood as a record until January 1985. Cheers.

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2021-07-25T05:55:48+00:00

Once Upon a Time on the Roar

Roar Guru


And I’ve just checked, the longest non losing streak of individual tests for Australia was 18, from 2nd test in Lanka Land late 1999 to 1st test in India early 2001 both inclusive. While not matching the aforementioned windies streak of 27, it would be a record for Australia, in tests, and presumably 2nd best for any team, in tests. Australia also went 24 tests from one-off test in Zimmer Land late 1999 to washed out test in Brissy 2001-02 without drawing a test, losing only 3, 1 of them a dead rubber. This would surely have to be the longest non-drawing streak.

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2021-07-25T05:51:12+00:00

Once Upon a Time on the Roar

Roar Guru


Hey Jon, yes I just read it (again) and now it’s all flooding back … I made half a dozen comments back then. I did notice something that i didn’t notice a year ago: “Bradman’s 1948 Invincibles were the first team to complete a tour of England unbeaten (in 34 matches) and walloped England 4-0 in the Tests. The tour was in the middle of a five-year period, March 1946 to February 1952, in which Australia didn’t lose a single Test – still a record.” That is actually not true. Australia’s first loss in an Ashes test after WW2 was in 1950-51 when they won 4-1 and I believe the lost test was a dead rubber, the final match. It made me think that was one thing I didn’t think to research in this particular article: the longest streak of not losing a single test, though nothing for Australia in the 1994-08 period would come close to the 27 by the West Indies from Dec 81 to Jan 85.

2021-07-24T14:43:37+00:00

Sedz

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Do anyone remember the Sydney test between IND vs AUS in 06/07? The series that brought lot of attention and controversy that's infamously called as Monkey gate. That match has bizzare umpiring decisions which went Aussies way. Nevertheless it was a hard fought series between two teams.

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2021-07-24T12:29:31+00:00

Once Upon a Time on the Roar

Roar Guru


But who though? And it wasn’t about sheer runs at that stage but also mental toughness rubbing off on others. That’s important.

2021-07-24T12:27:48+00:00

Micko

Roar Rookie


He was woeful to the point the selectors shouldn't have let him get that far. Ultimately a new batsman wouldn't have been a worser option than Ponting at that stage.

AUTHOR

2021-07-24T12:26:24+00:00

Once Upon a Time on the Roar

Roar Guru


And any positive appraisal of Chappelli should bring Rowdy out of his winter hibernation ...

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2021-07-24T12:22:56+00:00

Once Upon a Time on the Roar

Roar Guru


Yeah but he did it for the right selfless reasons and he admits he was not longer his best as a batsman. Ian Chappell also admits he played on one season too long for the wrong reasons - money.

2021-07-24T12:19:08+00:00

Micko

Roar Rookie


I think I'm still very annoyed that he played test cricket for two years after he SHOULD'VE retired! And the playing on after quitting the captaincy was weird for mine! :sick: :thumbdown:

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2021-07-24T12:19:06+00:00

Once Upon a Time on the Roar

Roar Guru


Yeah it and the 140 not out in the 2003 wc final are my absolute favourite innings form the Little Tozzie Legend.

2021-07-24T12:16:53+00:00

Micko

Roar Rookie


Yep, fair enough Bernie! :laughing: I’m not sure where I got that perception from. I still rate that 2005 ashes hundred he scored as one of the best and gutsiest innings I’ve seen from an aussie player. :thumbup: :cricket:

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2021-07-24T12:11:59+00:00

Once Upon a Time on the Roar

Roar Guru


Micko my very awesome friend, that is so absurd in a serious messed up way … Ponting’s first test ton was against a rampant Headley (grandson of George) and Gough, coming in on a spiteful pitch at 4-50. His second ton was against a rampant Donald coming in at 4 for 87. His 3rd was against Ambrose and Walsh, coming in at 4 for 104. His 4th was against Muralitharan in his own element when we were 1-0 down in a series – but were rain it would have proved a decisive match winning and series squaring innings. His 5th was against Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis and Shoaib Akhtar on your own fast bouncy WACA pitch coming in at 4 for 50. His 6th, while against a lesser Indian attack, still came at 4 for 50 odd. His 9th was 157 not out in Hobart against New Zealand, and I am not sure whether BOND – SHANE BOND – was playing or not.] ‘ His 10th was against Donald and Pollock to seal a series win over there in the Veldt, the same Veldt that brought Morant and Handcock undone … His 11th and 12th was against Waqar Younis, Shoaib Akhatar and Saqlain Mustaq over there in very unfamiliar territory. His 13th and 14th were against Steve Harmision. His 19th and 20th were against Anil Kumble while his 21st was against Shoaib Akhatar once again. I am only half way and already worn out … please tell me I have convinced you … ?

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2021-07-24T11:55:57+00:00

Once Upon a Time on the Roar

Roar Guru


Hey Mate, that sounds familiar actually … bear in mind I only been on the roar since June last year … I will read or re-read, whichever the case may be, but before I do, this is what I would say … The first thing we have to do is get rid of Bradman and replace him with someone the equal, no more, no less and that is Greg Chappell … So, that in mind, Langer and Hayden are at least the equal of Morris and Barnes, Ponting and GChappell cancel each other out. 2002 veteran, but over the hill Mark Waugh and talented rookie Harvey possibly cancel each other out also. Steve Waugh is easily superior to Lindsay Hassett and Damian Martyn and Gilchrist are far superior in combination as batsmen to Miller and Tallon – and I don’t care what nostalgic Bradman said, or any of his imaginary twitter followers say today, Tallon would not have been a significantly better keeper than Gilchrist. McGrath is a better bowler than Lindwall, Gillespie maybe just as good as Miller and either of Lee or Bichel just as good as Johnson. Warne is obviously a better bowler than whatever spinner was in 1948 – that’s just how good he was – I barely know his name. So Lindwall could bat, but so could Warne, Lee and Bichel.

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