The winners and losers of the RWC 2023 draw - and why the All Blacks are really favourites

By Bliksem / Roar Rookie

While New Zealand and Ireland are the most likely sides to win the 2023 Rugby World Cup, a final between these two powerhouses is unlikely.

The most likely final will be between the Pool A members France and New Zealand (13.1%), followed by Pool B members, South Africa and Ireland (10.7%), and then South Africa and New Zealand (6.7%).

These results come from a “Monte Carlo” simulation developed for the RWC 2023. The model considers the historical outcomes from head-on-head encounters between teams, the relative ratings of the respective teams adjusted for recent form, and the impact of the draw.

Monte Carlo simulations are a powerful uncertainty modelling technique that calculates the chance of any particular outcome occurring instead of trying to consider every possible outcome in a complex system.

This technique was used in the development of the atomic bomb. I have tested the accuracy of the model with associated probabilities against actual outcomes from previous World Cups and recent Test matches. Although these probability assessments are subjective, they are based on solid evidence, good reasoning, and not a “gut feel” or what I would like to be true.

I found the model to be well-calibrated and will continue to refine the model as the year progresses.

Jerome Kaino of the All Blacks  (Photo by Phil Walter/Getty Images)

The rugby equivalent of an atomic bomb was dropped when World Rugby decided to base the draw on the January 2020 World Rugby rankings.

At that stage, South Africa, New Zealand, England, and Wales were the top-rated teams that “headed” each pool (called Band 1).

What World Rugby couldn’t foresee was the dramatic rise of Ireland and France from position 5 and 7 respectively to the top of the table and the implosion of England and Wales to position 6 and 9 respectively. Considering today’s ratings, the top five teams (Ireland, France, New Zealand, South Africa, and Scotland) are on the same side of the tournament destined to eliminate each other.

The teams that manage to win Quarterfinal 2 and Quarterfinal 4 between Pool A and Pool B on the second weekend of October are considered very likely to progress to the final on the 28th of October.

The host, France, is considered by many as the favourite – this is not supported by the model. Unfortunately, we humans, have not evolved an intuitive ability to accurately assess probabilities for uncertain and complex systems such as the Rugby World Cup tournament.

Research shows that we are very bad at judging odds, suffering from a long list of irrational biases and heuristics. Any uncertain and complex system also produces non-intuitive outcomes that models can help us to clarify. The RWC 2023 model does not disappoint…

I have calculated the odds of each team progressing to the knock-out finals, the final, and the odds of winning the tournament. A table will be the best way to communicate this work, however as the format doesn’t allow me to include a table, I will list a few insights:

New Zealand (28.7%) and Ireland (23.6%) have the highest probability to win the tournament, followed by France (14.8%) and then South Africa (13.2%).

Although England (10%) and Australia (6%) suffered from poor recent form, they have the benefit of a draw that allows them to avoid at least two of the top five teams on their way to the final. They are however less likely to win the final against one of the top four battle-hardened teams.

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The biggest loser of the draw is Scotland: Although Scotland is ranked 5th today, they are grouped in Pool B with Ireland and South Africa.

Even if they survive the “Pool of Death”, they will need to beat either France or New Zealand in the Quarterfinals. As Scotland has a poor head-on-head track record against the top four teams, the model calculates only a remote probability that Scotland progress past the quarterfinals.

The biggest winners are England, Australia and Wales. Despite their poor recent form, England and Australia still have a one-in-five chance to reach the final. It will be critical for these teams to end up on top of their pool as England is 7.5 times more likely to make the final if they win Pool D and Australia is 2.5 times more likely to make the final by winning Pool C. It will be less likely to reach the final if they are the Runner-Up.

What is far less intuitive, is that it doesn’t matter if New Zealand or France top Pool A as their path to the final are very likely to be similar. The best outcome for both Ireland and South Africa is if Ireland tops Pool B and South Africa ends up second.

There is potential for the top four teams to play the percentages and “game the system” or to rest players during the pool stages in preparation for the “make-or-break quarterfinals”. This is surely not what World Rugby wants to see in their flagship tournament.

In the next article, I will review what World Rugby can do to improve the integrity of the tournament and increase the odds that the best teams will meet in the final. They can consider changing the composition of the pools or the structure of the quarterfinals (more doable) or whatever options you think I should consider.

(Photo by David Rogers/Getty Images)

The Crowd Says:

2023-05-19T23:44:57+00:00

Fox

Roar Guru


Yes true enough Muzzo thgough you know I don't agree on Reiko but that's fine - we don't have to - we all have differnt opinions and nothing wrong with that. I think selecting the AB's in some positionswill mean some great players in great form will miss out more than ever this time round. I don't care all that much who gets picked to be honest - I think we all get a bit too caught up in all that at times. Every player that is picked will be a very good player just we all differ on which very good player is the right choice. I'll just back the team and all the players and hope they play out of their skins at the WC. The Rugby Championship will be a typical meaningless pre WC affair with players being rested and tested by all teams so I the result won't have much meaning come WC time. But god forbid we lose the Bledisloe now Ediie is on board with the Wallabies. I think he will want to prove himself and won't play too many selection games and testing against the AB's however. But there will be the usual bitching on this site when the Wallabies and AB's are picked I am sure but it won't change a thing at the end of the day. Just support the team and get on with it as far as I am concerned this time round.

2023-05-18T04:14:29+00:00

Muzzo

Roar Rookie


Also in all of the RWC's history, France have never won a RWC. TBH, there's only one NH nation to do so, & they didit in the SH. Engerland

2023-05-17T22:50:46+00:00

Ankle-tapped Waterboy

Roar Rookie


So the story here is like so many semifinals and finals - the team got through to the finals having beaten the champion team , but in doing so had little in their tank left for the Final and the crown. France in the Final were a shadow of the team that beat the All Blacks.

2023-05-17T21:17:27+00:00

Bluffboy

Roar Rookie


It will be tough for them as they will have to play either New Zealand or France, QF. But I personally would not bet against them. They are absolutely a team that can beat anyone on their day. :thumbup:

AUTHOR

2023-05-17T14:13:10+00:00

Bliksem

Roar Rookie


Fiji should have beaten the Wallabies in the 2019 as well. They are excellent at times but also inconsistent….just like the Drua.

2023-05-17T14:01:59+00:00

Ulrich

Roar Rookie


The last time they met in France, Fiji progressed and Wales was knocked out.

AUTHOR

2023-05-17T13:36:11+00:00

Bliksem

Roar Rookie


In my third article I will try to be more direct and critical of World Rugby. There is a lot that they can do to fix this and the rugby public deserves better.

AUTHOR

2023-05-17T13:16:08+00:00

Bliksem

Roar Rookie


Fiji will be much stronger than Drua when they add their internationals. Wales tend to struggle against PI teams but their players and game plan is well suited for an arm wrestle. Fiji has the potential to surprise but tend to loose close games in tournaments like the World Cup (and often don’t get the rub of the green).

2023-05-17T11:40:33+00:00

Muzzo

Roar Rookie


Yep Fox as we know he has those quality assistant coaches, but Foster still has the final say, as far as selections go. We saw over the last couple of seasons, where there were some quality players available, but were overlooked, & that along with playing some players out of position, as in Reiko & Will, & they weren't the only two.

2023-05-17T09:52:10+00:00

Ulrich

Roar Rookie


How different is the Fiji national team from the Fijian Drua? I ask because it's Wales' first game and they may be in for a surprise.

2023-05-17T07:56:09+00:00

Fox

Roar Guru


Yeah Muzzo I - like you - never thought he should have got the job - not that I have anything personal against him as he seems like decent enough bloke - and sure his record at the Chiefs is not crash but sometimes it aint the defeats you have against your name but winning the one that really counts. He has the talent at his disposal - no question - his coaching team is better than the early version and I back Ryan as the forwards coach and no one can deny the coaching ability of Irish Joe if he goes or even provides feedback by a link at home who knows but I have not yet completely written Foster and his team off at present Muzzo and if we do win it then I am prepared - as we all should be to aknowleadge that and give him credit - but we shall see.

2023-05-17T07:33:13+00:00

Ulrich

Roar Rookie


South Africa is due another QF exit. Been 12 years since our last one.

2023-05-17T07:27:07+00:00

Ulrich

Roar Rookie


The one thing that may count slightly against Ireland, is their last 3 pool fixtures. Tonga, South Africa, and Scotland, in that order. Then either France or NZ. Essentially 4 physical games in a row. If they then make the semis they will definitely have deserved it.

2023-05-17T03:59:31+00:00

Bluffboy

Roar Rookie


Yes Ankles, quietly I was was picking them as the AB's biggest threat. England obviously put a curly one on that though. Good on you for making a quid. :stoked:

AUTHOR

2023-05-17T01:38:38+00:00

Bliksem

Roar Rookie


Cannot disagree Harry. NZ may have lost the 2019 RWC when they beat the Boks in the pool match as it set-up a much tougher path for them to the finals. It was good game to loose. There are those that still argues that the real 2019 final was the SF between England and NZ. Bok supporters view this as absolute nonsense as the Boks won the final comprehensively against England. However a tough QF may tap so much energy that you may be off by a little off your game in the SF, that may be just enough for a Wales, Japan or Wallabies to sneak into the final. I just hope the final will be a competitive game and that we don’t see a one sided game. World Rugby needs to fix this draw, it will not decide the champion but it has a huge impact on deciding the finalists. With rugby ranking points doubled during the RWC, the lopsided draw will impact the relative standings long after the tournament.

2023-05-16T23:44:37+00:00

Colin Fenwick

Roar Rookie


I actually doubled up France & England in the 2007 quarter finals for a 100 to 1 payout. Pity I only put $20 on it.

2023-05-16T23:42:10+00:00

Colin Fenwick

Roar Rookie


And that should be 'choked' as it's hard to argue that the better teams didn't win on the day (even with France in their 2007 QF benefiting from an inexperienced ref). The only real choking, may have been the night before the 1995 final, but that's a story for another day.

2023-05-16T23:41:15+00:00

Malotru

Roar Rookie


I too enjoy a good stimulation Exile in Oz.

2023-05-16T23:06:48+00:00

Muzzo

Roar Rookie


Well Fox we all have an opinion on that, as mine is a bit different. I've seen what he's done & achieved during his time, even under Ted & Shag, then before that, when at the reigns of Waikato & then the Chiefs. IMO, he's the biggest underachiever in living memory of AB coaches. Just look at his overall record of firsts for all the wrong reasons, & both Ted & Shag should be ashamed of themselves by handing him a job for the boys, back then. Yeh I still support the AB's, but it's what we've got at the helm.

2023-05-16T21:01:32+00:00

Fox

Roar Guru


I think he might show he has some nous - and his sidekicks as well - I thought Razor should have got the job Muzzo but with all the pressure off I think he might show us why many - and there are many - x players think he is smart rugby brain. We shall see but he has my support as AB coach going into the WC with AB's. He is the coach for now so I will try to support him and the team for now.

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