Penrith Panthers vs South Sydney Rabbitohs: NRL preliminary final live scores, blog

Panthers won in 91, 2003, contenders in 14 and won again now. They should be winning every 5- 10 years with that junior base so it's about par.

SL had 0% before the war then 50% after, they won and have Newcastle on board in their comp. Not sure what your talking about as there was obviously a plan for the Mariners.

On board the bus that Chief drove to ARL headquarters with the Knights players to sign?

Mariners were just a stop gap until they had Newcastle on board.

That was last year mate :stoked:

unfortanate3ly not mine

Thanks mate, but not mine. i was the givee of the presents

If you disagree with the statement ‘Anything to the head must have a harsh penalty' then I am happy to call you a dinosaur, you haven't answered this so we don't know. Notice I also used the original quote and didn't tweak it to better suit my argument. Manipulating information always helps with a weak case as does conveniently leaving out points you were incorrect on. You also said you don't know how a penalty factors against against a suspension, this was originally your 36 times argument. This was making fun of your post and obviously went over your head. The Luai tackle was just an example of the NRL allowing BS in the game same as walkers high shot and same as Milne against roosters I'm fine with being conservative on this issue. You keep bringing in factors like the media and NRL didn't think it was a big deal, I dont care. So your saying the media ie News ltd and the NRL are going to be neutral and self regulate their own product? Again not a Souths fan but would be lying if I said I was in the Luai and Walker fan club. Could just say you sound like a bulldogs fan still pissed off about 2014, good friday or 1967. I'm okay with the yours and you'res errors, never cared too much for grammar, it's not factual and just a made up method to aid with communication. Spelling and grammar are important just enough to assist in transferring information, all that matters is whether communication was successful.English colour or American color it still makes sense. If your concerned with speeling and grammar then it's gonna be a tough century. My point is grammar errors are not the same as mathematical or factual errors which can be measured. It's a good example of something that is actually not comparable so don't deflect your mistakes by saying you've also been overlooking mine. Your original post to kick this off was not remotely comparable, your probably trying to hype up Milne's when I see it as downplaying Luais, like Rob said it just ups the anti. Most of these points were covered in my previous post so maybe try and read it again.

Geez Having a debate with someone and say “if you don’t agree with me you’re a…” but then “I didn’t call you a name” If you’re going to dish it out at least have the guts to stand behind it I used Kool aid because that’s the popular well known expression… you don’t get points for being a pedant. Otherwise I’d have picked you up for your constant misuse of your and you’re I sort of admire your passion, if not your inconsistent stance. You’ve just chosen the wrong tackle to take a stand on You’re trying to compare non forceful, accidental high contact on a falling player - whether you like it or not, intent and force are the language by which high tackles are judged - with a deliberate, forceful high shot straight to an opponent’s head I haven’t seen or heard anyone but you make a big deal about it… in the media, on social media, anywhere and you’re coming from a biased position Luai’s penalty wasn’t 0% of Milne’s. He was rightfully penalised for his tackle. I don’t know how you factor that penalty in as a numerator but by definition it can’t be zero. Guess I’m not the only one that’s had too many hits to the head… wait, that’s right you don’t insult people I’ve got a baseline - as you call it - of being against high tackling and head knocks. I’ve articulated that clearly many times on this site, including publishing two recent articles about it. I watched this game and this incident as a neutral fan Why would I suddenly thrown my “baseline” out the window to blindly support a vicious high tackle perpetrated by a player I don’t particularly care for? It makes no sense Which is more likely? That I’ve gone blindly all in defending a bad Luai tackle - that only a couple of other people have even mentioned and thrown my “baseline” out the window or maybe in the heat of the moment, following a big game defeat that you’re approaching this a little one eyed…

When did I call you a dinosaur? My original comment was 'Anything to the head must have a harsh penalty, your a dinosaur if you disagree.' Are you saying that any hit to the head does not deserve a harsh penalty? That is the only way you could take offence to that comment. Look up Milne's charge on the NRL website 4 weeks with an early plea, 6 weeks with early plea due to priors. If you are worried about the Souths fans thing just replace all Luais names with Cody Walker if you like. I'm just thinking you have a problem cos you thought I was a Souths fan. This is my first comment on the roar so this is my base line, I do read the roar and you have lots of comments and this reaction is very different to your base line hence the weird comment I posted earlier. You are talking up the NRL as if it has some logic to it, fans complain due to any decision as there is no consistency or precedents followed so its decisions don't have much credibility and is a bit of a running joke. Milne should have been suspended after the Roosters game and maybe this could have been avoided. This a perfect example of when a problem was escalating the NRL did not stamp it out hard enough. The guy was sin binned twice and then does this so soon after so the punishments aren't obviously working. To counter your 36 times point are you saying that Walker or Luais shots were 0% of Milne's as they lost no game time. Are you starting to see the flaws now? Also it should be 48 times as Milne is missing 6 X 80 minutes or 480 game minutes versus a hypothetical 10 minute sin bin so maths might be a problem which has led to other issues. You also mentioned in another post kool aid when the product used was flavor aid so its a good little example of you just basing your research on incorrect hearsay rather then facts. You are not familiar with NRL gradings as you keep going back to 6 weeks which also accounts for other factors, the base charge is clearly 4 weeks so you have a problem absorbing the correct information. Combining these factors I've concluded that you don't really know what your talking about and just having a rant for some reason and I don't know what you are defending. Even if you don't agree with me, you can't even let go that it's possible someone believes head knocks are more serious then the NRL does. I'm regretting giving you the credibility for a discussion, too many hits to the head. No use flogging a dead horse, I will leave you alone now and you can go back to your comfort zone.

“man gets hit in head by another mans arm hard enough to recoil is enough for me to warrant a sinbin without using subjective words like deliberate, unintentional and minimal” All of that is irrelevant because it’s not how tackles are graded and charged In your opinion, Luai’s tackle deserved ten in the bin. Ok. Fine. Give him 10 in the bin How is that remotely comparable to a tackle that got suspended for SIX WEEKS? It’s literally 36x the punishment YOU would give Luai’s tackle. The two aren’t even close…

Haven’t called me names…? How many times have you called me a dinosaur for starters. You really don’t remember what you write one post to the next… You don’t know what you’re talking about - Milne was going to get six weeks with an early guilty plea, seven if he contested. Four weeks never came into it When I’m saying Milne deserved to be sent off and suspended for 6 weeks and Luai was penalty only, I’m a dinosaur But the only difference between us is you think Luai should have got ten minutes. But you’re a campaigner to end high tackles and I’m a dinosaur I’ve got two articles on this site about high tackles and how the NRL is mistreating HIAs You’ve got a typical Souths fan bad sport reaction to a loss

Think you are being defensive because I have never actually called you any names but you seem to have taken it that I have. I never had to explain the tackles in science and maths as it's pretty simple, man gets hit in head by another mans arm hard enough to recoil is enough for me to warrant a sinbin without using subjective words like deliberate, unintentional and minimal. Noticed how you didn't use 4-7 weeks as a grade 2 is 4 weeks with an early plea and as stated Milne had priors, you chose the top 2 numbers to tweak the information in your favour which shows me your not objective anyway. I'm calling for harsher penalties for head shots and your not ok with that? Seriously and for what? What's the downside? If you generally love rugby league you must address this issue as junior numbers are in freefall which means a smaller pool and less quality eventually. No wonder junior soccer numbers flog rugby league as the NRL is the shopfront and guys like you aren't helping. I'd don't think your seeing the bigger picture. Your in a no win situation, the more you go on about Milne then the more you would logically do something similar to another guy hit in the head. To be fair neither of us know exactly the long term consequences, lighter contact in a certain area is worse then heavy contact somewhere else. I am happy to be on the side of caution on this one and for some reason you can't handle that.

Hahaha… science and maths. What a load of BS - you haven’t explained the tackles using “science and maths” yourself. So by your own rationale your argument is as subjective and flawed as mine. Anyway, the words I’ve used like “intent, deliberate, incidental, accidental, minor, forceful” are the terminology used to describe and grade high tackles. Not “science and maths”. You really don’t know what you’re talking about Milne’s charge carried a seven week suspension. He got six with the early guilty plea. Your argument of “6 weeks isn’t 6-7 weeks” is daft for anyone, let alone a learned man of science and maths like yourself :laughing: :laughing: I’m minimising Luai’s because it was completely minimal. I’m not a panthers fan or a fan of Luai but there was nothing in it and a penalty was all that was warranted Why do you think I’m offended because I’m responding to you? You keep responding to me - does that mean you’re offended and weird? The fact you have to keep resorting to calling names shows you don’t really have much of a point

When did I say there wasn't? Your descriptions use a lot of subjective words which means you can't even explain the difference yourself in science or mathematics. You may had well said Milne's was evil and Luais was good. If you can't explain it to a 6 year old you don't know yourself. Notice you had to exaggerate as Leniu was up within 10 seconds and passed a hia. Milne is getting 6 weeks, not 6-7 and that is with priors. If you have to exaggerate it means your not confident in your own evidence. You never had to convince me Milne's is a bad shot, I agree but you are minimising Luais and Walkers which is where I disagree. Also where did I state that all head highs should be treated the same? Just making up stuff now. You can suspend Milne for 10 weeks or a season for all I care but Luai and Walker should be at minimum a sinbin and you are getting all defensive over my view on this. Both players got hit in the head with an arm, they are comparable. My stronger stance on head shots proves that I am more concerned on this issue then you are and also the NRL. Did you take offense to the haha comment or did someone named Gordon hit you once cos something has stirred you up all weird.

John Lomax was the dirtiest player I'd ever seen until JWH went past him

As a Dragons fan I've experienced losing a lot of preliminaries and grand finals, and it's more painful than missing the 8. Obviously you want to be competitive but it's hard when you've nothing to show for it- for all their success they've won the same amount of premierships as Canterbury, St. George, Newcastle and Wests in the last 5 years

It’s not having it both ways. One was an incidental, minor, accidental non forceful contact to the head that caused no injury The second was a deliberate, full force, jumping into the tackle, swinging arm aimed at injuring an opponent and which knocked him out of the game Suggesting these two vastly different tackles, with different intent, different outcomes, different levels of force be punished differently isn’t “having it both ways” Milne is getting 6-7 weeks. Luai’s tackle won’t be mentioned again by anyone but you. Is the NRL “having it both ways’ by giving these tackles different punishment? I’m all for minimising head contact. As I said earlier I’ve written articles on the subject. But suggesting every high contact should be treated the same is moro.nic There’s not one area of life where penalties and punishments aren’t increased as the severity of the offence increases

Exactly, your comment had nothing to do with the roar.

I am stocked ready for the final :happy: