How rugby's top ranked under 20 team has changed the game

By Brendan NH Fan / Roar Rookie

In 2011 New Zealand became the first team to win the World Rugby Under 20 Championship (also known as the Junior World Cup) and the Rugby World Cup.

It had capped off a four-year clean sweep of wins for the under 20s and establish New Zealand as the undisputed top dog of rugby pathways.

But today France seems to have taken this crown and it will be some effort to get it back.

In this article I want to go through how many under 20s are getting professional game time in the four leading leagues of Super Rugby Pacific, Premiership, United Rugby Championship (URC) and Top 14. How many under 20s are coming through, where on the field they are playing and why the beast that is French rugby is going to be hard to behead.

How big is the French beast?

Before we get into the numbers we need to look at how big the beast really is. We are all familiar with the Top 14, but what lies underneath it? The Pro D2, recent home of John Afoa, Elton Jantjies and Andrew Ready has 16 teams and is fully professional.

Below them is France’s newest professional league Championnat Fédéral Nationale, which was created in 2020. There are 14 clubs which are overseen by the French Union. It is in this league that the clubs prove their financial stability as a professional club. This is 44 clubs in total.

To put it into Australian terms, if you professionalised the Shute Shield and Hospital Cup you would still have fewer clubs than the French have. If the NPC and Heartland were professionalised it would also be smaller. There is no country close to them, especially after England’s recent troubles with professionalism.

We can break down the number more by looking at regions in France. Nouvelle-Aquitaine (6 million), Occitanie (6 million) and Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes (8 million) are the three areas that power French rugby. In the three divisions, Nouvelle-Aquitaine has 12 (5+4+3), Occitanie 12 (4+4+4), Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes 9 (2+3+4). The rest of France have 11 (3+5+3) with the Union focusing on building up the other regions now that those three regions are developed.

I know France isn’t New Zealand or Australia, and Super Rugby can’t be the Top 14, but the Top 14 is much more like AFL and NRL. All three competitions are built around their power base of Melbourne (AFL), Sydney (NRL) and the south of France (Top 14). Because Super Rugby is not built around New South Wales (7 million), Queensland (4.5 million) and Auckland/Waikato area (1.8 million) a lot of the strength is lost.

(Photo by Jason McCawley/Getty Images)

With academies and schools becoming more important at producing professional players than amateur clubs, five academies in any of those three regions will provide more players to fill teams like the Highlanders and Rebels than their own academies are producing. This is why Occitanie, with fewer rugby fans and players than New Zealand, are able to produce so many players.

Casting a wide net – Antoine Dupont

At the height of Super Rugby players from the feeder pathways of NPC, Currie Cup and Australian clubs collected the best young players and prepared them to be Super Rugby ready. Shute Shield and Hospital Cup threw a wide net over the Australian heartlands to produce the winning teams of 1991 and 1999.

As they have been replaced by the Waratahs and Reds academies pathways, players must move or give up, and players in those competitions are not considered generally after a certain age. If Emmanuel Meafou had been playing for a Perth club he may have been picked up but in the hotbed of Sydney he was lost. In New Zealand if you want to be professional it’s a lot harder in certain areas due to supply and demand.

Antonie Dupont is the best example as to why the French system is now working. He is from Occitanie, where each of the cities with 40,000-plus people have a professional rugby team. New Zealand have 19 urban areas and New South Wales has seven urban areas with similar populations.

Dupont was with Auch (22,000) when they were in the Pro D2. After they were relegated he moved to Castres, making his debut for them at 17.

It was only when he was good enough did he get signed by Toulouse, who are the biggest city in Occitanie with nearly 500,000 people. If he had been born near Auckland or Sydney, would he have had the professional development to ultimately play for Toulouse and France?

PARIS, FRANCE – NOVEMBER 5: Antoine Dupont of France during the 2022 Autumn International test match between France and Australia at Stade de France on November 5, 2022 in Saint-Denis near Paris, France. (Photo by Jean Catuffe/Getty Images)

Because there are now 12 clubs in Occitanie looking for the next Dupont, each year the 12 best scrumhalves are being brought into professional setups.

Developing lower level players – Emilien Gailleton

Both Meafou and Uini Atonio have gone on to be considered Test standard. After just one year in France, Meafou would have been picked up by any Super Rugby side, while Atonio would at least have been an NPC player. Both were deemed not good enough before they moved to France. The only difference is they had been in a professional environment for one year.

La Rochelle developed Atonio as a Pro D2 player who became a Top 14 player when they were promoted to that division. Promoted teams keep a large chunk of their squad, with some weaker players being replaced by Top 14-standard players. Relegated teams do the opposite, where they keep most of their squad, losing their better players.

Pau have let Piperol (20) move to Montauban in the Pro D2 and Larre (18) move to Dax in the National. Both players will get more game time at a level better suited to them. Neither have played in the Top 14 or were likely to, so moves to lower clubs is better for everyone currently. These players will not be going semi-professional or amateur but will be fully professional.

Seventeen-year-old Brau-Boirie is heading the other way from Tarbes (National) to Pau.

Emilien Gailleton is a great example of this. At 18 he started off with Agen (30,000) in the Pro D2, racking up 1036 minutes across 15 games. He was then signed by Pau last summer playing in the Top 14. He finished top try-scorer in the Top 14 at 19 years of age.

There was no bedding in period or getting use to professionalism, as he had been a professional the previous year. He is now in the French training squad, having outgrown the u20s.

In New Zealand he would have had to shine in the club system before getting picked up in the NPC. Once in the NPC he would have had to then hope he got picked up by a Super Rugby team, or it would have been a year lost as he tried to repeat the process. It wasn’t until Round 7 that he played his first game for Agen in the Pro D2, but with 30 rounds he had plenty time to shine that year.

By having 16 professional teams below the top tier, the Top 14 clubs don’t need to get players in shape to play professional rugby. For a lot of players in Australia it’s hard to go from Shute Shield, competing against amateurs, to shining in training against hardened professionals.

NPC has the same issues but with the extra challenge that you must out perform existing professionals without the same strength and conditioning.

Playing numbers

These numbers will shock you as to how big they are. These do not include the Pro D2 or National which will be producing similar numbers of players, but at a lower quality. We can probably double the number to find the total number of under 20 who are playing professional rugby in France.

Top 14 v URC + Prem + SR

Clubs = 14 v 39
Front row = 11 v 1
Rest of Pack = 14 v 19
Backs = 26 v 28
Born in 2003 = 29 v 40
Born in 2004 = 22 v 8

First we need to worry that France are playing more under 20s than the other three leagues combined. These leagues provide the other big nations their future players, meaning France is becoming like New Zealand of the 2000s at underage where they can pick players that seem like men playing a boys game. If France are leaving more professional players at home for the under 20s than other countries are bringing, it’s not going to get better.

We see the big jump in players from 18 to 19 in the other leagues but in France it is a lot more even,with about 50 per cent more 19-years-olds playing in France compared to the rest of the leagues. This then has a knock-on effect for development.

Auradou, a lock for France who you can see in South Africa, has already got 660 minutes playing for Pau in the Top 14. There is unlikely to be any other lock that will come close to him at the under 20s in terms of experience. Next year he will be packing down next to Whitelock.

We see also why Georgia is so much better now than 10 years ago, as three of the 11 front rowers are Georgian. This is why they held up so well against England and South Africa. The other eight are all French but they can’t take them all to the under 20s. This does not include the front rowers at Toulouse who must get past two complete international front rows to start.

France also played more players in the pack than they did in the backs, while the rest of the leagues were 20:28. A system that can produce teenagers to a level that they can play in the most physical league in the world shows how far strength and conditioning has come in France. On the other hand other nations are only doing as well as they did 15 years ago.

Conclusion

If you know kids who want to be professional players tell them to learn French as they may need it one day. Any player under 23 who thinks they can make it as a professional player but hasn’t been picked up, should book a holiday to France and see if they can train with one of the 44 clubs. If they stay at home their chances are slim, if they go to France and are Shute Shield level they could probably get a National club to take a look.

This may sound like a European fan showing off how great it is, but the simple fact is my country is going to face the same challenges as all the countries in the world that are not France. They are taking kids from all over the world who they think will be the next Atonio or Meafou.

You are nearly three times more likely to play in France as a teenager than you are anywhere else. It may be why Miles Amatosero was 18 years, six months and two weeks making his Top 14 debut. I would be shocked if any professional lock from Australia has been younger. Auradou was 18 years, four months and three weeks but more on that in the next one.

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2023-07-05T15:56:57+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

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It all comes down to splitting the professional and semi-professional. Its fine to keep the NPC but what purpose does it serve. RA want an NRC because they think its the only way to help players step up but RA can't afford to run a loss making NRC like NZR can. My next article goes over why the longer season is important.

2023-07-04T08:24:48+00:00

Faith

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What a briliant piece. Tx to you and Highlander and Harry this site is retaining some relevance by using facts rather than opinions for pieces ...

2023-07-04T01:28:17+00:00

LuckyPhil

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BA, I love your parochialism, but Brendan is talking about the future and you are focussing on the past. The past silverware will mean nothing if the AB's don't win the RWC. Sure Brendan may not know the minute detail of the workings of NZ rugby, but often it is an outsider that can spot things that those on the inside can't.

2023-07-04T01:16:22+00:00

LuckyPhil

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Great article Brendan. Comparing France to Ireland shows that there are more than one way to do things, but the common theme underpinning both are the pathways. If RA and NZR were serious about creating a similar structure here, it could be done, but at the moment they seem to have competing priorities. Something will have to give.

2023-07-03T10:24:46+00:00

BeginAgain

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The NPC coaching staff are NPC specific as are club coaches as are SR coaches.. they are largely independent of one another. The npc squads are around 38 players each. If you look at the make-up of the npc squad, you will see a number of players from other SR teams and where they actually herald from and who they play for outside SR season. Like Jack Goodhue plays for the Crusaders SR and Northland NPC

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2023-07-03T10:04:47+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

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just for research on my article. How big are the NPC sqauds. Do the NPC caching staff and S&C etc coach at any of the club teams or do they just focus on NPC and travel around the clubs March - June looking at who to pick.

2023-07-03T09:56:47+00:00

BeginAgain

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That I agree wholeheartedly with. SR was unable to provide the tribalism and forced adversaries to be on the same side... rivalries which have been around in many cases for over 100 years..

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2023-07-03T09:54:08+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

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Look at the 2022 NPC, how many of the top teams are within 3 hours of Auckland. NZR are spending about $25m on the NPC and NPC teams are having to pay players and coaches for a small window of games. But I will talk about this more.

2023-07-03T09:51:24+00:00

BeginAgain

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A load of third world countries? Is that how it works? New Zealand is a proud pacific island nation and sees itself as part of that community.. I am sure France can open their doors to other countries, but it chooses not to. The other pacific island countries are given easy access and entry to New Zealand as part of that community. You think proximity to Japan would change that, because Japan has an open door policy to their neighbours like NZ? You are being funny right? Also many of the players of pacific island heritage are second generation. Should France be dissected into what there cultural background is or does this just apply to NZ. NZ is a young country and as such 80 percent of the country came from somewhere else. Most europeans of rugby playing age wouldn’t be more than 5th generation. A T1 with no other nation coming close… how many world cups?

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2023-07-03T09:50:36+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

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But France didn't demand that their 13 administrative regions each get a Top 14 team and Pro D2 team. As shown 3 regions get well over 75% of the teams and the two biggest regions have over half the teams. Its not about how far Northland is from Southland it was about who are the top 16 teams to go into division 1 and who are the next best 16 teams to go into D2. Northland were one of the top NPC teams in the early 90s as were Auckland yet NZR put the two of them into one regions forming the Super Region of the Blues that don't need to develop players and can discard players alot more due to player numbers. By contrast in the early 90s Saders were nowhere near as good but their two regions are now the best because they have had to improve their player pathway to catch up to 90s Auckland. Imagine (and its not hard that NH, Auckland and Counties each had to provide for their own rugby team rather than the Blues just taking the best players and not caring about the rest. If the 5 teams had been based on performance who would the 5 SR teams have been. Not focusing professional rugby in NZ half the NPC teams that are very close together was madness esp when they were better often aswell. As I said in the article is it by accident that the T14 did the same model as AFL and NRL and are getting the same results. Name one sport that followed the SR model of Regions regardless of support or financial viability and has not had the same results as SR, add in the ridiculous expectation that each region also be as good as each other didn't help.

2023-07-03T09:37:23+00:00

BeginAgain

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Australia is bigger than France by about 14 times I think... so in comparative terms France is quite small. Auckland to Dunedin is 1430 kms.. whangarei (Northland) to Invercargill (Southland) is over 1800kms, both which are NPC teams

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2023-07-03T09:29:19+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

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NPC becoming profession in my lifetime is slim to none now, as NZR will not allow any of them into SRP which is the issue. La Rochelle were on small money until they fit the T14 but the backers knew they could get there. No backer will get in if they don't have a way to get into SRP. Private backers were found for MP and a Hawaiian team that were less commercially viable than North Harbour, Counties or BOP. If NZR offered any of those three a SRP spot they would have backers in the morning and a fan base ready to go.

2023-07-03T09:19:27+00:00

BeginAgain

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The question you need to ask is where is the money coming from to throw large wads of cash at sports teams. NZ doesn’t have philanthropists throwing millions of dollars at sports teams. No sporting team is funded that way. Do some homework into various funding models and explain how this can work rather than just saying they did it, so NZ should too. I can assure you it won’t be happening in my lifetime and you are completely delusional if you think it is even a possibility. We are not running around in grass skirts down here without electricity.. you know that right? Have a read of articles over the last few days where people like Geoff, JD and others have dealt with this in some detail. As mentioned if you want ypur next article to have merit it has to address the fundamental differences… not just be simply the French did it, so everyone can… you have to appreciate what is different and why it has been possible. You seem to think we should sell our teams to billionaires? How many billionaires or very wealthy people does NZ have who want to buy a sports team do you think? Or do you think we should sell teams to overseas interests.. Do you know any that are interested? Do you think that is a model which would be palatable to NZers? I don’t have answers, but I wonder whether you have a grasp of the questions that need to be asked. I’ll come back to it, France should be a powerhouse of rugby but they aren’t. They are still stacking their teams with overseas based players, bought and paid for. New Zealand rugby is not propped up that way. Take it a step further how come the game isn’t professional in the Fiji and they don’t have a professional competition.

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2023-07-03T09:19:17+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

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So you want to see the French clubs only play with French players. So all the T2 players, Argentine and PI players should have to play domestic rugby at home. You do that and we have a 10 Team T1 with no other nation coming close. You take all the non nationals out of Japan and MLR and they drop massively. Its easy to say France should be like SR but if there is no France their is very few players getting professional ruby. France doesn't have loads of third world coutries on its doorstep so can't bring in families who kids are more likely to be better at rugby than the natives. If the PIs were closer to Japan then NZ would lose a sizeable number of their squad as would Oz while Japan would be a top 5 side.

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2023-07-03T09:13:30+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

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I do know that and if you look back over comments for years I have said that North Habour should have been one of the 5 original SRP teams as they were one of the top NPC teams at the time. Even as recently as 2005 NPC teams had budgets similar to T14 and Pro D2 teams. The difference is that England (like France) did what OZ and NZ did and said we are putting all or money into the top division and we will make it really hard for any other team to become professional so all the non top teams died. France have the deals they have because more fans engage in both the T14 and Pro D2 (30 teams) not just the 5 SRP teams. If North Harbour, Counties, Auckland, Northland, Waikato and Bay of Plenty do you think the rugby ecconomy of New Zealand might be bigger. If each team go 10k a week for 10 home games do you think there would be alot of travel to games between them. I understand the NZ setup, but I am not blinded by what it is now v what it was. If North Harbour was professionalized in the morning and kept the players they produced they would have an attendance and play base to rival any SR side, if they didn’t then NPC is not cared about as much as people make out. In the NH teams are professional with 5k attendance over 10-14 home games, is NZ different that it can’t do the same.

2023-07-03T08:52:24+00:00

BeginAgain

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I am not sure you can appreciate basic economics either. You need to start with who is willing to pay for a team in Auckland. And then appreciate that there are three NPC sides from Auckland. Your 1.4 million is greater Auckland, which includes Counties/Manukau and North Harbour both of which are NPC teams. If you want to comment on NZ rugby then at least know the current setup. Manukau is the largest polynesian city, something you and many others seem to be blissfully unaware of and is one of the reasons there are so many players of polynesian heritage in the AB's, not because we import them to bolster up our rugby teams.

2023-07-03T08:44:26+00:00

BeginAgain

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Not about where people are born. Tawera Kerr-Barlow was bought in as an established player who had played at the highest levels in NZ, not a teenager.. it is important that you actually appreciate the difference. The French sides are made up almost 1/3 of players they bought for the sole purpose of playing for the side... i think that is different than a young polynesian family coming to NZ with a couole of kids. And there are a lot more than 10 imports in France.. while you are at it, point out to me the imports in NZ bought to NZ solely to play rugby. If even these basic fundamentals are lost, then as Woodart says, what are you attempting to compare.

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2023-07-03T08:08:22+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

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so the 10 non born players in the NZ RC squad are fine but not NH players. All players ended up the the country they are in for economic reasons. I am sure the NZ system is doing great and you have nothing to worry about.

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2023-07-03T07:50:03+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

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So you feel that Auckland with 1.4m people that all know what rugby is can only support 1 professional team but Bayonne/Biarritz area with about 80k can support 2 teams. Or Sydney can only support 1 but Paris can support 2 top teams even though rugby is a much less popular support in Paris then Sydney.

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2023-07-03T07:45:22+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

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So their rival is two hours away while Chiefs and Blues is 1 hour. La Rochelle to Paris is 470km for their two games there. 420km to Toulouse, Toulon 886km, 460 to Clermont. France is big and 90% of the French team's fans are home fans. There are no Bordeaux people going to La Rochelle to support La Rochelle. Bordeaux also has a soccer club that hoovers up alot of fans in Bordeaux.

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