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My solution is 4-1-3-2 for the current BR. Playing 5 at the back is not good as the middle has only 2 players. And there is not yet a big success by a famous club on 5 at the back. In the match BR vs City the 5 at the back was a failure. The result tells. Apparently, 5 at the back is against City's attack from the side by Noone at the left side or Nabbout/Tilio at the right side. However, all 3 goals lost came started from the left or right side. The players just could not cope with this new and almost inventive formation. That means to say 5 at the back is even harder to operate than 3 at the back for the current BR team. They play 5-at the back, for the next 2 matches against CCM and AU. https://www.a-league.com.au/match/adelaide-united-v-brisbane-roar-fc-a-league-16-05-2021/2176870#!/lineups Week in and week out you talk about how the young players cannot cope with the new introduction of 3 at the back by Fowler. However, firstly, BR is not playing 3 at the back all the time in this season. Secondly, at least 3 A-league clubs play 3 at the back in this season. Macarthur FC: 3 4 3 – 14 May 2021 https://www.a-league.com.au/match/macarthur-fc-v-melbourne-victory-a-league-14-05-2021/2176890#!/lineups Western United: 3 4 3 – 15 May 2021 https://www.a-league.com.au/match/western-united-fc-v-sydney-fc-a-league-15-05-2021/2176858#!/lineups Newcastle Jets: 3 4 3 – 15 May 2021 https://www.a-league.com.au/match/newcastle-jets-v-central-coast-mariners-a-league-15-05-2021/2176831#!/lineups WSW: 3 4 3 – 16 May 2021 https://www.a-league.com.au/match/perth-glory-v-western-sydney-wanderers-fc-a-league-16-05-2021/2176944#!/lineups The formation 3 at the back was used decades ago by socceroos. I just do not have the time to find the link. For the current BR squad, they may try 4-1-3-2. ------------------Young-------------------------- Brindell-South---Neville---Trewin---Gillesphey -----------------------O'Shea------------------------- Danzaki--------------Akbari---------------Brown ------------Wenzel-Halls----------Champness Let O'Shea be a free man when Akbari can fill his place.

coolncold -What the hell have my eating habits got to do with stating facts that I see happening before my eyes almost every game I watch . Lets finish this discussion before it reaches the ludicrous stage. Liking eggs boiled or poached ? -----ridiculous. jb

What you are saying is 3 at the back is new to A-league so young players cannot cope with changing from 4-3-3 to 3-4-3. Still, you have no solution. You do not know 4 at the back or 3 at the back is your choice. Like in a movie, you do not know poach eggs, scrambled egg, sunny side up, hard boiled or soft boiled, etc. When you go to a steak house, you are not sure medium, medium rear or well done. Do you know how many A-league teams play 3 at the back in this season? Commentators would make suggestions but you would not. What is the use of your sayings?

BT - A strangely convoluted offering from someone as well versed as you appear to be on the goings on behind the scenes at Roar. I will attempt to clarify the points you make. (1)I did not say Roar were the only club not to have their own facilities I was just pointing out that fact to the readers of these columns. (2) The Academy was announced in great fanfare for the club and you know as well as I do it has not been the success it was promised to be. I believe they had an excellent base not far from Suncorp when they started, but am now informed they are using sub-standard facilities somewhere. (3) You go on to mention my remark about coaches, citing a Mr Sherman being the first to go ,the reason you give being lack of wages being paid. I was talking about coaches in general, not Academy coaches, so when you throw in the Aloisi brothers, Fowler and his offsiders, and the Academy coaches then your money reference becomes important. (4) You start to differentiate between fans and supporters. I know for a fact that Roar. once one of the best supported teams in the league have seen their average gate slump from 10,000 to 5,000. Why this has happened can be explained from many different angles but one thing is certain, the income gained from all who attend the games has slumped dramatically Your last paragraph is the only bit I read without criticism. in fact you tend to agree with an observation I made on another site, you forecast a dim future for Roar, with them finishing up as a feeder club. I for one would not like to see that happen and if you are right, new owners are needed ,then so be it. Keep the faith. jb You specify coaches like a Mr Sherman being employed ,obviously reffering to me saying they managed to employ many coaches. I could add another 6 or 8 names to your list but I'kll accept your statement that they left because they were not being paid well enough.i

coolncold - I am not coaching Brisbane Roar so I don't have to come up with a solution. I have another supporter telling me the club is "skint" so it is highly unlikely that the 3 or 4 quality players they need to make a "back 3 system" functional is going to change in the near future. To Australia it is a comparatively new system of playing the game. and whether Fowler brought the idea to Roar we'll never know for sure, but his signings certainly hinted at that possibility. So it's back to watching a team struggle with a formation that appears to stop goals against being scored but does nothing to help in the scoring of goals at the other end. Cheers jb.

Jbinnie- 1. I never said the Roar were the only club without their own facility, so please dont be foolish and presume to know what i may or may not think, stay on topic, we are talking about the Roar not other clubs. 2. The Roar started the academy because like every other A league club in the country it became a requirement as part of the licence. If they could operate without the academy they would do so tomorrow. Its common knowledge. 3. And pay attention here, because you might finally realise as good as your wee fitba history lessons are, youre not always right....the seemingly well credentialed coaches you mention, Mr Sherman included, who incedently was the first to leave, left because, wait for it.....they were no longer going to be paid as full time coaches on a full time wage because, the Roar are SKINT !!! Dont confuse that statement with the owners are skint because theyre not, they just choose to operate the club on the whiff of an oily rag. Why ? Who the hell knows. 4. The long suffering supporters, not fans, fans only care about a winning team, can turn up and support the team through thick and thin, thats what a true supporter does, fans on this forum talk about redcliffe being too far to support the team because they live on the south side, yet supporters from ireland and northern ireland flood into glasgow every week to SUPPORT their team....so the long suffering fan as you put it can help change the status quo by turning up to the game and back who ever is fortunate enough to pull on the orange jersey and takes the field for the Roar, help the gate takings, lift tv ratings etc etc... All that said, Im simply pointing out that unless the Roar get new owners, the status quo on the putch, regardless of who coaches the team, isnt going to change anytime soon, so you can either back the team when they play the youth or you can whinge about the glory days being a distant memory.

So again, you criticize without solution. You cannot even tell you want 4 at the back or 3 at the back.

coolncold - As I have said before I have no inclination to get into a debate of what I call "the numbers game". It is a nonsensical argument loved by well intentioned but naive journalists who have little or no coaching experience. I must however correct you In your observation that I have criticised the Roar's back 3 system. When Fowler took over there is no doubt in my mind he intended to use a back 3 system resulting in the procurement overseas of 2 experienced centre backs and 2 playmaker midfielders. He also brought a big strong striker who unfortunately suffered from injury bugs since his arrival, When Fowler added the experienced Neville into the squad his back 3 was well manned (as last years goals against will testify) and with Neville's return this season, the GA column is still one of the best in the comp. So why the lack of goals???? That is the question you must ask. First of all a successful "back 3 system" is also heavily dependent on two extremely fit /aggressive, and clever players playing wide of the back 3, ie formerly full backs. With the ball up field the coaching gurus decided that 4 players at the back were not necessary and encouraged their full backs to become wingbacks thus increasing the midfield dominance of players,(5 instead of 3). With the attack now having an extra 2 "wide players" it also became necessary to have a big target man up front and it is in these 3 positions the system has started to break down. Jack Hingert and Brown have both been good servants to Roar but neither of them have the necessary qualities to be wing backs, none have played as wingers in their careers and with Roar having no target man, (DWH is too small) to pose a challenge to any cross balls that are emanating from the wings. Examples of good wing backs are Jamiesion of City and Sydney's and Socceroos right full back. Both love to attack and yet are aware of their defensive duties should possession be lost. It is in this area that the Roar's game starts to break down hence the lack of success in scoring goals. What is more mystifying is the latest line up with Champness,a self confessed left winger, being used out wide thereby cutting down on Brown's attack potential. Watching them play it becomes obvious that the back 3 and the keeper fully understand how the system works but it is then the doubts start to creep in and it is obvious with the changes constantly being made in midfield manning that someone doesn't know how to cure the problem. Cheers jb.

BT - you have said it all in this latest comment without singling out the real reason behind the Roar's decline into a second rate club. You appear to blame it all on lack of funds and yet no one complained when they started an Academy, employed more and more coaches, some who came with startling credentials, but left just as quietly for greener grass. I think what you omitted to spell out was the question, "who are the decision makers in this club"?, for since AP's departure they have gone from pillar to post, all the time dropping off in standard of play. If you are correct and in fact they are "skint" then the authorities that preside over our game should be taking action to remedy the situation. Between you and me I tend to agree with your observations but there is little the long suffering fan can do to change the status quo. By the way, despite what you may think, they are not the only club NOT to own their own stadium, training ground, or central headquarters. Cheers jb.

O... I typed too fast and I made a mistake. When I wanted to type 5-2-3, I typed 5-3-2. In both matches BR against City and AU, BR played 5-2-3. Sorry about the typing mistake. Yes, attacking the 5-2-3 formation becomes more like a 3-4-3 formation as the full-backs become wide midfielders. However, when without possession the formation looks more like a 703 with the two holding midfielders dropping back into the defensive line. So, it is from 5-2-3 to 3-4-3, not as you said from 3-4-3 to 5-2-3. The formation was 5-2-3. The 5-2-3 can easily turn into 4-3-3 to consolidate the midfield – if the midfield is struggling then a central defender can easily turn into another midfielder to shore up the midfield. JB, you have been criticizing the 3 at the back for a while. If you do not like 3-4-3, what is your choice? Do you want 4-4-2? Or you want 4-3-3? Of course not as said it is difficult to find good number 9 to play 4-3-3. Then, you want BR to play 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1 or 4-2-2-2? Which 4 at the back is your recommendation to BR now?

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Jbinnie- The Roar are SKINT. The owners are putting next to nothing into the club. The academy are training on a grassless baseball ground that is the eqivelent of a cow paddock and the first team is training on the GC because the Roar refused to pay a utilities bill....neither the academy or the first team have a place to call home and havent since their inception, so could you please explain how they are meant to compete as a professional football club if the owners wont put money into the club ? Yes we allknow the Moreton Bay council are building a new facility but its not the Roar’s. What happen when the owners fall out with Moreton Bay council ? Until there are new owner willing to properly invest in footballing infraStructure and a better quality of player, then the logical solution is to produce sellable assets in the academy that can be reinvested back into the club and maybe one day they might produce a freak crop like Ajax, Man Utd, Barcelona etc did and we will have that championship winning team.

BT - Yes, you are entitled to your opinion as I am and I think where we differ is in the history of Brisbane Roar. Not so long ago they were recognised as one of the top football teams in Australia and were pulling in crowds of around 12,000 to every home game. To me, having done that once, I would like to know where the train has run off the rails. You are on a different train altogether . You appear to want a club based solely on producing saleable talent, in other words matching it with the Jets and such teams, who are perennial "cellar dwellers" but are keeping the books balanced.(maybe) Just remind yourself of the locally produced players who played with AP's championship sides. Not too many, and those that were usually came from feeder clubs around the country. Cheers jb.

Courtney Jordan Perkins and Alex Poppovic would be a great CB partnership at Adelaide United in the future IMO AA, just not sure if young Alex is going to get to the required height to be aprofessional CB

Jbinnie- fair comment mate and i respect your opinion but the truth is there isnt a lot of quality at the Roar so its kinda 6 on 1 half a dozen on the other in regards who plays atm. As i said the Roar are skint and what little money they do have theyre spending on OS shyte not much better than the local players. If they want to become sustainable then they needto invest what little money they have into the academy and they need to blood youngsters whilest there is no relegation at stake and try to make them sellable assets. Yes they may get beat more often than not blooding and playing academy players, but i susspect the people of Brisbane would rather watch a team packed with promising young local talent being guided by a few experienced heads than watching whats currently on offer with OS import player that arent much better than the local boys.

BT - There is no argument about playing and developing young promising players but you and I differ when we look at our A-League. It is not a development league,. in my book it is Australia's top football competition and as such should be "populated" by our best players. I just felt that the game against Adelaide had a certain amount of significance and was not the place to 'blood" young players. The lad you mention, Trewin, has played very well in his appearances and could be played at any time with real confidence. By the way I do agree with your observation that this season may well have been "passed over" by the men in charge with little regard to the satisfaction of the paying fans. Cheers jb.

coolncold. Not wishing to get into a debate about systems, but the "BACK 3" system is intended to read 5-3-2 when possession is lost and the team is functioning in defence mode. As soon as ball possession is gained the extreme men in the 5, formerly full backs, are expected to move forward at pace thus becoming wingers (in old lingo.) so the whole system is extremely mobile and attack minded. Roar's defence mode works reasonably well as is measured by their "goals against" figure in the comp, but the system is not working art the other end of the field. where their "goals for" is one of the worst in the comp. You mention Melb City using a 5-3-2 when in fact they have 2 of the best examples of "wingbacks " in the league, two men constantly surging forward to join up with the true attackers, in their case McLaren.

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