Ready and willing: Japan’s patient Asia-Pacific ambition only needs trans-Tasman bickering to end

By Brett McKay / Expert

“And we know, frankly speaking, there are some conflicts between those two regions currently, but as we all belong to the same time zone, we have the mutual benefit.”

It really was the perfect example of respectful Japanese understatement.

Mr Hajime Shoji, the CEO of Japan Rugby League One, had just explained to me that while his competition’s ambitions to set up some kind of cross-border competition with Super Rugby Pacific sides were well known, they were of the impression that Rugby Australia and New Zealand share those same ambitions.

Over the course of half an hour last week, it became clear to me that as soon as “some conflicts” between the trans-Tasman rugby siblings can be resolved, Japanese rugby is ready, willing and able to bring an Asia-Pacific take on the European cup-style tournaments to our timezones.

They’re essentially just waiting for the phone call.

Mutual contacts had put me in touch with Mr Shoji, and he was joined on a Zoom call by JRLO chairman Mr Genichi Tamatsuka in an opportunity to push their cross-border aspirations into the Australian rugby space once again.

It was a topic I was intrigued by when first suggested to me and I’m no less intrigued having now had the conversation with two of the most influential names in Japanese professional rugby. And I wasn’t the first, because the first few seconds of research returned articles on Australian websites from less than six weeks ago.

Not only are Mr Tamatsuka and Mr Shoji happy to play the waiting game to achieve their cross-border goals, they’re also happy to discuss that patience and those ambitions as often as possible.

“We don’t know precisely the situation for the Super Rugby future and what kind of decisions people will make, however one thing that’s very obvious for us is that we need a cross-border type of competition to push up our quality of the league,” Tamatsuka told AAP last month in an interview that featured on the Australian ESPN rugby site, as well as stuff.co.nz over the ditch.

“We continuously discuss with the many unions, other foreign leagues, and we aggressively seek the opportunity.”

Curious as to just how aggressively this opportunity is being sought, Tamatsuka expanded on this for me.

“In terms of Asia, Japan Rugby League One is the only league,” he said.

“On the other hand, from an economy point of view, and from a population point of view, Asia is the growing centre for the global economy.

“So in that sense, we feel a big potential for League One not only in Japan, but also for the global market. So we are very positive and very interested in having the cross-border competition with the great Southern Hemisphere teams, and also European teams.”

Israel Folau runs during his first game in Japan’s League One. (Photo by Buddhika Weerasinghe/Getty Images)

Shoji took this a little further, breaking the cross-border opportunity down into three main avenues: Japanese rugby fans love international matches and competition for one; cross-border competition drives JRLO clubs and players to higher standards for another; and the final one being arguably the biggest of all.

The same corporations that drove the Top League and continue to sponsor League One teams want to sell as many cars, mobile phones and household electronic goods in Australia and New Zealand as they can.

“That’s quite an important point of view,” he said.

“Partners or parent enterprises of League One teams, those are very prestigious or established Japanese corporations with global business, and for them, more fans in the global market to League One is of course desirable.

“They are also quite happy to increase their presence in New Zealand and Australia through rugby.”

As ever, that nagging little detail that is the global rugby calendar fast becomes a factor when trying to establish at what time of year this kind of competition could take place. Almost certainly, it would require a shortening of Super Rugby and League One may need one as well, if an earlier start isn’t feasible.

Timing is clearly a major point of discussion, as are competition format and broadcast options. But from a JRLO perspective, those discussions remain ongoing and just part of the journey to a resolution.

“After the League One finals, we may have the (northern) summer championship in Asia-Pacific and where maybe two or four teams from Japan will be participating as well as teams from Australia and New Zealand,” Shoji said.

“And of course, the broader participation from the Pacific Islands should be welcomed, however the challenge is of course the calendar. We should put everything in the summer, a limited time, maybe end of May or June, given the calendar of the international teams.

“So therefore, how to realise the balance, or how to realise the good calendar to find room for the league games and international games, that should be the point of the discussions.”

This mirrored my own thoughts from back at the end of May, where I suggested that May-June period before the July Tests was the window that made the most sense.

Tamatsuka has been enthused by the quality in the initial seasons of League One, relative to where the Top League was. The ability for teams to nominate which division they first entered has seen teams find their level, generally speaking, while promotion and relegation remains an important component through the three divisions.

“We have to clarify a little bit, for each division, the purpose,” he said. “Maybe for Division 1, should be really aiming up for global competition, to compete against the top teams in your country. So that should be the vision.

“Maybe Division 2 is slightly different. They should still be aiming for that, but maybe they are not yet capable. (The semi-professional) Division 3 is more a wide range of teams, and so on. So those things we are discussing.”

But he admits there might be a rethink needed around team names.

As League One was created, there was a desire to steer teams away from their corporate identities, in favour of names more reflective of their origins and regions.

The Panasonic Wild Knights became the Saitama Wild Knights and moved prefecture in the process. The NEC Green Rockets became the Green Rockets Tokatsu, while Yamaha Júbilo took a whole new identity, becoming the Shizuoka Blue Revs.

Daniel Heenan during his time at Panasonic Wild Knights. (Photo by Buddhika Weerasinghe/Getty Images)

The NTT Shining Arcs took rebranding further, becoming Shining Arcs Tokyo-Bay Urayasu for the first JRLO season, then changing again for this coming season to now be known as Urayasu D-Rocks.

“Some people are very used to Suntory Sungoliath, but they called themselves Tokyo SG,” Tamatsuka explained, before completely flooring me with what he said was a common source of confusion after the JRLO launch.

“The fans say, ‘Who the f**k is Tokyo SG?’” he laughed. I could only laugh with him, I didn’t see it coming.

“We need a little bit of adjustment, and maybe we don’t care if they use Canon or Suntory or so on. It’s clear then for the supporters.

“Many teams also are concentrated in the Tokyo area, everybody uses Tokyo, Tokyo, Tokyo… this is another confusion, so I think we need a bit of an adjustment.”

But whatever the teams have been called, or might be called in the future, Mr Shoji said he watches a lot of Super Rugby and is left with no doubt that JRLO teams are ready to compete.

“Yeah, we are watching a lot!” he said excitedly.

“But basically, sometimes the speed is definitely faster in Super Rugby, and on the other hand with scrums, in a unique Japanese way, might be not stronger, but definitely interesting. Different scrums in Japan.

“So therefore, more interaction between the two rugby regions should be enhancing the quality of rugby, or the excitement of rugby.

“That’s our impression after watching so many games of Super Rugby.”

And what about a timeframe for this ambition, I wondered?

Clearly there is much to talk about before an idea like this even gets to the stage of initial public announcement, let alone constructing things like formats and draws – not to mention the elephant in the room in the form of NZR and RA still trying to work out if they’re symbiotically connected or diametrically opposed.

It’s all well and good to talk to Australian and New Zealand writers, telling all and sundry that more Wallabies and All Blacks are wanted in the League One, but when might we see this idea of an Asia-Pacific championship?

“We don’t have a clear timeline, because this is depending on the situation of each market (in Australia in NZ),” Shoji said.

“However given our observations so far, maybe the timeline is waiting two or three years and in that I would like to see some sort of cross-border competition start in any format, even a smaller format.”

The timeframe might feel ambitious, but the desire for cross-border competition is certainly real, a sentiment echoed by NZR and RA in the past.

It feels like it will happen at some point, but perhaps the difficulty in saying that is how it progresses beyond that feeling, those shared desires, and a very clear Japanese ambition.

The Crowd Says:

2022-10-27T00:57:49+00:00

Dally M

Roar Rookie


Not at all. The wider you disperse the talent, the less cohesion and combinations you have. NZR have already said they had no desire to expand on the 5 SR teams, why would they then want to stretch that out to 14? And like i said it would only give them 2 tiers of rugby. Again, another thing they have said they wanted to keep was that 3rd tier because of the benefits it provides despite the fact it doesn't really generate a lot of money.

2022-10-27T00:07:10+00:00

Tim J

Roar Rookie


Yes I read that fiwiboy, it is now up to RA and NZRU to agree a deal.

2022-10-27T00:05:01+00:00

fiwiboy7042

Roar Rookie


Further point, Dally M. Those NZ SR players already are part of their NPC teams: for example, Aaron Smith (Highlanders) is a Manawatu man (North Island). You seem to have confused the NZ set-up with the Ozzie set-up. :happy:

2022-10-27T00:01:54+00:00

fiwiboy7042

Roar Rookie


Did you read the bit where the Japanese said they were waiting for a resolution to the TT dispute, Tim? The Japanese want access to both countries' teams. A deal has to be done first.

2022-10-26T23:33:10+00:00

Dally M

Roar Rookie


Amateur v Professional. Apples v Oranges The Wallabies went ok in the amateur era as well

2022-10-26T23:03:03+00:00

LuckyPhil

Roar Rookie


Robbo, by independent of the unions, I mean RA and NZRU, not the current SRP franchisees (although this may need to change). Overall, I would like to see more teams, not less. :rugby: In tier 1, their would be 6 SRP sides. At least two of these should be Aust sides, but whether they are a new franchise or not would leave it to the market to decide. For argument sake, lets say a Qld team and a NSW/ACT team. :rugby: In tier 2, my thought was if there are four Aust sides (and there could be more) it would allow WA, VIC, a second Qld team, and a second NSW/ACT team. Tier 1 would be the premier league equivalent, while tier 2 would be the current SRP equivalent.

2022-10-26T09:04:32+00:00

T Bradley

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thx Brett, great article. I had the impression the best bet to involve Japan would be adding them the rugby championship rather than a state/club/franchise style comp. It would bring in money from their viewership without getting bogged down in the Aus/NZ politics about who gets how many teams etc. Perhaps we can add Japan at both state and rugby championship level? What do you think?

2022-10-26T04:46:52+00:00

Reality Bites

Guest


This attempted team re-brand sounds a lot like the A League's attempts to unhook ethnic ties to football - see Sydney FC 58 for how well that is going. The companies still run rugby union in Japan. It is a rich company toy, without broad based popular support like football or most importantly baseball.

2022-10-26T03:18:03+00:00

fiwiboy7042

Roar Rookie


A large part of the AB success in the last 100 years up to the start of SR stemmed from NPC teams feeding into the ABs.

2022-10-26T02:13:39+00:00

fiwiboy7042

Roar Rookie


Not saying they were. Just wondering if they had heard. And NZ didn't define SR terms. This started off as a trinations tournament of which RSA was by far the biggest partner.

2022-10-26T01:49:21+00:00

Rebel334

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Who defines what SR is and how it works?? NZ on their terms This is also talking to a brick wall. Btw the MLR thing isn’t true, both teams participation was officially removed in forthcoming season overnight as there wasn’t any buyers for the license. I don’t understand how Japan was involved in this conversation.

2022-10-26T01:21:18+00:00

Muzzo

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It's been that way for decades James, as the private schools have virtually always had the say, & TBH it hasn't helped the game here in Australia, as even within management at the State Unions it has shown out, with many of the opinion the game is there for them. Sda really as I'll always remember back in Aotearoa, as a young fella, how we love, ' sticking it' to the private schools. We loved playing them, & virtually kicking butt! Lol

2022-10-26T01:03:05+00:00

fiwiboy7042

Roar Rookie


No, Rebel. That's not how partnerships work. That's not how SR works, either. Super Rugby IS NOT a place to develop players; refine maybe. Andy Marinos said this just before he joined RA. A heck of a lot of comments here by Aust fans seem to treat Super Rugby as a stand-alone third-tier competition. It is not. It is an elite competition and it should not run for the length of the season. Nor is it right for national unions (any one) to be responsible for the development of players in other countries. RA needs to sort itself out. And the Japanese will not want to fund Australian player development; I wonder if the Japanese have heard whispers that NZ Rugby is eyeing a stake in the MLR Los Angeles side? :rugby:

2022-10-26T00:50:19+00:00

G money

Roar Rookie


haha gold..

2022-10-25T23:00:06+00:00

Muzzo

Roar Rookie


Interesting Brett, & yes I've often thought how, much any Japanese team would go in both SR & the RC. Seeing how much the game has improved there, since the departure of the Sunwolves, from SR, we would benefit with their inclusion, in the game here. Finance would not be a problem, on their behalf, as they are more than financially secure. As we've seen, even with their national team, they are now far more competitive, & at least Australia, can say they have done something the AB's have never done!! Beaten by Japan. lol :laughing: But I had better not speak to soon, as the AB's now have a coach, that has the best record of first for an AB coach, ever, for all the wrong reasons.

2022-10-25T22:57:56+00:00

Billy Boy

Roar Rookie


No argument from me on any of that. The sad thing is RA have a blueprint from RL where the NRL is run independently of the state bodies and simply need to tweak that and there you have it. But it must be independent and must allow for player movement between all sides in the comp. I think SS still turns out good super rugby players I don't know enough about HC to comment. I did watch SF & GF of both competitions and I felt that the SS was a slightly higher standard.

2022-10-25T22:48:29+00:00

Rebel334

Roar Rookie


Because they are literally partners. They share an asset in SR.

2022-10-25T22:16:46+00:00

Dally M

Roar Rookie


Yes, but would NZR want to spread the talent from the 5 Super teams throughout the 14 NPC teams? A large part of the All Blacks success over the past 20+ years has been the 5 SR teams feeding into them. It would mean removing one tier of rugby and we have seen what having only 2 tiers has done for Oz rugby.

2022-10-25T22:12:27+00:00

fiwiboy7042

Roar Rookie


Make that "why should any national union care about player development in other countries"?

2022-10-25T22:10:54+00:00

fiwiboy7042

Roar Rookie


He may have been reacting to Frankly's post. :happy:

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