Frank Pritchard reportedly fighting for life due to COVID complications

In which event, why are there still thousands of extremely well qualified and experienced doctors & medicos being shut down and their careers destroyed simply for wanting to discuss/debate genuine alternatives and questioning the drive for global vaccination? You just wouldn't have that if the evidence and narrative were as obvious and cut & dry as you suggest. I'm of the opinion that a vaccine - the right one - does reduce ones risks and degree of impact regarding Covid, however I also feel that there are alternatives, that this isn't a true pandemic (evidenced by comparisons to 'Contagion' and 'Outbreak') and there are nefarious motivation behind the scenes (evidenced by the aggressive and immoral attacks on any opposition) and mandates are unnecessary and inappropriate.

So then you also believe that those who contract Aids, develop diabetics, alcoholism, obesity issues et al should all pay for their own medical treatment because they made a risky decision. Where does it end??

And what of the goose that was vaxxed but went partying in SA and spread the virus?? And that one is just one of many cases. People seem to ignore that currently it is the vaxxed that are spreading the virus like wildfire. Seems that this is okay as long as you are vaxxed hence much of my irritation.

Doctors have been given 28 chapters of the vaccine research, development and data to read. This after the vaccine was even given the approval by several world health authorities for use. Professional medical research, not face book, google doctor research based on the conspiracy web pages.

DP, The flu usually kills elderly or people with underlying issues. It rarely takes out physically fit 30year olds. Covid hasn’t killed people in Australia because we have mitigated the spread with lockdowns up until now. The risk to the vaccinated is significantly less to those unvaccinated and there is overwhelming evidence/data to prove this. As for fear mongering is massive in the anti-vac mantra. Every country has used the vaccinations as a key strategy to protect the health of it population. A vaccine was being developed over 15 years ago. It has been given more funding, research and faced more scrutiny than an vaccine in medical history. There have been around 9 billion doses administered world wide. You have a bigger risk of a blood clot in women taking the pill or sitting on your ass for more than 4hrs. Plenty chose the pill and sit down for more than 4hrs a day. Plenty eat and drink more harmful chemicals every day than the vaccine presents. Personally I think it’s very selfish to ignore obvious benefits the vaccine offers to those in the medical, ambulance and business sector ability to stay functioning. If you don’t want to take the vaccine I think you should be paying for your hospital stay should you end up requiring medical assistance.

I actually didn't say it (Covid) was no worse than the common flu, I actually said it was worse but the numbers don't necessarily even back that up. Do some research, flu in 2017 (Aus) killed more in the year than either of the past two years of Covid (individually) {NB the actual Flu isn't a bad cold, it's a killer}. Also, a very high number of Covid deaths have been linked with comorbidity, suggesting many are dying with Covid rather than because of Covid. And I'm not discounting the difficulty Frank P or Andrew J are going through, just suggesting that people need a broader, well researched and thoughtful POV rather than the 'vaccine is the only answer' mantra. I also think we as a community/society need to be more positive and not get caught up in the fearmongering or fracturing.

Just standard and common everyday names. No inappropriate or other connotations exist or are invited. Just like 'John Ross Ewing' (Dallas fame) was aka JR Ewing..

Seriously. With a previously fit 38 year old now on life support you have the audacity to claim it no worse than the common flu. The common flu kills around 0.01% annually by the way. Gee Andrew Johns must be a sook having to go to hospital? I believe open heart surgery and amputation of a limb is 7-12 days in hospital. About the same time of the average covid stay. I hope Frank is able to get over this but I’m not sure his life won’t be effected by this bout of what you call the common flu.

Thank you. I appreciated the thoughtful and informative response as well as enhancing my understanding of alternative treatments. Cheers

Why? I've found enough, if you go researching you'll find it too. Not that easy, to be honest, because it (Ivermectin) is cheap and interferes with the money making machine a lot of what you are asking for is buried. BTW, I didn't just mention Ivermectin, there are many other treatment options. Also BTW, look up Dr John Campbell. He's one of the most balanced medical voices and generally pro vaccine.

You 'are going to laugh when I die'. Well, I think that sets the type of person you are. I note you didn't mention what I die of, because apparently the reason doesn't matter...

Do some research before you call people dumb.

Agreed. :thumbup:

What does “DP” stand for?

Im in no way anti-vax. In fact i got vaccinated as soon as i possibly could and will be going for the booster at my earliest opportunity. However, there is plenty of peer reviewed studies of Ivermectin being somewhat effective against Covid, both as a preventative and treatment. I was reading a lot of them when bored in lockdown because i’ve immunocompromised friends, who despite being vaccinated have no actual antibodies in their system due to their condition not being able to produce an immune response to the vaccine. They are there if you want to search for them. These studies however are not done to the same depth that vaccine studies have been done. Many of them were along the lines of, well our patients are dying anyways may as well give them this and see what happens. Generally the subjects given Ivermectin saw improved results to those that were not at a rate that was deemed statically significant. There were less studies done that demonstrated why. The urgency of the situation meant it pretty much went from theorised why it might work to lets start trying it, without the middle step. I’m sure further research has been done the past 18months-2 years to when i was reading about it so perhaps this has been further looked into. The biggest issue of Ivermectin as a preventative is that it is not sustainable. You would need everyone taking Ivermectin every day, and whilst it does have uses in treatment, for someone unvaccinated it would still not reduce the effects to what someone comparable who is vaccinated would likely experience. Though I would always chose the vaccine path myself, I could understand someone young and healthy with any family history of clotting or negative reactions to similar vaccines preferring not to be vaccinated when other treatment options do exist. Especially as the natural progression course for a virus is for them to mutate to become less dangerous with time. Without the family history, well i can’t say i understand their decision, but it is theirs to make.

Ivermectin has had the same efficacy in preventing complications and transmission as one of the fully approved vaccines?? Please cite peer-reviewed studies that show this.

I'm gonna laugh hard when you die. I'll keep an eye out in the memoriam pages of the paper.

Ivermectin hey? You're criminally dumb.

where did i put down those who choose their own path? get vaccinated - don't get vaccinated - each to their own. yes in the 1st wave many who died were the aged, most vunerable. As for supporting vaccines - guess there's a reason why many have not heard of, or there are very few cases of - Polio, whooping cough, HepA/B, HIB, rotavirus, measles, chickenpox etc. the 2019 measles outbreak in Tonga was because vaccination rates had dropped. Big difference - the covid vaccines have been rushed into service and far from ideal.

Or that the most vulnerable were hit in the first waves of Covid and those that are left have more resistance and the reduction in deaths is not really the result of the vaccines. I would agree that it has had some effect, but not to the level to be lauded as the great and necessary life saving solution. Ivermectin and other solutions have delivered equally impressive results (Japan, India, Mexico + {I think} Chile). If you want to follow statistics or numbers than note that more people under 20 have been injured/adversely affected/died from the vaccines than actual Covid and 20 - 50 age group the numbers aren't reliable. End comment, have and support vaccinations if you want, but don't revere it as the only solution or put down those who choose another path.