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“back-to-back-to-back” 3 GFs in a row. Manly only managed 2

NRL season review and crystal ball Part 4: Manly, Souths, Panthers and Storm

On the logo. I dont understand the details of it but apparently the new logo is somehow more digital friendly than the old logo. In the medium to long term the new logo is supposed to be more cost effective. I’m not the most tech savy so I cant explain how this works. But, any notion of fan designs or voting on designs would either ignore the very reason for the new logo or add to the costs of designing a new logo.
In relation to Brooks over Douehi. Brooks probably would not have been my choice. I would have chosen Laurie (who was joint POTY) or possibly even Utoikamanu over Brooks. But, Doueihi would not have even come into consideration. Yes he had some good attacking highlights (though fox suggest he was still 7 TA less than Brooks) but his defence has been woeful.
As for the location of the COE. The training base for the club has been Concord for some time. I believe the lease is signed for some years yet. It would make sense for the COE at the same location.
The reason Macathur is ‘ignored’ is because Wests Ashfield owns the club. They are located conveniently close to Leichardt and not far from Concord. It is only logical that Leichardt gets it share of home games and the training facilities are near by. Additionally there are plenty of juniors from the Balmain side of the merger that should not be lost by a fulltime move to Macarthur.
This does not mean Macarthur, both their fans and their junior base should be completely ignored. Games should be continued to play at Campbelltown and better junior pathways should be established. Fortunately the club has already acknowledged this and pathways, particularly in Macarthur has been a major area of focus.
Whilst a part of me feels any games outside of these 2 locations should not be considered. Games at Bankwest were a cash grab exercise. I dont know the clubs finances to know if this is still needed, and dont really have a problem with taking a game there if it is. But surely take a Bulldogs or Penrith game or something there, not an Eels game.

How can the Wests Tigers reach their potential?

Agree that no club’s position is assured but it is certainly not a myth that it is significantly harder for bottom teams to recruit. There is no hard and fast rule that all players will stay at or go to a club for loyalty, success, money or any other reason. Each player have their own drives. But, the evidence is clearly there that successful clubs can sign players at a lower pay rate compared to less successful clubs.
For every Ponga who has left a high flying club there are multiple Reimis Smith’s who stated Storm’s offer was $100K a season less than other Sydney clubs but he wanted to go to somewhere successful.
I’m not saying there is no way out for a struggling club or that the successful clubs dont deserve their success. Just that the disparity in attracting talent exists and relative success can be largely predicted based on this disparity.

NRL season review and crystal ball Part 3: Titans, Knights, Eels and Roosters

Knights and Titans have turned their clubs around with some astute signings, but they were made at a premium and some would consider risky.
Knights started their recruitment by paying ‘overs’ for a teenage fullback with minimal first grade experience before picking up a discarded Mitchell Pearce well into pre-season, reportedly on close to $1M.
Similarly, Titans signed a teenage middle forward for a reported $700K 12months before his contract was to start. Again, Tino was an astute signing but Titans are fortunate that Storm continued to develop him and sent him to Melbourne a premiership winner rather than leaving him in Q Cup in 2020. They then paid $1.2M a season for a brilliant but inconsistent back rower.
Yes, these signings have been instrumental on getting the club off the bottom of the ladder but they are examples of signings made at a premium.
Dogs have made similar moves. Burton’s contract looks fair or possibly even ‘unders’ now but he was signed nearly 12 months in advance and with little first grade experience. He is being sent to the Bulldogs a premiership winner but was a promising young reserve grader at the time of signing. JAC a great winger and a fair price given his standing in the game, but wingers rarely turn clubs around. The rest of their signings are a fullback cut by the struggling Dragons (Dufty), a declining front rower with off-field baggage (Vaughan), a centre-winger who has been in and out of first grade (Naden) and another exceptionally talented front rower, again with on and off-field bagage being paid at top tier contract (Pangai).

NRL season review and crystal ball Part 3: Titans, Knights, Eels and Roosters

Well said. Also you’ve Joey as a halves coach who has been unavailable the past 2 years (covid). If he does genuinely have something to offer as a coach he will be back.

Arthur extension gives him a piece of Eels history, eases roster concerns

Kaufusi didn’t play any differently last year to how he has the rest of his career. The difference being he has a run first hooker, half and fullback inside and outside him whereas in the past Smith, Cronk and to a lesser extent Slater were masters of creating for others.
Not sure Welch and Smith (who imo clearly had a shoulder, not head, injury in the prelim) have had notably more concussions than other NRL forwards.

No GOAT, no glory: Is the Storm’s purple reign coming to an end?

they will be fine, in fact ive just put some cash on them for the 2022 premiership

No GOAT, no glory: Is the Storm’s purple reign coming to an end?

yeah, im thinking its going to be a very lean year. The best 17 will compete especially if they can find a bit of effort in defense but no depth.
Gildart, an English rep has been signed as one centre. He looks to be very quick with good footwork but small and drops off tackles. Not sure who will start on the other side. BJ has been released, Roberts is still around. Tommy Talau is probably the best option but does have an error in him and will likely miss the start of the season. I have high hopes for a young bloke Asu Kepaoa, Played a few games (mostly on the wing) last year before an ACL. Theres a few other good young backs coming through but with lower grades cancelled this year they probably arent ready.

NRL season review and crystal ball Part 1: The cellar dwellers - Bulldogs, Cowboys, Broncos, Tigers

I agree with your overall assessment of Brooks, deserves his place in first grade but not a top tier halfback. It is his short kicking game that is painful to watch but aside from that i think every other aspect of his game is sufficient if not actually good.
I thought Doueihi was pretty good in attack but doesn’t deserve the praise that opposition fans always give him. Whilst he is often credited as our only attacking threat foxsports stats has Brooks 23 try assists (the same as J. Hughes who people rave about) to Doueihi’s 16. He was probably also our worst defender though admittedly not helped by those inside him. Doueihi does bring a bit of passion and leadership that is sorely missing at the club and floating or spiral bombs (though under utilised) that Brooks doesnt possess.
Leilua went on a good run mid season but started and ended the season poorly.
You are absolutely right about Roberts. At the start of the season i figured he was a good signing for Tigers given his potential and it being close to minimum wage contract. But even on that contract he was well over paid for what he delivered, though like you said, just one of many who under performed.

NRL season review and crystal ball Part 1: The cellar dwellers - Bulldogs, Cowboys, Broncos, Tigers

Dont disagree with most of your grading, though i think the Metcalf one is questionable. I would argue that Tino doesn’t fit the description of “not being touted as the big off-season recruit”. Just because Fifita was that doesn’t mean Tino wasn’t.
Also whilst youve graded these reasonably fairly not sure any would make the actual top 5.

Four out of five ain’t bad: Revisiting my five astute signings for 2021

Not sure thats the case. Gus has said multiple times already that he will have very little input into coaching and that the 2022 roster was pretty much finalised before he got there.

White powder, rule changes and Panthers get job done: Lessons learnt from 2021

Cant believe Brooks needing to engage the line is what has been identified as what went wrong for he Tigers. He was leading the comp for line engagements at the end of the regular season and remains 2nd after the finals. Their “anaemic” attack managed more points than 7 other teams despite the 15th worse defense in the competition. Simply put poor defense reduces attacking opportunities so to be sitting in 9th for points scored with their defense shows their attack is far from anaemic.
Whilst i see little improvement next year it is simply the defensive side of the game that needs addressing, particularly the disconnect between Doueihi and Leilua if they are to continue defending together and the willingness of the middle to work from the inside leaving their edges exposed.

NRL season review and crystal ball Part 1: The cellar dwellers - Bulldogs, Cowboys, Broncos, Tigers

They are penalised for bringing the game into disrepute which they did through “suspicion and a bad look” that is the case they have to answer. They are not being penalised for taking or possessing a banned substance.

Four NRL players cop fines and suspensions for bringing the game into disrepute

Aside from the amount of the suspended fine, that is exactly the same as what other clubs do.

Four NRL players cop fines and suspensions for bringing the game into disrepute

But they are guilty of bringing the game into disrepute. Even if it actually was a bag of Stevia. The fact that they were filmed drunk and in possession of a questionable substance and failed to co-operate with the integrity unit. That alone has brought the game into disrepute.

Four NRL players cop fines and suspensions for bringing the game into disrepute

best summary of the Tigers woes ive ever read.

Wests and Tigers: Time to separate the black from the gold

I agree that it is community/world wide and across every sport. But that doesnt change that it does damage to the brand and breaches their contract and as such should be sanctioned. (Arguably) the greatest Olympian ever, Phelps, was photographed smoking a bong, despite being an individual athlete he still had to go through the remorseful for his actions song and dance to mitigate the damage done to his own brand. And probably not Brady not sure that guy knows how to have fun, but i’d expect the rest of them to have.

The 'white powder' dilemma: Why the NRL has no business sticking its nose in

I somewhat agree, i personally dont care what footballers or anyone else dabble in. And the bloke behind the camera is not blameless, in fact i agree with your assessment of the ‘nasty little dobber’. But he is powerless to do anything if Munster and Smith arent misbehaving. They are the ones doing the wrong thing and breaching their contract. Do I personally care? No, I wasn’t the least bit angry when the news broke. But I can certainly understand why their employers care, or even why parents of kids who admire them care.

The 'white powder' dilemma: Why the NRL has no business sticking its nose in

It is not as simple as dont report on it. Social media will see these incidents become public knowledge whether it is covered by mainstream media or not.
Once it is public knowledge it has the potential to damage the brand of both the club and the NRL and possibly cost them revenue. Therefore the club and the NRL are right to reprimand them.

The 'white powder' dilemma: Why the NRL has no business sticking its nose in

Not really, they are equal in the one stat of metres gained. But the second run would have additional statistical information of tackle breaks, post contact metres etc that the first would not.
I think Nat says it well, stats are not the whole story but they can be used to verify a statement.

Take your stats and shove ’em: Why I rate Benji the greatest player of his era

probably not much, a fine and a couple games suspension. I think the fact that they havent been caught by the NRL, ASADA or police means not much can be done. Just looked up what happened to Bromwich, Storm stood him down for 2 games and he was made to give his 20K NZ match payment to charity.

'The players involved have fully cooperated': Storm trio meet with NRL Integrity Unit

Would Lewis have made first grade under another coach. Possibly, there are plenty of similar stories in the league to Lewis. Would he have consistently cracked it in first grade under another coach. To me this question should instead be would he have consistently cracked it in first grade as part of a less talented team. No chance. Players seemingly regressing when leaving the Storm gets a lot of air time. However the explanation is quite simple. They are playing alongside less talented team mates. The only player from Melbourne that left for an equally talented team went on to win another 2 premierships.
Addo-Carr will regress, because he will be standing out on the wing of a lesser team. Hynes will regress playing behind an average forward pack and Finucane will regress because he will be one of the few quality forwards in his team (and also not sure he has many miles left in his body).
If you were to rank the overall talent (factoring in variables such as age and experience) of the playing roster for each club each year. I don’t think you’d find too many years where your talent ranking would be markedly different to how the ladder finished each year.

Producing excellence (Part 2): The role of the players

I agree that Sutton’s appointment suits the Panthers. I disagree that his appointment is some sort of pro Penrith agenda.

Sutton handed the whistle for fifth straight decider

Nofoaluma is, but why does it matter where they are developed?

Wests Tigers: Time for a knock-down rebuild

The leagues club as it is could not afford to come on ‘big time’. Perhaps in time it could but certainly no time soon. Even if the NRL were to fund the initial move, a team that ‘struggles early’ is not going to endear itself to the area. Quite simply no-one wants to follow a loser.
The playing roster is the biggest problem (i understand it is one of many problems). Any rebranding with the same roster will be a fail. I agree the Tigers need to do more to establish pathways, particularly in Macarthur but it will be for nothing if the club cant first find a way to be successful on the field. I also see no reason why the club cant maintain a strong connection to Macarthur whilst splitting games between Campbelltown and Leichardt (i agree with other comments that they should be the clubs only 2 home grounds).
Finally, the notion of local juniors progressing to play for their local club at a professional level for the most part is a fantasy for the fans. Whilst there is no doubt that having a strong junior base gives the club the best chance of signing quality young players, no club can hope to be successful off the back of local talent alone. Furthermore there is nothing incentivising those players to remain loyal to their local team. They quite rightly will look to the team that will be the best fit for them, their football and their post footballing careers. The two most successful clubs of the past decade having minimal junior development is evidence of no correlation between junior development and first grade success.

Wests Tigers: Time for a knock-down rebuild

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