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probably, but, are the cameramen and all the rest of the staff needed to broadcast a game in a bubble? They may not have any contact with the players but there would be real possibility they have contact with each other and the broader community.
Also, and i could very much be wrong, i thought the players had been allowed out of their bubble due to no cases in Qld.

UPDATED: Footy chaos as NRL, AFL postpone games with Queensland in lockdown

Will check it out over the weekend, thanks.
But as for this particular topic, not really. I’d need some convincing that the results are the outcome of the stats and not the other way around.

The secret statistic behind the top NRL teams

“you can clearly see the best teams want their backs doing more of the dirty work early in the sets than their forwards”
I havent looked at the stats to confirm but typically all teams want their backs doing early hit ups. I dont see how this shows the best teams doing something different, just doing the same thing better.
“The backs can play the ball much quicker and are more likely to draw a six again or penalty than forwards”
I don’t think there is any evidence to make this statement, though I would assume (but dont know) that backs have received more 6 agains than forwards.
This would be a logical result of teams deliberately holding down on play one, ‘accidental’ offsides when trying to maximise line speed to keep a team pinned inside their 10m whilst tired forwards from the attacking team struggle to get behind the play the ball and the holding down of players after a linebreak. Not because of an inherent ability of backs to play the ball quicker.

The secret statistic behind the top NRL teams

Are the top teams utilising their backs better? Or, do the backs in the top teams simply run more metres because their in a top team which forces more clearing kicks from the opposition by dominating the territorial battle?
I suspect it is more the latter given the outside backs in the lesser teams consistently run for more metres than their team mates in the forward pack, and as others have noted this is not a new tactic.

The secret statistic behind the top NRL teams

I’m fine if others think he is active, but the only argument is that you believe his presence pressured Rapana. As i previously stated this is a fair interpretation. I’ve happily agreed to disagree with people who hold this opinion.
What irks me is people changing up the facts to suit their argument. For instance the kick barely travelled beyond 10m yet you are saying Brown ran 40m, or AJ saying Brown made the offload for the try, which he did not.
When the kick went up Brown took off to be part of the contest. He was called offside by the on field ref. He then slowed down instead of continuing to contest the ball. This (and the other Eels Rapana had to contend with) is why I believe he did not pressure Rapana. He may well have intended to make a tackle if needed. This would explain why he continued forward instead of standing perfectly still. Most offside players would rather concede a penalty (or 6 again) than a linebreak. But his intention to defend is not in question. The only question is did he “influence the course of the game”?

Big boppers, two wrongs and a one-eyed play: NRL Round 19 talking points

That is the international rules, but it can be superseded by the active/passive part of the NRL laws and interpretations.
In relation to kick, an active offside player shall not encroach within 10 metres of the ball, when
there is an opponent waiting for the ball.
ACTIVE OR PASSIVE:
Active is:
An offside player who takes part in and/or influences the course of the game.
Passive is:
An offside player who does not influence the course of the game.
IF he is deemed passive it is fair. And for all the comments saying that the offside wasnt looked at, there was some muttering about ‘passive’ from the bunker so it was looked at and ruled upon.
Now i understand the argument that he was active. And it is a fair argument. But to me he was passive, he was no in the contest for the ball and the receiver was under pressure from other kick chasers so i don’t believe Brown’s presence could be deemed as pressuring the kicker.
I’m more than okay with others disagreeing with whether Brown was active or passive.
But, my main point is that so many are carrying on that it was an absolute howler, when to me it was not. It was just another call that could go either way.

Big boppers, two wrongs and a one-eyed play: NRL Round 19 talking points

b) Raiders touched the ball without retaining it
c) Papallii is in possession of the ball in front of him

Big boppers, two wrongs and a one-eyed play: NRL Round 19 talking points

I know ive commented this in other threads but both the video ref decisions in the Raiders v Eels game were correct in my opinion. I understand that his being passive or active is a point of contention but any involvement after Papallii is in possession is legal.
With the 2nd decision i understand an arguement for a shoulder charge penalty but a collision using the hip and torso isnt a shoulder charge. But, even if deemed a penalty it is not a penalty try when contact is made side on.

Big boppers, two wrongs and a one-eyed play: NRL Round 19 talking points

Great article The Barry, and also really enjoyed some of the comments as well.
I’d say I will be jumping on the Panthers bandwagon for the reasons youve outlined. I hope it is Storm vs Panthers Grand Final as i think any other combination would be a let down after the two have been so dominant this year. I would like to get behind Roosters with the band aid team they will be reduced come finals time but just can’t see them going deep.
Will likely open myself up for a barrage of criticism here but can’t believe Panthers and Souths fans copped a hit but Melbourne fans did not. Their ignorance of salary cap rorting, wrestling allegations as well as their leading the charge of “Sydney bias” i find as irritating as anything Panthers and Souths fans do.
Disclaimer, just as not ALL Souths and Panthers fans are guilty of such irritating behavior neither are all Storm fans. Joe if you read this you are one such Storm aligned contributor who’s comments I value.

The fine art of bandwagon jumping

Okay before I get started “Pre-season, the Tigers were tipped to be sitting around the eight, however it’s no surprise they have receded expectations.”. Who tipped them to be sitting around the eight? They were 11th last year and lost their* best player (Harry Grant) and the player leading their try assists (Marshall). Many had them tipped for last and most for bottom 4. Anyways…

The Tigers rebuild has already started.
The rebuild within the club (off-field) started a few seasons back when Pascoe took over from Go and MaGuire from Cleary as well as the continued involvement (and investment) of Lee Hagipantelis. A host of back room changes were made with their introductions and Tigers are now one of the few financially stable clubs.
The on-field rebuild will take longer still but again is well underway. As previously commented the Tigers currently are not a destination club and will struggle to sign any marquee players. The organisation have noted this and have targeted younger players. Utoikamanu and Laurie are young signings with limitless potential, whilst other young recruits such as Simpkin, Simpkins, Seyfarth, Blore, Pauga and Madden have tasted first grade and look to have promising futures. Strong performances in lower grades suggest there is plenty of talent coming through to build a future. If some of these players progress as expected there is no doubt they can combine with the few decent young first graders currently in the Tigers line up (Douehi (22), L Leilua (25), Mikaele (23), Twal (25), Ofahengaue (25)) to form a strong first grade side in the not to distant future.
The issue moving forward, as it has been in the past, is can the club retain such players. We’ve all seen the lists of players Tigers have lost to other clubs. Convincing the current crop of young players to stay at the Tigers and build success instead of looking to move on to an already successful club will be critical to the outcome of the Tigers rebuild.
What gives me hope that things will be different this time around is that Tigers should be able to financially match or even exceed any other options. The Tigers have a history of poor signings placing pressure on their salary cap. Currently it is the inflated contracts of underperforming players such as Russell Packer and Moses Mbye. Recently, the same could be said of Josh Reynalds, Ben Matulino. Prior to that Chris McQueen, Jamal Idris and Matt Ballin. It is a list that spans the length of their finals drought. However, this should not be an issue moving forward. Packer’s contract is off the books at the end of this year, Mbye’s the end of next. With the rest of the squad signed at around the value they are producing* salary cap pressure should not be an issue with regard to player retention. (*I’ve seen Brooks’ contract valued at anywhere from 500-900K. It seems to grow with each article about him, however at the time of signing most reported at 600K per season, additionally i’ve found no evidence to support the proposed Brooks to Canberra trade).
Finally, I don’t know if MaGuire is the man to take them forward, but i also don’t know that he is not. Much is made based on what was shown of him on the documentary (or in the case in some arguments, what was not) but I don’t believe the documentary actually revealed anything at all. I am happy to retain him currently, as a) he hasn’t got the roster to expect success b) hasn’t had the cap space or the destination to make big recruitment moves c) is there really a better option?

Does the Tigers' rebuild start with the players or deep within the club?

Keighran and Morris in the centres, Manu wing? Would also give them a genuine goal kicker.

Morris’ return to boost injury-hit Roosters

he is allowed to get into position to receive the pass. He was made onside by that point.

Unbelievable bunker miss, try of the year and phenomenal save in 2021's most outrageous finish

This is right, though i dont see how this call can be described as a howler. I (and some others i know) deem Brown to be passive. Though many on this thread (and some others i know deem Brown to be active. If there is a fair argument to be made both ways for any decision I dont think it can be considered a howler. Just one of the many calls throughout the game that could go either way but is awarded based on the referees opinion.

Unbelievable bunker miss, try of the year and phenomenal save in 2021's most outrageous finish

Why do you believe it is not passive? He was not involved in the contest?

Unbelievable bunker miss, try of the year and phenomenal save in 2021's most outrageous finish

The within 2m of the contest does not matter unless he is, in the opinion of the referee, to be pressuring the player catching the ball. Once the referee believes he is not pressuring the opposition player not only is he passive he became onside under (b) below.

Papallii running (backwards) into him does not matter. In fact it only ensures that he should be deemed onside, (c) below.

3. An offside player is placed onside if:
(a) an opponent moves ten metres or more with the ball.
(b) an opponent touches the ball without retaining it.
(c) one of his own team in possession of the ball runs in front
of him.
(d) one of his own team kicks or knocks the ball forward and
takes up a position in front of him in the field of play.
(e) he retires behind the point where the ball was last touched
by one of his own team, or to his own in- goal

Unbelievable bunker miss, try of the year and phenomenal save in 2021's most outrageous finish

Was passive IMO. Correct call

Unbelievable bunker miss, try of the year and phenomenal save in 2021's most outrageous finish

I usually enjoy Mary’s articles but i don’t understand this one. How can someone be critical of Gould’s appointment when they have “no knowledge of the scope of Gould’s role or the amount of money the Bulldogs are paying him”. Be critical of the limited clarity around his role, not just the fact he has been signed.
Though i no longer enjoy Gould’s commentary i do believe he has done great work in club land. I believe he is very much responsible for the development systems in place at Penrith, though this does not mean he is wholey responsible for the current performance of the first grade team.
I also don’t see how anyone can attribute any failings by the Warriors to Gould. His role there was to develop junior pathways. Whilst you have noted Covid has limited his opportunity to do so, the other issue is even if he had been able to travel and perform his duties, not enough time has elapsed for any juniors from a revamped pathways system to have graduated to first grade.
Time will tell if he has any success at the Bulldogs. But, like you im not sure what exactly his role is there to know if this looks to be a good signing.
Also, good to see boom rookies get a mention. Probably my favourite league podcast.

Tevita Pangai Jr and Phil Gould: One of the Bulldogs' signings makes perfect sense

I agree to an extent but we were given an answer to why Suaalii. After the request for exemption was submitted the NRL evidently conducted all manner of investigations with him, his club, his family and his school and deemed he was physically and mentally fit to play.
As for why not…? The first question was any request (officially) sent. Then what were the findings of an investigation. If a player was deemed not mentally ready then then releasing the details why surely isn’t in the best interest of that player.

'Massive blunder': Why the NRL owes injured Joseph Suaalii an apology

and being pros, physiological training type and load is tailored to the individual. Roosters sports science staff know his age and abilities and would train him accordingly.

'Massive blunder': Why the NRL owes injured Joseph Suaalii an apology

Perfect analysis

V’Landys Ball proves Storm are the only truly professional NRL club

I half agree, defences are broken down through the middle but look at the number of wingers having a record try scoring year.
This shows ball movement is still crucial.

V’Landys Ball proves Storm are the only truly professional NRL club

100 percent BJJ has been used in defence pre-Storm. I’ve never suggested it hasnt been. But it was take downs and reversals not the more dangerous stuff referred to before.

V’Landys Ball proves Storm are the only truly professional NRL club

Have i seen such tackles prior the the Storm? Yes.
But, i have not seen the systematic use of them prior to the Storm.
I don’t form my opinions based on the media but on what i see. And ive been around BJJ enough to recognise it when i see it.
I have never once claimed that the Storm’s successes relied on their wrestling. If anything ive argued the opposite. The Storm are among the most well drilled in every other aspect of football, it is only logical that they are among the most well drilled at wrestling as well.
Additionally, the wrestle is every bit a part of the modern game as it has been in the past. The difference now is that the illegal manouvers for the most part are no longer deliberately employed as referees (and match review committee) now know what they are looking for with them and penalise accordingly.
If anything the 6 again has changed the attacking side of the game to suit more expansive play. The Storm reinvegerated their attack several years ago (2018 i think but would have to go back to check what year it in fact was) to play more expansive football. The 6 again rule actually suits their game.

V’Landys Ball proves Storm are the only truly professional NRL club

Grapple, crusher, chicken wing and hip drops all started in Melbourne. I guess you could argue that all (except maybe hip drop) are harmless if the person they are performed on does not resist and allows their body to be moved. But when they are wrestling back they are dangerous manouvers.
I dont question the character of all at the club, but certainly many. As for including the NRL employees and referees, i certainly dont question their character as a result of this as they have had to implement and adjudicate on new rules that have rightfully outlawed such tackles.

V’Landys Ball proves Storm are the only truly professional NRL club

Again impressive (especially given he was in the same premiership team as Norrie, and while one journeyman type player in a premiership team is common, 2 is really not) and a good story but a half truth. He was working as a barman prior to the 2010 season. It was the Rabbitohs who called him back during the 2010 season, as injuries tested their forward depth, and they were looking to push for the finals (fell short and came 9th). Storm signed him from Souths for the 2011 season before the 2010 season was over.
But yes, he is an example of fringe first grader (though he had already played over 100 games) to premiership winner. That takes the list to two, not exactly “time and time again”.

V’Landys Ball proves Storm are the only truly professional NRL club

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