NZ View: 'Stinker', 'what on earth is happening?' - All Blacks slammed for latest 'horror show,' brand value 'tumbling'

By The Roar / Editor

Here we go again. The uneasy truce between New Zealand’s rugby fans and their head coach Ian Foster was exposed in its first test on Saturday when Michael Cheika’s Argentina continued the All Blacks’ annus horribilis with a historic win in Christchurch.

Mark Robinson, the NZR CEO who dithered then delivered the news that Foster was staying on, wasn’t in the stands to see the latest debacle. He was, at least, enjoying a New Zealand victory over in Adelaide, where he was on hand to watch the Black Ferns win over the Wallaroos.

Foster wasn’t happing with the officiating of the breakdown or his team’s ill-discipline to squander 67 percent territory and 60 percent possession

“Congratulations to Argentina, I thought they kept true to how they wanted to play and really frustrated us,” he said.
“We didn’t get what we wanted at the breakdown, we had large periods of dominance at our set piece and then that didn’t go well at the end.

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“But overall I just felt that they got away with some stuff at the breakdown, and we weren’t able to deal with it.”

The All Blacks scored two tries to one but only scored three points in the second half as Argentina went ahead with their sole try and held firm.

“After that they grew an arm and a leg, and we probably got a little bit flustered,” Foster said.

“So we’ve got to look at our composure in those latter stages, particularly with the bench coming on, and we’ve just got to make sure we’re a little bit more ruthless at that breakdown. The ref was pretty harsh on entry, and we paid a price.”

“Surely everyone can agree there is something seriously wrong with the All Blacks: that the cosmetic surgery applied to the coaching team in recent weeks has not cured all the ills that beset the All Blacks,” wrote Gregor Paul in the New Zealand Herald.

Paul said “one result, it turns out, does not a summer make or indeed provide justification to have persevered with the All Blacks coaching regime and wider management team.

Ian Foster and Sam Cane. (Photo by Getty Images)

“There is still very much trouble at mill – the sort that doesn’t appear capable of being fixed without yet more changes being made to the leadership of the team.”

Paul said the NZR board opted for evolution over revolution when they opted to retain Foster and bolster his leadership with the promotion of Joe Schmidt.

“Perhaps they have to be thinking revolution now before it’s too late. The records can’t keep falling like this. A brand that was worth $3.5 billion at the start of the year must be tumbling in value and there needs to be an honest assessment that the hope that emerged in the wake of the All Blacks victory at Ellis Park, has shown itself to be false,” Paul wrote.

He said the performance in Christchurch showed “bits of the machine are working. There is power in the set-piece and bite in the defence.

“But the balance of bits working to broken is heavily weighted to the latter. The breakdown was carnage. Not in a physical sense, but in terms of discipline…

“They once again looked like a team plagued with self-doubt. They once again looked like a team who were uncertain about how to break free from a resilient defence or how to find ways to force the tempo up and to stop Argentina from being able to keep the contest a chug from one stoppage to the next: a glacial encounter that trudged from set-piece to set-piece.

“They were once again beaten – the story of 2022.”

Liam Napier, also in the NZ Herald, lamented the unwanted history of Argentina’s first ever win in NZ and second of all time.

“Just when it seemed Foster would savour some clear air, after receiving his bosses’ belated backing and promoting Joe Schmidt to assistant coach last week, more unwanted history reared its ugly head,” wrote Napier.

“This loss to the Pumas consigns the All Blacks to their first three successive home defeat run in history – after the two losses against Ireland in July. While the Pumas recorded their maiden victory over the All Blacks two years ago in Australia, they had never previously tasted success in New Zealand.

“In their first visit to Christchurch for six years the All Blacks were intent on delivering further improvements from their statement Ellis Park victory against the Springboks that ultimately saved Foster’s tenure.

“Instead on a typically cold winter’s night, in a scrappy contest dominated by Georgian referee Nika Amashukeli who produced several bizarre rulings, the All Blacks immediately came down to earth with a thud.”

Robert van Royen, writing in Stuff, said “the hounds aren’t going away anytime soon, not after yet another All Blacks stinker.

“Head coach Ian Foster, less than two weeks after receiving backing through next year’s World Cup, can expect to cop plenty more flak after his side’s historic 25-18 loss to Argentina in Christchurch on Saturday night.

“Indeed, a maiden loss to the Pumas on home soil made it evident the All Blacks’ win over the Springboks in Johannesburg a fortnight ago was not the start of a bright new dawn.”

Richard Knowler, also writing in Stuff, seemed unaware of Robinson’s absence when he wrote, “it would not be over egging things to say the high priests of NZ Rugby must have felt like they had stumbled into a horror show, and become the main characters, after what unfolded in front of their eyes.

“This, remember, was Argentina’s first-ever win on New Zealand soil. What a nightmare. So many questions will be asked, again, about whether Foster is the right man to be the coach of this team through to the World Cup.”

Knowler said Foster had enjoyed a respectful greeting in Christchurch, home of potential next man in charge Scott Robertson.

“Before the game he marched up the stairs towards his office by swapping pleasantries with the local punters,” he wrote.

“There was no heckling, no belligerent behaviour from the fans as they watched him edge his way towards the coach’s box with his assistants.

“Foster would have welcomed the respectful greeting. Because, remember, this was ‘Razor’ Robertson country, the man many believed should have replaced Foster as coach when NZ Rugby last week decided to review whether the incumbent should be retained.

“Instead Crusaders coach Robertson, having been once again overlooked for the job, was on holiday in Australia.

“This was Foster’s show.

Afterwards, though, everyone was left asking. What on earth is happening with the All Blacks? What happens now?”

The Crowd Says:

2022-09-26T02:41:02+00:00

Kent Dorfman

Roar Rookie


what - the world cups? 3 vs 2. the AB's beating the Wallabies is like an Aust AFL team beating an NZ AFL team cuz rugby's 4th in the football codes here (or we can use League as an example - how many cups have the NZ Kiwis got compared to Aust?) so what education you talkin bout bro'?

2022-09-26T02:32:48+00:00

Jibba Jabba

Roar Guru


Who has got all the Cups and won the Championship ?? Suggest youse go get youse some more education bro :)

2022-09-26T02:30:23+00:00

Jibba Jabba

Roar Guru


Well then one would expect you are smart enough not to make uneducated assumptions ..but apparently not :)

2022-08-29T16:39:00+00:00

ButThinkOfTheSnails

Roar Rookie


NZR got suckered into believing the success 2005-2015 was down to them - their systems, coaching continuity, etc, when in retrospect it was largely down to a bunch of exceptional players. In 2015 it was said anyone could coach the ABs and win, probably correctly. Unfortunately this has lead to a poor set up of the game in NZ, arrogance towards our partners and the sanzaar unions, and poor decision making by the board and NZR in general. Cumulating in the continuity appointment of Foster, because “continuity works”, apparently. Forgetting of course that correlation is not causation. So, now we have an NPC where sieve-like defence is the norm, and super rugby where every team seeks to play a variation on a standard theme and where forward power is largely absent because you don’t need it to win. Feeding into an ABs environment where winning is simply expected, but not earned. It’s not all Foster’s fault. Doesn’t mean he is a good coach though.

2022-08-29T09:37:36+00:00

yeah-nah

Roar Rookie


“Its just a pathetic comment” Wow. You seem like a good sort! Straight in for the beat-down. I’m sorry if my pathetic comment triggered you. I’ll refrain from deliberate use of exaggeration to portray my thoughts on how well I think the Coach and ABs are currently doing. They may have beaten #1 and #3 in the last 6 weeks or so, but they didn’t beat #9?

2022-08-29T08:54:15+00:00

Chivas

Roar Rookie


Well if ypu did know how to pronounce polynesian names, you might better know the vowel sounds and use ih instead of uh. A little education would go a long way for you i think. Take the pi$$ by all means. I waa just trying to help you get it right. And for a guy who purports to have a high IQ you seem to be dissembling into someone who is highly sensitive with an over-inflated sense of themselves. After all it was you who wanted to tell everyone how clever you are.. i just thought you might be interested, but wantonly ignorant it is. Anyway maybe you could callm down a bit. Its social media not life or death.

2022-08-29T07:33:13+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


Still waiting to hear why you thing Crusader players are better off with Marty Bourke for 4-5 months this year than staying with Razor for those extra 4-5 months. Even if Razor comes up with the perfect game plan he can't show his players until Dec or Jan.

2022-08-29T07:26:21+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


Only in the last few WC cycles. In 91 they can the closest to beating the WC champs losing by 1pt in the dying seconds. Rarely have not made it out of their group. Ireland need to do better at the WC. But unlike 20 years ago NH teams are actually winning big games v SH teams where as before they were not.

2022-08-29T07:22:43+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


It's simple maths. Top 30 players in each SR squad gives you 150 players had realistically are SR level (rest of the players hold tackle bags and if lucky get an appearance or two off the bench). 30 got to the ABs leaving 120 players. If we pretend no leave after SR and everyone is fit it leaves you with 8.5 players going to each of the 14 NPC teams. This means of the match day 23, 14.5 players (202 across 14 teams) are not good enough for SR so NPC is not good enough to produce ABs as is. It would be better to add 5-10 players into each SR squad and just play 22 rounds of SR which would be a higher standard. It's why NH players have about twice as many games played as NZ/Oz players when becoming internationals.

2022-08-29T07:16:34+00:00

Kent Dorfman

Roar Rookie


i don't give a rats about the AB's, or how to pronounce Polynesian names, sounds like u do

2022-08-29T07:14:29+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


In years past many former ABs would had spots in NPC teaching you get players tricks and the dark arts. Now those players are off teaching Japanese or French kids. Some just don't get that players who leave might have improved SR or NPC.

2022-08-29T07:09:38+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


SANZAAR chose to not pick SA refs. I guess you don't believe in individual brilliance.

2022-08-29T07:08:16+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


So you are saying that if the best players in NPC had a game v this AB they they would give them a run for their money. If players coming off the bench are struggling it is unlikely those not selected would do better. SA left one of the players of the URC season at home, not sure any of the stars of NZ weren't in the squad.

2022-08-29T07:02:16+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


NZ who people believe they can beat is alot different to one they don't.

2022-08-29T06:54:39+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


So NZ lost 3/4 v Ireland, 1/1 v France, 1/2 v SA and 1/1 v Argentina and the 1 win shows that the NZ system is better than all those teams whose players are in the URC, Prem, T14. You still haven't explained how the NZ system can lose all those players who 20 years ago would have been in the NPC but aren't now. If you took the 4 teams that made the Champs Cup last 4 and put them into the NPC would they win it easily.

2022-08-29T06:48:50+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


Ignore it all you like. If all the NZ players in Europe and Japan came home how many players that are currently SR squad players would make SR. If you took just the NH players you would be adding 2-3 top NPC teams. Would crusader players do better with Razor for 22 games a season or 14 with him and 9 with some other person who may not even be good enough to be a SR coach

2022-08-29T06:41:54+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


From last year to this year to daw the gap close between Oz and NZ teams with Brumbies alone getting more wins this year than all Oz teams last year. It is hard to say if Oz teams improved or NZ got worse but Oz teams seemed much better at the breakdown than the previous year.

2022-08-29T06:35:37+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


Were they bringing players back to SA then. Sharks were top in 2020 when it got cancelled at it was just the start of the investment. We will find out in the World Club Championship if SA teams are better than they use to be.

2022-08-29T06:32:44+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


Europe does only care about Europe just like SANZAAR only cares about itself. Difference is the development pathways. SANZAAR had no u20 competition or mens competition. Rarely played T2 nations outside WCs. Long before NZ and Oz were paid big bucks to go to the US and Japan the 6N sides were touring them. PIs get more games v 6Ns than SANZAAR teams. Simple truth is making SR the only club competition ruined the 3N development so players who couldnt get into SR had to go somewhere so they came to Europe for 2 years and then didn't go home. SA have no issues bringing back players now in URC and their T2 clubs are also going to play Irish teams.

2022-08-29T06:19:23+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


Yes and crusaders only scored 3 points.

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