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And Lomax’s reads in defence are terrible. I do think he is a talent and will one day be worthy of an origin spot but he is nowhere near close enough yet in my opinion.
I wouldn’t of had a problem with Crichton ahead of Gutherson but aside from one (admittedly very bad) missed tackle, which he was at least in position for but just failed to execute, Gutherson didn’t really do anything wrong.

These four players will fix the Blues

Another great article Barry. Romelo is one that I thought was destined for a long career when I saw him coming through the grades. A shame he could never get his off field discipline up to standards.

The forgotten players: Melbourne Storm

To me the truth lies somewhere in the middle. There is no doubting Bellamy is a great coach. You don’t have the sustained success he has had otherwise. But comments like “Slater, Smith and Cronk were no names” is a prime example of brilliant young players continuing their natural upwards trajectory as Peter says. For every example of a journeyman playing his best foot under Bellamy there is another of a player who hasn’t kicked on under him. But this is the same at every other club.

The forgotten players: Melbourne Storm

Yeah though it is still in the rule book there is no such thing as a voluntary tackle anymore unfortunately.
It’s still supposed to be deemed a “surrender” tackle however so there shouldn’t be a reward of a quick play the ball as a result at least.

Six talking points from State of Origin 2

Pretty sure He played left centre at Broncos prior to injury in 2019

The forgotten players: St George Illawarra Dragons

DCE, Munster and Papalli definitely. I’m a big fan of Arrow and Gagai’s origin performances puts him on this list as well. Not sure how you include Friend, Kaufusi and Holmes.

Keary dumped, Holmes returns as Origin Game 2 teams confirmed

Agreed, for all their faults surely the likes of Lomax aren’t the answer to improving the teams defence

Six talking points from State of Origin 1

I’ve always enjoyed hating Smith. The game needs villains as much as it needs champions. And typically, as in Smith’s case, the villain is simply the champion of the other team.
I think there are a lot of reasons for disliking Smith are justified. But admittedly there are just as many that are not.
But even I can differentiate between Smith the on field villain and Smith the off field gentlemen.

Cameron Smith and LeBron James: Good people first, GOATs second

Wasn’t so much intentionally doubling down as much as I didn’t really like my first article as soon as I hit submit and decided to rewrite to make this one. Didn’t think roar would put up both.
I used to really enjoy triple m’s coverage when Bill Harrigan was part of the commentary team pulling up other commentators on what the actual wording of rules are and how they’re instructed to interpret them.

Time to update the NRL rule book to reflect the actual rules

count the amount of forward passes from dummy half (by both teams) when watching the replay. I know quite a few are let go every game but last night felt like it would’ve been a record number

Four talking points from the NRL grand final

I agree, Panthers were winning the grind at the time. Wouldve liked to see some acknowledgement of Storm absorbing that pressure and capitalising on the few opportunities they got. The failure to do so perhaps somewhat showed a little bit of bias. But, to me a lot of what Gould was saying was ringing true.

Four talking points from the NRL grand final

But are we categorising May’s actions the same as Slater’s? To me they are in no way similar. There is a very big difference between sliding into a tackle foot first at speed and trying to poke a foot up under the ball in order to dislodge the ball or prevent it reaching the ground. To me one is dangerous and one is not. One should be penalised as a dangerous tackle and one should not.

Additionally, there were a lot of similar tackles made to May’s this year and every year, with the only difference being contact made between the foot and the ball did not dislodge the ball. These tackles were rightly applauded and deemed as held up (in the occasions when it did hold up the player) or not penalised and try awarded (in the occasions where the player got the ball to ground despite the foot). The fact that none of these previous tackles hadn’t resulted in 8 point trys or penalty trys means that the actions, and thus also May’s actions aren’t considered dangerous and not penalty worthy.

Four talking points from the NRL grand final

In 2008 the NRL announced the Slater style feet first slide tackle would be deemed as striking due to the high risk nature of the action. Slater was previously allowed to contest tries in such way as there was no rule about using feet to disposes a player.
The announcement aside, there was no change to the rule book. May didn’t slide in feet first so this striking interpretation can not be applied to him. Either May’s actions are deemed dangerous, which no-one has told me they believe they were, or it should not be a penalty.

Four talking points from the NRL grand final

Thanks soapit.
That’s all I’m asking for, the expert says it’s against the rules but what rule did he breach?
There is nothing in the rule book that says you can’t use feet. It does specifically say you can’t use knees but doesn’t mention feet. As such the use of a foot seems legal to me.

As for “The rule that says you can’t do what he did” the only rule that comes close falls under the dangerous tackle which the author has said the tackle wasn’t dangerous.

Four talking points from the NRL grand final

But even the author deemed May’s actions as not dangerous, do why is he being penalised for a dangerous tackle?
He hasn’t slid in with feet or knees ala Slater and he wasn’t striking. So I can’t see where the penalty is.
I had another watch and flick through my rule book this morning now that I’m both sober and rested and I still can’t see a breach.
Though my comments about allowed to use a foot to complete a tackle were slightly wrong in this case. You are indeed allowed to use a foot to complete a tackle if two arms are in contact with the player. But that is to bring a player to the ground and described as a throw. Whereas Olam was already on the ground, not being brought to the ground. Additionally, May did not have 2 arms on Olam.
But I stand by I can’t see a breach of any rule, IF we agree the tackle wasn’t dangerous.

Four talking points from the NRL grand final

But it’s not against the rules, at least none that I can see. Which rule exactly did May break?

Reasons I’m not convinced about Koro, he isn’t looking at the ball prior to or when swinging his arm out. When he is swinging his arm out he actually places his head into a position where he would be unable to see the ball at all. I think he is just swinging his arm, not specifically aiming for the ball but just trying to get arm/ball/hands whatever he can make contact with to stop the pass, knowing they were short numbers that way if the pass was made. Yes, he got nothing but ball, but as I said not convinced he was specifically aiming to hit the ball out of his hands.

Four talking points from the NRL grand final

Strongly disagree with the penalty try.
“Tyrone May might not have endangered Justin Olam, but …”
So we agree it shouldn’t be a penalty as a dangerous tackle.And I’m sure the rule book says you are allowed to use your leg provided you first have contact with both arms, which May did. So not sure how you come to the conclusion that a penalty try was to the correct decision.
I also am not convinced the Korosau was playing at the ball for Smith’s try. In fact I personally don’t think he was and would have upheld the no try call. But, I’m also not convinced that he wasn’t either so wasn’t really upset by this decision.
Similarly I could go either way on the Mansour no try. I believe it was a defensive decision by Lee to take Crichton. But how Crichton (and seemingly every other footballer) hasn’t worked out they need to step and hit the inside shoulder is beyond me. His failure to do so to me ultimately means I agreed with it being no try.

Four talking points from the NRL grand final

Congratulations to Storm, the better team on the night won. They had a lot of luck go their way in the first half. But it takes more than luck. You need to be good enough to take full advantage of it, which they were.
Great to see Papenhuzen receive the Churchill. Often the best player is overlooked in favour of the best story, which I’m glad wasn’t the case tonight.
Another notch in Smith’s belt. Goat or not (which I think is a bit of silly discussion anyway given different roles of positions and eras) if he does retire, which seems more than likely, he deserves to go out a winner. Although, I will miss him as the villain.

Storm dominate first half, survive comeback to claim 2020 premiership

Agreed, I believe even his point scoring record shouldn’t stand. He was in an illegal team when accumulated the majority of those points.

You don't have to like him, but you do have to admit Cameron Smith is rugby league's greatest ever

In fairness I’m not sure you could create a Beeston clone. But then, you couldn’t create a Smith clone either. The bloke is just to smart.

How we should farewell the NRL's GOAT if he retires

That’s probably a bit harsh on the kiwis mate. There’s probably two or three players in each NZ side that is a tier below everyone else on the field but the majority of the side is strong.
Besides, the point was more about the experience than their ability. Although not the same thing, they’ve experienced playing in big games.

The NRL needs a Panthers grand final win, but Cam Smith will get his fairytale

Yeah, my only issue with the draw currently is that often traditional rivals or local Derby’s only meet once. And often when they do it is a terrible timeslot.
In my opinion they need to maximize these games that you know will be sellouts.

An opportunity awaits the NRL

Rivalry/geography, the two typically go together. Ultimately just trying to create the groups that would attract the biggest crowds.
The 4 western Sydney teams was the easiest grouping. Geographically it works plus there are a few old rivals there.
Then 3 Qld teams and Since Melbourne typically always draw a crowd in Qld I’ve put them in the Qld group.
Then it came down to a few pairs. Dragons/Sharks, Roosters/Souths, Manly/Knights. Leaving Raiders/Warriors needing to be paired as to not break up another pair.
From there figured geographically Manly/Knights pair better with the city teams and Canberra with the more Southern teams. Plus there is/was a bit of history between Manly and Souths.

An opportunity awaits the NRL

I don’t know how people, particularly those you would think would be well informed given they frequent sports websites, still think he had a 5 year premiership plan.
From memory the exact quote was “it’ll take 5 years to sort out their salary cap”.

The NRL needs a Panthers grand final win, but Cam Smith will get his fairytale

Yes, although May is as you say a makeshift centre he has won the spot ahead of Naden and also Whare as the coach believes he is the best defensive option. And he will have probably the best defensive halfback inside him in Cleary.
I’m not arguing against the quality of Melbourne’s left, they’re superb and will create points. But,they arent matched up against a weak Panthers edge.

The NRL needs a Panthers grand final win, but Cam Smith will get his fairytale