Trent Barrett's one word answer that sums up the problem at NRL's biggest underachievers

By Mike Meehall Wood / Editor

If you were hanging around to the end of the Bulldogs’ press conference on Sunday night after their 32-12 defeat to Penrith Panthers, you’d have heard this exchange.

Me: “Trent, I was just looking it up there: Kyle touched the ball 21 times in that match. Wakeham averaged 29 and Averillo 33.

“The first time you got into good ball – I think it was off the 40/20 – Kyle stationed himself out on the right and then three times the ball went that way and then came back inside with a forward. It’s something that I’ve noticed happens quite a lot. Do you think potentially you struggle to get your halfbacks involved in good ball?”

Trent Barrett: “No”

First, a mea culpa: it’s a long question and could have been more concise. These things are hard when you’re working off notes and trying to blurt your words out live in a room full of people.

That said, it’s a legitimate thing to ask the coach of a team that currently props up the points-for column why his side aren’t scoring very often and why his halfbacks – whoever he picks – fail to get involved.

Trent Barrett can give any answer he likes and I personally have no problem if he doesn’t want to engage, or simply thinks that I’m wrong.

The point remains, however: depsite all the selection drama about the Bulldogs halfback, whoever it is that gets the number 7 jersey barely sees the football.

There’s a stat for this, of course. Possession measures the simple dynamics of who touches the football and how often, and for the Dogs, it makes terrible reading.

The Dogs average 45.1 possessions per game for their halfback, which is the one of the worst. Of regular halfbacks, only three have had fewer.

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Those three Brad Schneider, Jahrome Hughes and Adam Clune: the first two of whom play non-traditional playmaking roles to help superstar 5/8s in Jack Wighton and Cameron Munster respectively and the third who plays in a unique double-pivot with Jake Clifford at the Knights.

Kyle Flanagan’s 23 possessions – the stattos at Fox Sports upgraded his numbers post-match, hence the discrepancy between my question and the numbers – is an outlier even within the context of the Dogs.

In his defence, on Sunday Canterbury only got a few good ball sets against the Panthers and nobody gives the footy to their smallest player until they’re in good ball. You would expect that to revert to the mean as the Dogs get more possession against worse teams.

But it’s still a shocking number: it’s lower than Matt Dufty, who had a horrendous night from fullback, and only three more than Josh Addo-Carr, who plays on the wing.

This isn’t a knock on Kyle Flanagan, by the way, because he can’t pass it to himself and what he did with the ball when he got it was good – eye-test only, better than the other two guys who played his position. He should keep his spot and probably should have had it since Round 1.

The halfback involvement issue is one that those numbers from Flanagan laid bare, but which has existed well before this week.

Brandon Wakeham got 32 on average in his two games and Jake Averillo has 35 from his two, though that is artificially low due to also having featured twice in the centres.

We’ve only had five rounds, so it’s possible to dig really deep into this. Round 1 away at the Cowboys, Averillo played halfback and got 48 possessions, which is quite bad – bottom 25% of the league average per game – despite an equal share of the ball. Chad Townsend, his opponent in the 7, got the ball 62 times.

Round 2 was better – 68 for Averillo – but off a huge 60/40 possession split in their favour. You’ll remember that they created next to nothing from that possession split, as I detailed extensively at the time.

Round 3 saw a new halfback, Brandon Wakeham, but the same issue: 41 possessions against Daly Cherry-Evan’s 63. Obviously comparing anyone to DCE is going to make them look uninvolved, because he touches the ball constantly for Manly, but still, 41 is bad.

Round 4, Wakeham again, same issue: 46 possessions when they had 53% of the ball (despite the heavy defeat) to Melbourne. Then, of course, Round 5 and Flanagan.

It’s worth cutting across the league for comparisons. Up the top of the halfbacks list are the names you might expect, the creator-in-chiefs for their team.

There’s DCE, Ben Hunt, Nicho Hynes and Shaun Johnson in the 60s, then Nathan Cleary, Toby Sexton and Chad Townsend in the high 50s.

There’s some correlation with how much a team has the ball in general, but it’s not total: Sexton and Townsend have far less net possession to work with, but get plenty more opportunities to impact the game.

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The Dragons, for example, got smashed in the possession count last week against Parramatta but threw the ball to Ben Hunt a massive 72 times. When the Tigers got battered by the Knights and had 42% possession, Luke Brooks still had 47 touches.

This isn’t because the Dogs are getting less ball. By whatever metric you want to use, they’re pretty much in the middle of the pack. The issue is that they don’t do anything with it.

The Bulldogs are 3rd in the league in one man hitups, suggesting that they really like running it straight, and last in line engagements and line breaks, which means that they really hate, well, engaging the line and breaking through it. These things happen if you never give your halfbacks the football.

The Dogs are second to the Bunnies in terms of tackles in the opposition 20, which confirms the theory that they are really good at getting into position but when they get there, they just try to crash over.

The incident that I mentioned in my question to Barrett bears this out. In the 25th minute, Matt Burton kicks a 40/20 to give the Dogs their first good ball set of the game.

They run a first play hit up – no issue, it’s play 1 – but on play 2, with Flanagan waiting out the back of shape … Jackson steps inside and takes another hit up.

Then there’s another hit up – again, Flanagan waiting for the ball out the back – and on play 4 he decided to involve himself, going to the left to stand as first receiver and move the ball to Burton.

Play 5 he again assumes the position to run some attack and Jeremy Marshall-King jinks against the line and leaves his halfback hanging. They run it to the left on the last and are easily tackled.

Six tackles within the opposition 20 is worth one touch for the halfback, who was three times shunned by forwards who decided against giving him the ball.

There was another similar set in the second half, where Flanagan touched the ball twice – nearly resulting in a try assist, as Joe Stimson was superbly tackled by Dylan Edwards – but again where he was shunned twice by forwards. In one of the good ball sets where Flanagan touched the ball three times in six tackles, the Dogs scored.

It’s obviously a bit silly to extrapolate individual sets and point fingers at them, but I’ve attended every Bulldogs game in Sydney this year and can tell you that it happens often enough to be an identifiable problem. The forwards often call audibles on the play and run it in before it ever reaches the halfback.

To me, two questions arise. The first concerns the many times in which a forward takes the ball into contact when they should either pass it along the line or simply get out of the way.

Are the forwards taking hit-ups in good ball because they lack confidence in their playmaker and thus decide, consciously or subconsciously, to back themselves over their halfback?

Or is it that the halfbacks lack the personality to tell senior players to get out of the road and let them do their jobs?

After all, forwards take hit-ups most of the time when they get it, and if you’re Luke Thompson and you get the ball in the line, you’re far more likely to truck it in than pretend you’re Joey Johns.

If it’s the first, that’s very bad and not an easy fix. If it’s the second, then Barrett could simply tell his halfbacks to back themselves and take over. With Flanagan, a pure organising 7, that might just happen anyway as he gains in confidence.

The second question comes down to an imbalance in the team that many have noticed. The five-eighth, Matt Burton, is stationed on the left touches the ball roughly 50% more often than the halfback, out on the right.

Further down the line is Averillo, now a centre, and then Addo-Carr, the superstar winger. If you have $1m worth of winger and five-eighth out on the left, plus a good running centre, that’s where the ball is likely to go.

It does make it very easy to defend against, however, and might be something that Flanagan can offer to the team going forward.

If they can increase his touches of the ball, it will almost certainly rebalance the attack away from the massive left-side dominance that we see at the moment.

Again, that requires a conscious effort on behalf of the coach to tell his team to play both sides of the field more, and likely requires him to inform them that the current playmaking set up is now set in stone.

If Flanagan is in for the foreseeable, it sends the message that he is to be trusted with the footy. It would also free up the left to get better ball as well as adding to the threat on the right.

But for that to happen, there has to be acknowledgment of the stylistic issues that the team have faced. Back your man. And give him the football.

The Crowd Says:

2023-09-23T11:00:45+00:00

Maddi Davis

Roar Rookie


Hang on, this country? Aren't you in Spain Kay?? Hahaha caught out mate

2022-04-13T09:59:57+00:00

JennyFromPenny

Guest


Your halves need to be leaders. Burton is not a leader. Neither is Flanagan. There's your problem, Baz.

2022-04-13T04:55:46+00:00

mach4

Roar Rookie


Wests - Peachey dropped, Hastings to 7 and Brooks to 5/8 - that's bound to make a difference

2022-04-12T21:46:41+00:00

Glory Bound

Roar Rookie


If Barrett isn't out he will only be Just-in. :silly:

2022-04-12T21:46:40+00:00

B&W

Roar Rookie


How can Barrett not see the problem in the attacking 20... We are into the second year of he's term and still the same problems as last year with Burton's game being shunted...Phil Gould must be shaking he's head as are all Doggies fans...

2022-04-12T19:29:40+00:00

Justin

Guest


There’s one thing that Barrett has now , that he didn’t have at Manly. Open sponsors cheque books , to buy more & more players. As they’ve already spent a motza buying players, they should be a lot better right now . No doubt that they’ll be even better next season with Mahoney & Kikua there. Especially Mahoney! Will they still spend a lot more for next season, on another halfback & fullback? Plus, for someone to do the Radley type job. When you have big independent sponsors, the salary cap seems to never end! So perhaps they will? I think Barrett will still be there next season. Let’s wait & see ?

2022-04-12T19:16:22+00:00

Paul

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When Burton was at Penrith. The Bulldogs wanted him at the Dogs as soon as he signed a contract with them. Penrith said that he’s not a chief play maker & then tried to convince him to stay & play centre. As Burton wanted to play 5/8th & no doubt was signed at the Bulldogs ( with extra hidden payments from the Dogs sponsors , as that happens all the time ) . He didn’t re-sign for Penrith to stay as a centre. Yet he proved to be a very good centre last season. Now, he still needs a good halfback , to lead the team around the park. To just let Burton run & do some short kicks & things that he does well. The Bulldogs don’t have s great halfback.

2022-04-12T13:53:02+00:00

Panthers

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Oh well. Each to their own opinion. It was a compliment to the coaching at the Dogs. Bringing out some good play in him. That’s positive! I’ve seen him play some good football this season & the commentators had a positive opinion of a few of his games. As the Dogs have won one game in a 6-4 bludger of a game, so far. Things could only be worse if you were a West’s Tigers supporter. :laughing:

2022-04-12T12:03:19+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


He is capable of good footy, it’s just few and far between. He also makes a lot of errors. He’s had one good game this year and I don’t recall him being the Dogs best forward in any of them He dies with the ball too often, but if he’s not getting the ball doesn’t push through as a decoy, he crabs across field a lot, and isn’t great laterally in defence He’s still the player - you describe - who has the odd good game and plenty of crook ones. If Waddell is the “one thing” the Dogs have done well, things must be going worse than I thought… :laughing: I’d rather the Dogs have kept Chris Smith. Has a go 100% of the time he’s on the field. Doesn’t have the highlights reel but rarely let’s a team down

2022-04-12T10:53:08+00:00

Michael jeffrey

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So you load a question. 1. You compared Kyle getting less than Wakeham and Averillo. Thus creating perception on 1 game he got less ball. When fact is we had 6 attacking sets, 16 drop balls and less possession than we had all year. How you compare 21 touches on 40 percent with 33 touches for Jake with over 50 percent possession and periods of repeat sets on cowboys and broncos line when he was 7. 2. You mention Hughes and Clune who arguably play 2nd fiddle to Clifford and Munster. Did you not mention Burton in potentially the same way? With Burton doing majority of kicks thats also going to reduce the touches for the other half. Burton was also getting alot of attacking ball. 3. Instead of trying to prove yourself as an intellect with knowledge of the game, go look at most the teams and you see forwards consistently taking a heap of hit ups. 4. For Dogs to improve it takes only 1 more involvement from the 6 or 7 per set of 6. 5. You do understand that teams try to do different things at different times? A squad like canterbury with least experienced halves pairing in the comp are building foundations and still working out how to combine as a team. Its normal to try to make oppositions guess. 6. Have you also noticed Dogs run more decoys than most teams? Why is that? 7. Why would you first of all compare our halves based on one game for Kyle where team had 40 percent of ball and only 6 attacking sets? After that you transition to Dogs not using the halfback and ask a closed question after already providing the answer? 8. Questioning like this is like Dobbo from Triple M and Fox except he only does it to agree with coaches, not ambush them after a valiant loss when team had no possession. 9. What did you expect Barrett to say after 5 minutes. Yeah your right, my coaching sux and the players hog it from kyle more than our other players. 10. Back to other point, Burton, Jacko and TPJ command alot of the ball. Theres been 1 or 2 sets a game where they had 1 too many involvements. It will change as our young halves free each other. 11. JMK has improved greatly as a make shift hooker but he wouldnt be first choice at 13 or 14 of the 16 clubs. He trys hard but lacks consistent speed with the pass and lacks vision off his dummy runs as rarely sees the support players coming through. Reed Mahoney will involve the halves more and is better with eyes up footy. JMK will continue to evlove but hes not there yet. 12. Next time dont compare the halves with each other after 5 rounds when team possession was so varied. If you said, watching the side in attack this year it seems the forwards get 1 or 2 more possessions than the better teams. How do you see your halves getting more influence in attack?

2022-04-12T10:23:39+00:00

Brett Allen

Roar Rookie


He is a good ball player, but I think at the moment the Chooks are playing like, well, chooks, the headless kind. They seem frantic atm.

2022-04-12T10:18:08+00:00

Panthers

Guest


One thing that Barrett & the dogs have actually done well, is to improve Waddell this season. He was an up & coming star at Penrith. Played very well in NSW Cup & was captain of that grade. Yet when he was put into first grade at Penrith, he was quite ordinary. He had a couple of fairly good games for Manly in first grade, plus many ordinary ones . Especially off the bench. Waddell has actually improved his first grade performances at the Bulldogs this season. In a couple of games, was the best forward for them. As a Panthers supporter, I’ve been surprised by this. If the dogs get rid of him after this season or next season. I could see him back at Penrith. As Penrith often give their juniors , former players another chance. Just like Robert Jennings, Chris Smith , Cristian Crichton etc,

2022-04-12T06:35:52+00:00

dogs

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Nice article I'm a fan of this kind of analysis. Stats never tell a story, but they definitely build a rich context for one. As others have said, I can understand Barret brushing the question. Not just the open/closed thing, but more from a tone point of view. As a very disappointed fan atthe time, the question had a bit of a "why are you so sh#t" feel to it. Needed a bit more "how can you get your halves and right side more into the game". Would probably still have got a generic "we're working to improve each week" answer. But I imagine its going to take a little honey to lure the coaches out of their defensive cliche-shell. Great that you're bringing footy questions to press conferences (I so hate the contract questions - they're dodgey at the best of times, and inappropriate straight after a game).

2022-04-12T06:34:04+00:00

Simon SS

Roar Rookie


I thought the question was really good and to the point. Barrett not understanding or answering is further evidence he doesn't understand enough to be a coach

2022-04-12T05:55:19+00:00

Muzz

Guest


The Bulldogs attack in the red zone is basic. Their plays are so predictable and easy to defend. It could be a lack of confidence.They're keeping it simple which is not working.

2022-04-12T05:15:34+00:00

Albo

Roar Rookie


I think the Chooks are battling with their 6,7,13 combo and Teddy seems to missing out altogether at present. Timing is all out , and I wonder if Radley is really the best person for the "Yeo-type" role ?

2022-04-12T05:08:52+00:00

Adam

Roar Guru


And there are a couple now that are also more than just a bunch of metre eaters. But if we can't have centres playing together we might at least have some forwards playing centre-like

2022-04-12T05:08:30+00:00

Brett Allen

Roar Rookie


It’s an interesting point you make Albo. The Storm, Panthers & Sharks are the three teams that seem to have the balance of their playmakers perfect at this stage. The Eels still on occasion grapple with Gutho’s role. Personally I think he’s at his best pushing up the middle as opposed to playing on the sweep. Moses, D.Brown & Mahoney fit like hand in glove. The Chooks have I think the same issue as the Eels re Teddy. They don’t really have a halfback either, although Sam Walker may become that guy. Souths are simply waiting on the development of Ilias. Manly have got it figured out except Croker isn’t a genuine 9. Of the rest, only really the Titans can truly say they’ve got their spine figured out.

2022-04-12T04:56:51+00:00

Brett Allen

Roar Rookie


I honestly don’t think Baz understood the question himself.

2022-04-12T04:54:44+00:00

Brett Allen

Roar Rookie


If you go back to the 70’s & 80’s footage you’ll see that it was. Beetson, Bob O’Reilly, Steve Roach just to name 3 were exquisite ball players. It wasn’t until the 10m rule that forwards became pure metre eaters.

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