Uninspiring England showed exactly why the All Blacks won’t win the Rugby World Cup

Blind loyalty to Mounga and Jordan is making you look stupid Jimbo.

Blind loyalty to Dmac and BB just makes you look stupid Jacko

Sore about what? Maybe the Boks have been more attacking than I realised. Great. It has nothing to do with the general point.

Hmmmm let me see if I understand this correctly. The Boks scored 5 tries to 1 vs the AB’s at Twickenham, 2 to zip vs the Scots, 12 to zip vs Romania, and you reckon the Boks have based their game on maximising this system. Your logic is getting worse. Boks mostly use penalties to kick to the side and exert more pressure. You have it all wrong, maybe you are just sore!

I agree on Cane. I’m sure he’s a nice bloke but he’s not like the talismanic AB captains of old, he’s more like a Taine Randall and I think he’s lucky to make the 23 tbh.

I’m not an AB’s fan, just can’t stand this nonsense (and Wallabies manage to lose without excuses about penalties :unhappy:).. It’s clear as day. Three point kicks from anywhere on the field - eg outside the 22 - are disproportionate, distorting, time-wasting, unnecessary, and discourage attractive and positive play. There is nothing holy or necessary about 3 points for a penalty, just as there was nothing sacred about 3 points for a try 50 years ago, or 6 points for a penalty- that’s right, 6 - 130 years ago. No other serious ball sport gives away so many cheap, barely earned points way outside the “red zone” near the try line, goal line or goal. Half the time they are debatable, for minor infringements and don’t reflect any dominance. Fine, if they do reflect pressure or dominance, let the team awarded the penalty kick down into the 22 and seal the deal, with a try or even a field goal. At least a field goal requires some teamwork. Whereas penalty kicks are fetishised- the kicker gets a special tee - why? - the opposition must stand motionless and in silence. And 2 minutes are eaten up on the clock by the time of the restart. 13 minutes in all in the France game, though it gets up to 25 minutes wasted in most games. The Springboks have based their game on maximising this system so I can see why you’re having trouble processing.

Rugb’s ridiculous scoring system? Change sports mate, you are watching the wring one. So because it doesn’t suit the AB game plan, penalties value should be reduced. The logic is astounding! Astoundingly dumb though!

Possiba ly??? So its purely YOUR opinion then. RM is not winning games for NZ. NZ has another option. Foster just refuses to use that option. Losing the cup again with mounga at 10 again, is just stupid. Dmac was the best 10 in SR this season. That CLEARLY shows he has improved from his 2021 form where he was coming off a major injury. RM never earned the place to start with. If Dmac didn't have his injury he was the 15 and BB the 10.

Yes his kicking in the first half in particular was excellent, also a fantastic gather off his own garryowen. He and Mo’unga easily won the first half kicking duel. More mistakes in the second half with a couple of kicks, but not as bad as Mo’unga’s risky ones. But I’m not sure what you’re point is.

Those scrum penalties reflect nothing of the sort. It was one prop slipping down to his knee in one scrum before the ball had even been fed, little reflection on the rest of the forwards. Second penalty happened when NZ appeared to have scrum ascendancy. There was a third occasion in the second half when commentators couldn’t understand why Antonio wasn’t penalised. These are tossups half the time. And NZ forwards outplayed French until the replacements came on. Way more metres gained and broken tackles. More turnovers. Lineouts equal.

Hard to succeed when the coach has his favourite player go first receiver. Funny how successful RM is when he runs a team. Jacko BB's days are done, you can take his poster off your wall.

And you cant see past blaming everyone but RM. You will never see Mounga as the failure he is and the protected species he seems to be at 10. He has failed as the ABs 10 plain and simple. By what possible measure do you see him as a success? There is no measure that shows that. None. Its you who has major biases that dont allow you to see the game. ITS NOT WORKING!!!! But you want to keep doing it? That is so silly.

England lose because the team is still gelling (like the WBs and Wales), so mistakes and underdevelopment (especially in attack) have featured significantly. What will now be interesting is how far/well they can grow the undercooked areas of their game, whilst actually playing in a RWC. The basis will still be getting in the right parts of the field to execute (like Ireland and SA) - so yes, kicking focused.

Those technical scrum penalties reflect the fact that the All Blacks simply don't have the forwards to beat two of France, Ireland and South Africa (which they'll have to do to win the RWC), compounded by the fact that they don't have the strength in depth to cover the inevitable injuries a WC creates. As for England, I was just glad to see the pack and defence deliver for the first time in years, with George Ford showing the adaptability (something England have also failed to produce in years) to use this to win with 14 men.

Your review of the game seems to conveniently gloss over BB's role in the match. Which was significant. Maybe mention how he dominates possession at first receiver and his kicking especially in the final 20 minutes.

Especially when he has 15 on his back eh Jacko! Your anti RM bias keeps getting in the way of actually seeing the game.

Yes, its a great line and shows the differing philosophies perfectly.

Well how do you win with a average 10 running your game?