The Super Rugby reboot I need to hate the Reds again

By Ball Handling 101 / Roar Rookie

With each new generation of Australian Rugby leadership ushered in, the hope of rugby fans nation wide is momentarily ignited, before of course the inevitable reality of the dysfunctional system they’ve inherited set in, and good intentions are swept away in a wave of cultural and financial inertia.

The new centralisation model, and the commitment to the Super Rugby broadcast deals through to 2030, feels sadly like we’ve taken one step forward and two steps back. In doing so, Australia and New Zealand have handcuffed themselves to a regressing competition that grows increasingly irrelevant in World Rugby year on year.

Simultaneously, these proud rugby nations have forced themselves to sacrifice the health of and support for their respective domestic competitions; the crucial “third tier” which forms the foundation of a country’s player pool. Perhaps the best example might be South Africa’s Currie Cup, which dates back to 1891 and whose sides map to today’s professional franchises. Likewise, the Blues and Crusaders derive from Auckland and Canterbury; clubs that play in New Zealand’s third tier domestic competition, the NPC.

Meanwhile, Australia never developed a firmly entrenched national Tier 3 competition, with its state based club competitions such as the Shute Shield the Hospital Cup in NSW and QLD respectively historically being the source of the next generation of talent. The gap between the level of play of the state clubs and Super Rugby only grew as the professional era continued. Australia’s fleeting NRC competition, whilst helping develop many current stalwarts such as Tate McDermott and Rob Valetini, was ultimately not financially sustainable.

The fanbase’s disinterest with the increasingly uninspiring Super Rugby Pacific competition in its current format, evidenced by generally declining ratings and crowd attendances over the last decade, is palpable, and can be traced to several problems.

Firstly, the results have become predictable, due to the recent dominance of the New Zealand sides in particular. This has arisen due to the disproportionate allocation of Aussie and Kiwi players to their respective teams relative to the amount of players in these nations.

Reducing the number of Australian teams to better aggregate their smaller talent pool risks stifling the presence of the game in growth areas. Alternatively, increasing the number of New Zealand based teams would incur greater costs. Loosening national eligibility laws to allow All Blacks to play for Aussie Super Rugby sides, and vice versa, could better distribute playing talent. However, the selfish interests of both the Wallabies and All Blacks means that those in charge fail to recognise the potential of growing the size of the pie by increasing the quality of their product.

Secondly, the competition has begun to smell increasingly like a series of extended trials for the Wallabies and All Blacks squads, and as a result, lacks a compelling narrative. The quality imbalance between Australian and New Zealand side has contributed to this, as has the frequently changing conference system which over the years has led to uneven and unfair fixtures.

Will Skelton of Australia charges forward during The Rugby Championship & Bledisloe Cup match between the New Zealand All Blacks and the Australia Wallabies at Forsyth Barr Stadium on August 05, 2023 in Dunedin, New Zealand. (Photo by Joe Allison/Getty Images)

In a recent article, The Roar columnist Ben Pobjie stated that “Passionate, visceral, irrational trablism is vital for any competition to succeed”. He argues that one of the mandatory litmus tests for the presence of genuine tribalism is whether or not a fan is happy for teams other than their own to succeed. He points out that the days of Reds fans joyfully relishing in a thrashing inflicted upon the Tahs, their traditional enemies, by a dominant Kiwi side, or vice versa, are long gone.

So imbalanced has the relative strength of Australian and New Zealander teams grown in recent years that all fans, including Kiwi fans, tend to be pleased if a rival Aussie team defeats a stronger Kiwi opponent. These supporters have grown so fearful about the health of the game that such a result, even if it’s not directly beneficial to their own team, shows some signs of life in the seemingly dying competition and that its fixtures can still occasionally deliver an upset.

Also, an Australian specific factor contributing to problem is the lack of scalability of its state based franchises. The New South Wales Waratahs and QLD Reds respectively encompass the entirety of the nation’s two traditional Rugby States. Therefore, in order to expand the competition by adding more sides in these states, such as Western Sydney, North QLD or NSW or QLD Country based sides, messy borders would have to be reconfigured for the jurisdictions of the new subdivided franchises.

This problem will reappear when, if the competition is ever to expand further in the Rugby mad Pacific islands by instating Samoa or Tonga with teams of their own, the Moana Pasifika, which currently represents both nations, may have to be unceremoniously dismembered.

Ultimately, even strong Rugby fans are losing interest in the faltering competition, with the positive feedback loop of declining ratings and financial performance leading to player drain and the Trans Tasman talent gulf.

Thankfully, the thriving of the game around the world guarantees a minimum level of significance for the game in Australia, hedging against even the most negligent management of the game domestically, and so we can assume that the Wallabies will always exist.

However, the solution to strengthening rugby in Australia essentially mandates the formation of a more stable domestic competition. The competition should form a genuine connection with its fanbase who will support them through meaningful fixtures, and align pathways for the next generation to aspire to supporting and representing.

An idea thrown around involves the implementation of a multi – division competition structure with promotion and relegation. Unfortunately, this model is not financially viable in Australia currently, or in the near future. A unique challenge faced by Australia is its relatively low population density, which inflates overheads for travel expenses as the most appropriate home bases for Australian sports franchises; its biggest cities, are greatly geographically dispersed.

Furthermore, with the relatively low profile of Rugby in the country today, the game’s administrators are already feeling the squeeze with increasingly tight operating margins. As with any company, expansion or diversification via research and development, or expansion into new markets, must be supported by existing profitable products and divisions, with the goal for them to eventually become self sufficient.

Rugby and sports management and strategy guru Mark Evans, in his illuminating interview with Jim Hamilton on the Rugby Pod , analyses the drawbacks of the promotion and relegation system, contrasting the financial woes of the English Premiership’s London based clubs with the proliferating NRL competition.

Evans stresses the need for the entity of the League to be fundamentally financially viable; profitable, in order to be able to withstand the losses that will inevitably ensue upon expansion. Speaking in 2022, he refers to the NRL’s now recently introduced expansion side, the Dolphins, and how only the strength of the NRL itself produced the capital to invest in a new side.

Simultaneously, he critiques the irresponsible ‘spray and pray’ approach of Rugby’s English Premiership, bankrolled by wealthy benefactors whose goodwill sustains entire professional franchises. He points out that both “The Prem” and the United States’ Major League Soccer competitions began in 1996 with ten teams a piece, and yet in the years that followed, the Major League has grown to 32 teams, whilst The Prem remains at ten.

Evans highlights the need to grow the size of “the pie”, as opposed to individual clubs trying to increase the size of their respective slice; an old Business 101 adage that seems self explanatory yet is remarkably topical given the unprofessional management of some of the basket case Premiership clubs and, more recently, the Melbourne Rebels. Following on from this, Evans expresses strong support for a closed league, with the potential for expansion when viable, but without promotion or relegation, even in the far more population dense England.

The elimination of promotion and relegation means that the current configuration of Super Rugby is closer to its optimal form than it could be otherwise. Yet with its decline in quality, interest, relevance and value, there’s clearly room for improvement.

In spite of all of its downfalls, Super Rugby still is the arena providing the high standard of tier 2 rugby within which New Zealand and Australia harden their best players for the test match battlefield. A restructure should retain the benefits of a high standard of Rugby in the Pacific, that was once the envy of the rugby world, whilst addressing its flaws.

Climbing up the chain of causality, these flaws stem from a decline in viewership, due to the imbalanced competition, and lacklustre narrative and tribalism. A successful restructure could certainly balance the relative strength of the competition’s teams, recapture the missing tribalism and do so in a way that remains compatible with each nation’s domestic competitions.

The first step is to end Super Rugby. The optimal time to do this might not be today, but rather after the Lions series in 2025, or Australia’s home world cup in 2027. But I firmly believe that in its current shape, the competition is a square peg being forced into a round hole – financially, culturally and logistically, and that it’s a bandaid that needs to be ripped off.

Next, Australia and New Zealand are each to reinstate their respective domestic competitions. For the Kiwis, I’m of course talking about the NPC, which is to be unpacked from its truncated, compromised form, and restored as the vertebrae of Kiwi Rugby.

For Australia, this is a slightly more complicated matter, due to of course the absence of said domestic competition… But, “In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity” said Einstein once, and indeed the blank canvas presents an opportunity to design the optimal Australian domestic competition. One that provides the quality of rugby necessary to breed a Wallaby side capable of rescuing back the Bledisloe, whilst capturing the hearts of the Aussie public, and remaining scalable enough to grow in the future.

Enter: an eight team professional Australia wide rugby competition, because eight teams is the minimum number of teams for any self respecting professional sports league. And it’s going to have an immediate sense of burning tribalism, because it’s going to be comprised of Sydney and Brisbane’s top clubs.

Blindly imitating and idolising Rugby League is rightfully critiqued. But maturely recognising the areas in which, as the more prolific and culturally entrenched football code in Australia, it has excelled, in contrast to Rugby’s own shortcomings in Australia, is another. In decades gone by, the NSWRFL gradually morphed from essentially a Sydney based Rugby League competition into, by the 80s, a national one. Throughout this time, old clubs were not scrapped to accommodate the new scale of the expanded competition, but were retained. Despite losing a few along the way, many of today’s clubs including the Roosters, Tigers and Rabbitohs can trace their history back to foundational clubs from 1908, or several decades later in the case of the Dragons, Sea Eagles, Eels and more.

Rugby could similarly capitalise on the ready made, preexisting loyalties of its historically healthy “third tier” club rugby scene by elevating some of its clubs into the new Tier 2 professional franchises. As a New South Welshman myself, it’s hard to imagine a more venomous rivalry than that of the Easts ‘Beasties’ and the Western Sydney Two Blues. And whilst not as familiar with the geopolitical boundaries and loyalties of Brisbane, I imagine there’s an equally compelling equivalent between Brisbane’s Norths and Souths, or Easts and Wests.

As traditional Australian rugby strongholds home to the nation’s densest clusters of rugby followers, these clubs will deservedly represent a geographically disproportionate allocation of professional rugby franchises in the country. Crucially, this does not mean the competition cannot grow outside of these boundaries in the future, just as the origination of Rugby League in Sydney did not stop it penetrating other markets such as regional NSW and QLD, once, of course, its “pie” grows.

The allocation of the remaining four teams is arguably more contentious. I for one believe that in an ideal world, the ACT Brumbies, Australia’s greatest pro Rugby club, and the Western Force and Melbourne Rebels, should live on in our new domestic competition. Representing more atomic geographical areas, they fit neatly into the scale of the new competition and can build on their existing legacies and cultures.

This leaves an eighth team, for which there are definitely many viable candidates. Another expansion side in a new, rugby naive city such as Adelaide could be a step too far for the code, which dearly needs to reinforce its foundations. The fate of the Fijian Drua, who regularly draw the biggest round robin crowds in Super Rugby Pacific for their home fixtures, is a little up in the air due to this restructure, and I would happily settle for them making up the numbers. Newcastle – Maitland is the seventh most populus urban area in the country, which is why the impressive Hunter Wildfires would be the next candidate from clubland to be reborn as a professional franchise. Meanwhile, rugby generally enjoys a proud history as an important part of the cultural fabric of many areas of country New South Wales (and also Queensland). The Central West, untainted by an NRL club, could be a great candidate.

Measures will certainly be implemented to address the valid concern with compromising strong club competitions to prop up the lacklustre division above them. Firstly, the creation of professional franchises from existing clubs should not necessarily cease their involvement at their current level. If it does, and, for instance, the Two Blues continue to compete at the Shute Shield level whilst also being represented in the national competition, sufficient corporate structure and governance witchcraft will be conducted to ensure that the chosen clubs elevated are not privileged by this, and that the spoils will be divided evenly amongst all clubs.

Alternatively, if the clubs do withdraw from the Shute Shield and Hospital Cup respectively, they should remain adequately geographically represented by a neighbour, or replaced by an equivalent club from the division below. It’s extremely debatable whether or not the Beasties are adequately geographically represented by Randwick, or whether the Blacktown Scorpions slotting into the Shute Shield to replace the promoted Two Blues would really be as seamless or trivial as it sounds. For every obvious logistical or administrative reason as to why this is unrealistic, there are many more intangible and cultural reasons why this may never.

But without the establishment of a genuine domestic competition, the game in Australia will continue to struggle at all levels. And to reiterate, the evolution of local clubs into professional franchises offers the benefits of instant tribalism for existing fans, and has not only been done before, but has also been shown to cultivate great culture in the case of the NRL.

And finally, the Super Reboot will entail the launch of the Pacific Rugby Championship, the international club competition where the cream of the crop from not only Australia and New Zealand, but additionally Japan, and any Pacific Islands franchises that may be accommodated in the new structure, will face off. Mirroring the knockout structure of the European Championship, this competition will of course capture the stakes and intensity characteristic of Super Rugby, whilst capitalising on the enormous Japanese market.

The tournament provides the same benefits as the existing Super Rugby structure, whilst critically not impacting the healthy domestic competitions of Japan and, until recently, New Zealand, and, eventually, Australia. Both the domestic competitions of the respective nations, and this international Asia Pacific championship, do not necessarily have to be as long as their Northern hemisphere equivalents, and should be as long or short as required to accommodate the test rugby calendars.

This new proposed Australian domestic comp should provide more competitive fixtures than that of today’s Super Rugby. The reason to expect this result is because, accounting for its larger talent pool, New Zealand’s player base is appropriately spread amongst its fourteen NPC teams. Meanwhile, Australia’s relatively smaller talent pool are more tightly consolidated amongst its eight sides.

To supplement this, I firmly believe that the Australian and New Zealand administrations both need to be more open minded to cross border contracting possibilities, or, as they say where I’m from, grow the f–k up. With the best talent from both nations starting to dribble over to Japan and beyond in search of more lucrative contracts, I believe that both nations’ test squads would benefit by allowing their players to represent their country, if contracted with any franchise in Australia, New Zealand or Japan, potentially after a minimum period of service domestically such as four to six years. Whilst it’s reasonable that the cross pollination of playing and coaching talent across borders may overall be favourable for Australia, at least given the current weakness of the Wallabies, this will grow the entire pie and will be in everyone’s best interests.

Also, given the radical nature of this proposal, I believe that Trans Tasman contracting would be a simple, immediately actionable improvement that would improve the quality of Super and test rugby. The surplus Kiwi talent could be more usefully deployed in Australia to help balance squad depth, increasing the All Black selection pool as a result. Furthermore, for any Kiwi franchise willing to sacrifice enough pride to sign an Australian, that player would of course benefit from the exposure to the sacred Kiwi rugby IP.

So, at the end of the day, I’m just a life long Tahs fan who wants to hate the Reds again. But to be able to do so, we’ve got to grow the pie, or I won’t even have a team to support any longer, let alone one to hate. So let’s rip the bandaid off.

The Crowd Says:

2024-04-10T08:06:09+00:00

Kevin

Roar Rookie


If RA can get PE to support a project like this then maybe something akin to IPL or BBL could happen. The demographic of the team would not be as important. How about a squad of 35, with a minimum of 6 U23 Australian players. PI players and Non-capped, (Non-SR??) from other countries allowed.

2024-04-09T19:02:44+00:00

kingplaymaker

Roar Guru


Yes, that looks good-probably another Brisbane team possible.

2024-04-09T18:56:59+00:00

Kevin

Roar Rookie


Start with 3 Sydney teams (Central, West, South West) Central Coast and Newcastle Gold Coast, Brisbane, North Queensland Canberra Melbourne Adelaide Perth 12 teams in 2 groups of 6 regionalised 16 match season plus play offs.

2024-04-09T07:25:43+00:00

AdamB

Roar Rookie


As mentioned before, Any idea on how many club games a northern hemisphere international plays? That’s would be the insight

2024-04-09T07:24:47+00:00

AdamB

Roar Rookie


Yes again, not ideal but keeps a tradition to those clubs, also keeps within the populations. No offence to say country NSW or QLD but how much commercial hope does a team have?, also attracting players from nz to play for Australian clubs and still represent the all blacks. Manly and Bondi certainly seems nicer than Palmerston North or Invercargil for a young man. Not sure if country towns would have the same appeal. Reference. I grew up in country nsw.

2024-04-09T07:20:03+00:00

AdamB

Roar Rookie


I believe there should be one cross hemisphere window, one window for six nations and one for a southern hemisphere competition (rugby championship for now). I believe that rugby is getting further and further away from being a traditional autumn winter sport, this isn’t new. If the crossover window would be in say October/november it’s lovely (and yes I know potentially hot!) conditions to go the rugby in the southern hemisphere but also not a gnarly winter in Europe!. But it’s a whole new dreamworld kettle of fish talking about northern hemisphere clubs releasing players If world rugby can just please cap at 12 tests a year. Say the average player is now playing 32 games. An all black or wallaby would play 15 for their club, 5 for their super rugby team, 12 tests. Any idea on how many club games a French international plays for their top 14 team, or are they playing half the season, plus Heineken cup, and finals?

2024-04-09T03:53:19+00:00

Gary Russell-Sharam

Roar Rookie


The article is the best I have seen up to now of what I have been advocating for the past two years. I have put quite a few articles on this subject and BH 101 has described this in so much more detail. I would back this proposal and also say that if something like this is not instigated in the next couple of years rugby will die in Australia. I'm a Queenslander and a foundation Wests Bulldogs supporter, having coached, managed,played been a board Director etc for a long long time and have no doubt that Wests could put a side up coupled with PE and be one of the major sides from Queensland, I would suggest that Brothers, Wests, University either Souths or Easts could form the sides from Queensland verses similar from NSW, then the Brumbies and a side from Victoria then NSW and Qld Country sides. There you have a competition that people can support in a tribal fashion

2024-04-09T03:42:49+00:00

Footy Franks

Roar Rookie


It would make more sense to have 4 Sydney and 4 Brissy teams, less costs , less travel, more tribalism and that is where the players are. Then have 4 or 6 or 8 other teams

AUTHOR

2024-04-08T23:05:48+00:00

Ball Handling 101

Roar Rookie


All of your suggestions, however, would seem to imply a huge spike in physical player load

AUTHOR

2024-04-08T23:05:08+00:00

Ball Handling 101

Roar Rookie


Preserving the tradition of Super Rugby does feel nice, and in a perfect would be ideal - something along these lines

AUTHOR

2024-04-08T23:04:16+00:00

Ball Handling 101

Roar Rookie


Also, in your suggested Aussie NRC sides, it does feel like your proposed sides are over granular in some areas, and too broad in others. The Sydney, Norths, Easts and Northern Beaches I feel are all distinct geographical catchments obviously yet to me don't seem the wisest allocation of the first 8 or so franchises

AUTHOR

2024-04-08T23:02:48+00:00

Ball Handling 101

Roar Rookie


Part of me agrees with you about the futility of the mid year test series, however there is a certain charm to the test series as well, which is somewhat unique to and characteristic of rugby and feels intrinsically valuable somehow. Perhaps the spring tour and june test series should be consolidated into one cross hemisphere test series?

2024-04-08T06:54:10+00:00

AdamB

Roar Rookie


To me (an Australian living in NZ for 20 years) the problem is that people call for tribalism but people don’t like manufactured teams with no history and a silly nickname. I’m a very big advocate for this style of competition and have for many years bored my friends to death with how it would work. So here’s the skinny. Shute shield becomes the unofficial second grade (think nsw cup) Top tier Brumbies Force Rebels Two Brisbane clubs (maybe a merge of north of the river and south of the river of the current clubs) Gold Coast (bond university in disguise) Northern Suburbs Gordon Warringah Manly East’s Randwick Sydney (university in disguise) Harbour Parramatta Eastwood Southern Districts (including Illawarra and the shire) This looks contradictory to what I said above with the Brisbane teams, but what I gather is that the problem with the NRC is that the Sydney clubs don’t play ball, Brisbane had no problem making teams. So start a national comp with high expectations and give the Sydney clubs a feeling of importance. A Tooheys New Cup on steroids. Think mid 90s NRL. High expectations to be a professional club. Either they will, or better yet, for a lack of a better word they’ll “merge” and get over their hatred for one another whilst then also having the Shute shield to keep history. So once they do (and hopefully they do before a ball gets kicked) the competition could look as follows ACT Brumbies Perth Force Melbourne Rebels Northern Beaches (Manly, Warringah) North Sydney (Northern Suburbs, Gordon) Randwick-East Sydney (Randwick, East’s) Sydney (Uni, Harbour-Inner West) Parramatta-Ryde (Parramatta, Eastwood) To expand on this, let’s say NZ want to make their NPC number one again, 9 provinces (including the highlanders and the drua) North Auckland (north harbour, northland) Auckland Counties - Manukau (S Auckland) Waikato BOP Taranaki Wellington Tasman Canterbury Highlanders (Otago, Southland) Fijian Drua Manawatu, Hawkes Bay could join the heartland championship due to lack of population, etc etc Instead of waiting till the end of year. Make the Super Rugby Pacific played throughout the year like the UEFA or Heineken Cup. A group stage, followed by knock out that happens during the season. This gives the game time to non test players all year. Representative. There’s talks above of making NSW AND QLD mean something again. To hate Queensland. They need to be full of QLD players. But let’s not copy state of origin, and remember a whole generation of people have grown up watching Super Rugby. So let’s keep that history. Remove the boring July test window vs second string welsh teams etc. Have (during the domestic season, just like nrl) the real super rugby Through set criteria NSW Waratahs (players from nsw) QLD Reds (players from qld) Blues (players from northland to south Auckland) Chiefs (players from Waikato, BOP, Hawkes Bay and smaller unions in between) Hurricanes (players from Taranaki, Whanganui, Manawatu, Wellington and smaller unions) Crusaders (South Island) Highlanders weren’t included due to the small population and player production A round robin, 5 games each, mid season whilst the domestic games are still taking place. Think six nations intensity. Player drain problems? Let NZ players play for the Australia teams and vise versa, and if they want to represent NZ or Wallabies then they need to play rep footy that year. Apply the giteau law to 50 tests to both countries, on the condition that they still play “Super Rugby”. So the Riche Moungas of the world can play their rugby in Japan, have to play 5 games for the Crusaders to be considered for the All Blacks. The next up and coming wallaby can find game time at Tasman Makos, then play for QLD Reds before being selected for the Wallabies. That’s the quick rundown, and once that’s set you can include Japanese teams to compete in the Pacific Champs Australian Comp / NZ Comp Pacific Championships Representative Super Rugby All in a 30 week window to provide game time and develop talent.

2024-04-08T01:49:33+00:00

Jacko

Roar Rookie


Firstly thats impossible. NZR arnt going to do a comp that doesnt involve their All Blacks. NPC is not a tier 2 comp. SR is. There may be some sort of amalgation coming but it will 100% involve ABs. NZR can easily have 6 teams inc MP then Drua is currently contracted with NZR but that would need to be clarified. I cant see Drua wanting to go to a lesser comp than SR tho so I see them joining an NRC as being a backward step. Maybe a Fijian team in each is possible but Im not going to presume I know anything about Fijian finances to know if that possible or even if they would be interested. NZR is currently having talks with Arg RU and also Japan but its believed Japan arnt ready as yet to join. I have also heard NZR is currently having discussions with SARU around locking in long tours of each others nations and that having a SA team or two may be part of that. I cant help but feel that should RA go it alone RA would be locking themselves into a weak domestic comp as the surrounding neighbours thrived.

2024-04-08T00:32:19+00:00

AndyS

Roar Rookie


There'll be a domestic comp if and when their hands are forced by outside circumstance. I wouldn't rule that out, but would certainly agree it isn't something they are in any way likely to initiate. Which would actually be entirely in keeping...I'd absolutely expect no planning, even contingency planning. If it happened, it would happen in a rush, crisis management, poorly thought through, with no idea where it then leads or how to make it work. Until then though, yes, just a foot shot in waiting.

2024-04-08T00:19:19+00:00

Frankly

Roar Rookie


This is a situation. We are discussing the prospect of having a domestic competition to replace Super Rugby. This is no likely to happen. RA have not communicated this as an option they are considering. Regardless, everyone is making suggestions as how they think the said competition should be run, etc.. You are saying, expansion will not work with Rugby as they have failed in the past and they will not change it ways due to underlying conflicts of interests. If, in your hypothetical future domestic competition RA have not changed their ways, they are not going to pursue moving away from Super Rugby either. So debating if they have to ability successfully expand a hypothetical competition is mute point as your premise is they can change and therefore there will not be domestic competition anyway.

2024-04-07T23:31:17+00:00

AndyS

Roar Rookie


I'm not saying it is a universal rule. Just that it is a universal rule when talking about rugby in this neck of the woods, and perhaps anytime there is zero money. And it absolutely is evidence of how rugby is and has always been managed in Australia. Not necessarily mismanaged, perhaps just what is possible in a sport with so many competing priorities. What IS just an assumption, perhaps even an completely irrational and unfounded hope, is that somehow next time it might be different, or they they (and perhaps anyone) could do it better. Now that really does entirely lack for evidence. The AFL has shown what it takes to do expansion...large amounts of folding, and the longer between start and expansion, the more we are talking. Last I looked it was still c.a. $15M extra each for GWS and the Gold Coast, and how many years on is that now from them starting up? Even proportionately, rugby has never had that sort of money, and I would argue will probably never have. There are simply too many mouths to feed for expansion teams to get what they need to jump the ever increasing hurdle that comes with being late to the party. So it just won't happen. They might well try, and it'll fail for the same reasons it has failed to date. And arguably, why they've failed to get an NRC off the ground each time. You need money to grow new things, and there will always be others with their legs well under the table white-anting the effort, bemoaning the waste, claiming they are being disadvantaged, and demanding that money could be better spent instead on other things. And short of a complete remake of Australian rugby at the most fundamental level, it is the absolute wildest of assumptions that exactly the same won't be the case going forward as it has always been in the past. If you have any evidence to the contrary of that, it would certainly be of interest.

AUTHOR

2024-04-07T22:32:06+00:00

Ball Handling 101

Roar Rookie


I don't mind this frank. But if you've got a Parra / West Syd side, I don't see the point of introducing a 9th side in Western Syd. I'd rather spread the butter into Newy or the Country, or even just complete it with a Souths Sydney club.

AUTHOR

2024-04-07T22:28:39+00:00

Ball Handling 101

Roar Rookie


Just like how Super currently works, and all of the top sports leagues around the world, you shouldn't have to play for the team which covers the geographical area you're from. So I don't think it really matters to much, and having a well defined city the team represents, unlike the Reds and Tahs currently, would actually be quite beneficial for the franchise's identity.

AUTHOR

2024-04-07T22:26:34+00:00

Ball Handling 101

Roar Rookie


Jacko what if the NZ comp is, as I suggested in the article, just their NPC? Do you think that dividing their talent amongst the 14 NPC sides could make them equivalent and comparable to 8 aussie teams? Would this lead to interesting crossover fixtures in a pacific championship in your eyes?

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