Hunt defection won't have a lasting effect

By Pippinu / Roar Guru

It was inevitable that the surprising news of Karmichael Hunt’s decision to take up an AFL contract with the new Gold Coast team would send all the sports media and punters in to a feeding frenzy.

It appears to have caught everyone by surprise, with more than a hint of the cloak and dagger about it from the AFL – going all the way to the top.

My personal take on it is that it’s nothing more than a career decision on the part of Hunt. That it’s probably good marketing on the part of the new club. That some league players and their agents may try and get a bit of mileage out of it for future contract negotiations.

But otherwise, I reckon it’s business as usual for both the AFL and the NRL. There are no long term ramifications.

However, silly comments are already pouring in about all manner of things: it’s bad for the NRL; or it’s bad for the AFL; or it shows how weak they both are; shows that anyone can play AFL, and so on.

Basically, these are ignorant and prejudiced comments that are made without any knowledge of what Hunt can or can’t do, and any knowledge of what is required of either game at the elite level.

So I’d like to split this article into two parts:

1. What the chances are of Hunt making a successful transition from rugby league to Australian Football
2. Answering some of the more stupid comments I have seen on various forums.

The Probability of Success
Firstly, I would define a successful transition as Hunt playing ten games in his first season of AFL and then exceeding that number in his second season (barring injury, of course). I think that would be a fair enough achievement and would be deserving of plenty of praise, if he were to achieve it.

We should all bear in mind that the idea of recruiting players from other codes was first put into practice by Ron Barassi while coaching Melbourne in the early 1980s. In 1984, he brought over a few young Gaelic footballers who were all recognised as future champions in their sport at the time.

The group included Sean Wight, and in particular, Jim Stynes, who went on to achieve great success with Melbourne, winning a Brownlow and playing in a Grand Final along the way.

So let’s have a look at Jim Stynes.

The most important thing to bear in mind is that there are similarities in the biomechanics of each game, primarily being able to kick and handball while running at full pace (two of the key distinguishing features in Australian and Gaelic Football as compared to other codes).

Yet, it took Jim Stynes a full three years of special training and running around in the Reserves (often with a “runner” alongside him) to be in a position to finally debut in 1987, after which he was immediately dropped.

In other words, it required a massive effort from both the club and Stynes to become a regular player (which he eventually did with distinction).

It should also be remembered that Stynes was a very gifted athlete, with good stamina and good natural fitness, which no doubt helped him finally achieve the record of the most consecutive games ever played – 244, an incredible achievement in anyone’s language.

But even with everything going for him, including having the physique to play the specific role of ruckman, it was a long and arduous journey for him.

Stynes is not only remembered for longevity in the game, he is also remembered for one infamous event.

In his debut year, 1987, playing in a preliminary final, and with Melbourne only seconds away from qualifying for their first grand final in 23 years, Stynes committed the mortal sin of running across the mark and providing Buckenara with a 15 metre penalty that put him in range of goal, which he duly converted from about 45 metres.

Put all this together and the lesson?

Absolutely everything, absolutely everything, has to go your way just to have a fighting chance at making even a small success of the game if you’re coming from outside the game – and that also includes oodles of effort on the parts of both the club and the player.

Also, as the preliminary final example shows, in any game, there are little nuances that you better get on top of very quickly otherwise it’s going to be a very short career.

To show the basic skills out on the training track is one thing – to display an intuition for the game in the helter skelter chaos that is Australian Football is something completely different.

Back to Hunt.

The one disadvantage he has is that he can’t naturally slot into an identifiable position like ruck, whereas Stynes, and more recently, Mike Pyke, obviously had the right build and temperament to play ruck.

Some have mentioned half-back flank, where, for arguments sake, he might be asked to mind a player like Gary Ablett.

Let’s consider this scenario.

Hunt is minding Ablett on the flank (which in the modern game, might mean almost anything). The ball is 100 metres downfield, but could be in Ablett’s hands within a few seconds via a huge number of variations in play, far too many to mention in even a longish article such as this.

Would Hunt have the smarts right now to make sure Ablett didn’t get his hands on the ball?

I can promise you now, he wouldn’t.

This isn’t a question of relative skills, toughness, speed, or whatever. It’s about reading the game and having real time on-field smarts – and Hunt would not have that right now in any meaningful degree (certainly not sufficient to stop Ablett getting to the footy).

Responding to silly points being made out there on the blogosphere
1. It shows that anyone can play AFL
Seeing that where AFL clubs look beyond the AFL, they target gifted athletes, one could mount the argument that it shows the exact opposite.

2. It shows that you only need to be an athlete to play AFL
It’s certainly true that athleticism will get you far if you don’t have a background in the game, in the sense that the Swans don’t mind trying out Pyke because he’s 200 cm and can run with pace and has great stamina.

If he had been that tall but lacked the pace and stamina, they wouldn’t have bothered!

However, as you will see above, athleticism, hardness, and ball skills, are not enough on their own. As in all sports, you need to have an understanding of the game at an intuitive level – that’s the biggest challenge.

3. AC Milan or Barcelona wouldn’t recruit someone from another game
I’ve come across this one a few times already in various blogs. It sounds true at first glance, but then it occurred to me – some of the biggest and best names in the game do not come from an Association Football background (think about it).

That aside, I’m aware of a few former Gaelic Football schoolboy champions who have had very successful careers at the elite level of Association Football. Niall Quinn comes to mind. But I know there are others.

4. This is a disaster for the NRL and/or the AFL
Yes, different people are saying it’s the end of the world for one or the other. Pay no attention to that. This time next year, most will have forgotten that Hunt is scratching around for the footy in the VFL in some bumpy suburban ground somewhere in Melbourne.

This tale has a long way to play out. Just follow it and enjoy the ride!

The Crowd Says:

AUTHOR

2009-11-06T03:51:42+00:00

Pippinu

Roar Guru


MC/redb all good points.

2009-11-06T02:39:31+00:00

Redb

Roar Guru


Pip, It's not a bad comparison and agree Hunt will need to keep his pride in check until the learns the game, no matter how good he is. However Hunt, unlike Kennelly, has played competitive professional sport for 5-6 years before he dips his toe into another pond. Kennelly came from an amatuer sport with little representative caps,etc. Hunt will have a bunch of relatively junior players around him on the Gold Coast, allowing him to step up as little as a mature player rather than joining a hardened outfit like say Geelong. That will help. Let's not kid ourselves he will be a pinch hitter off the bench given specific jobs. However it is way too early to predict the outcome/success. Redb

2009-11-06T02:29:07+00:00

Michael C

Roar Guru


yep, just read that about Kennelly, at least Hunt will be still 'at home' locally, and, may have the benefit of brother in law Scott Harding by his side (wait and see on that front).

AUTHOR

2009-11-06T02:18:10+00:00

Pippinu

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One thing I have tried to impress people on, in both this article and other comments, is the enormous mental toughness needed by Hunt to successfully do what he is trying to do - very few people can be taken out of their comfort zone like that and succeed - it's an extraordinary test. Tadgh Kennelly has just written a book about this experience in coming from Gaelic football to aussie rules as a teenager, and he provides a very detailed account of the challenges. Some quotes: "Kennelly admits that during his second year in Sydney, before he had even made his senior debut, he would often find himself in a "very dark place". He would cry himself to sleep each night." "I was in a very dark place; in fact, I would say I was depressed. Each night I would cry myself to sleep. I would hide in my room and ask myself over and over again, 'What the f--- am I doing?' "The problem was simple: I was out of my comfort zone. When I came to Australia, I wasn't just in a totally different environment off the field, I was also in a totally different environment on the field. I was lost, like a lost puppy. I really had no place where I was comfortable." "Kennelly says he wondered if he was good enough to play in the AFL, admitting he had not realised how difficult the transition from Gaelic football to Australian football would be. The thing that kept him from quitting was a fear of failure." Hunt will not have to contend with the homesickness, but it remains a massive mental challenge. For starters, learning the game in the VFL, playing in front of crowds of 100 people, with the spotlight on him, that in itself will test his mental toughness - having to prove himself against blokes who will never play AFL who will take great joy in showing him up at every opportunity - that's before we even get to the bit of actually playing the game.

2009-10-27T05:58:29+00:00

AndyRoo

Roar Guru


That's the great mystery about it Is it for the cash or is he fair dinkum The fact he is only early 20's suggests yes The fact he is playing in France hints at no We will just have to wait to find out.

AUTHOR

2009-10-27T05:49:59+00:00

Pippinu

Roar Guru


True. He also copped some curly ones from the AFL side (some of whom, like Mark Maclure, who hails from Sydney, were completely dismissive of him on ABC radio). Gerard Whately is a fairly circumspect sports commentator, covering a variety of sports and he summed up his feeling about it this way: 1. he felt Hunt would "proably be credible" (which is much more than many think); but 2. he was concerned at how casual Hunt was about it all. This latter point is a fair observation. Hunt is incredibly confident, you need to be to do something like this, but 1. is he confident and casual because he knows he's going to nail it immediately? 2. or is he confident and casual about it because he hasn't got a clue? These are the questions.

2009-10-27T05:42:57+00:00

AndyRoo

Roar Guru


I would say his interview on the NRL Footy Show was a pretty good performance. I can't remember the exact questions but here were some curley ones and by his answers you would never have guessed his young age. He got a lot of respect from me for that.

2009-10-27T04:13:40+00:00

Redb

Roar Guru


his mental toughness appears Ok from a distance. he certainly copped some shite from RL types after his 'defection', from people he regards as legends. Took it all in his stride to his credit.

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2009-10-27T04:05:25+00:00

Pippinu

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I've seen Williams play some terrific games - he blanketed Buddy Franklin in their premiership year during the regular season - and he's got a good, consistent kick on him (if not a big range of kicking - rugby players can be quite consistent kicks over their range) - it's just the inexplicably dumb things that can happen to a player who is relatively new to the game (not taking the first option, running back into trouble, failing to go when he has to go, etc).

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2009-10-27T03:58:21+00:00

Pippinu

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AndyRoo I agree - he'll have half a chance of getting involved in a VFL game (where it's that tiny bit slower). Football at the elite level, in all codes, gets quicker as you move up the rungs - if he debuts in the GC's first game in 2011 - I think he might be surprised at how fast everything is - his preparation will not have prepared him. It's all those things that you can't really know about unless you're in the thick of it: reaction time, execution at speed under pressure, knowing where to be, knowing which way to turn, where to run to next, all that sort of stuff - he won't have an instinct for it, and being a millisecond slower than the others (in thought processes) can be enough to be made to look silly. But I agree with you and redb - his stint in the VFL will be like reality TV - if only we can get to see a bit of it - absolutely every touch (or non-touch) will be scrutinised to buggery!! That alone is going to require enormous mental toughness.

2009-10-27T03:50:33+00:00

Redb

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no doubt the VFL will be give him more time to get use to the game, but half season is not as desirable as a full season. IMO he will get a bit of a shock when it comes to actually playing a game unless given a very specific role. Can be lonely on a footy field If you cant get your hands on the pill.

2009-10-27T03:47:52+00:00

Redb

Roar Guru


sure has. heard a bit about Tom Williams not seen much of him though. Sam Gilbert (St Kilda) is a good example of rugby to AFL convert, good tackling, side step, but kicking skills still ordinary under pressure.

2009-10-27T03:46:51+00:00

AndyRoo

Roar Guru


That's not really his go in rugby league. He can pull of a hit but I guess as a full back he has never been required to be an enforcer. And with guys like Thaiday and Tony Carrol around him it wouldn't be recquired. I guess by the time the Gold Coast come into AFL he will be a bit older though and it always helps to have guys in the team you know "can handle it" for others to draw from. I am probably more excitied about his VFL games than his AFL games because against semi pros he has a better shot at being a real influence on the game and gettign more touches.

AUTHOR

2009-10-27T03:45:54+00:00

Pippinu

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Re-reading that Tom Williams article - it just occurred to me that that he was spotted by Mark Browning. Wan't it Mark Browning who spotted Hunt playing some school boy aussie rules way back? Browning might have a bit of an eye for this sort of stuff!

2009-10-27T03:45:49+00:00

Redb

Roar Guru


at least Hunt will also still have a full preseason to get this fitness right before 2011.

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2009-10-27T03:40:22+00:00

Pippinu

Roar Guru


Yes - agree - defensive forward is the way to go - he can work on negating the runners from half-back, occasionally get a bit of the ball - but there's not too much damage if he makes a mistake. The Bullies have had an athletic young bloke from a rugby background, Tom Williams, playing with them as a centre half back - a big ask for any kid to hold down a position like that - and he has a lot of excellent attributes - but occasionally his lack of undertanding of the game shines through, and I've seen games where he has been directly involved in conceding three goals in the space of five minutes. But he has been worth the gamble - if he can get over his run of injuries. It's an interesting history - if people are interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Williams_(Australian_rules_footballer) But back to Hunt - make no mistake - for a while he will be chasing plenty of tail. As for the VFL, it's a good point that he can play the part of the enforcer for some of those young blokes - the team will be much younger than the other VFL teams, who are a mixture of AFL rookies and hardened blokes who never quite made the grade - but they know what the game is about. A bloke like Hunt in that context will be quite handy - perhaps some time on the ball early on if a bit of body on body pressure is needed!!

2009-10-27T03:25:34+00:00

Redb

Roar Guru


Agree, forward line apply frontal pressure, etc is probably the go. Would be useful in defence but I think a good forward would expose him one on one. He needs to pick up a man, very different to what he is used to, it will take time. he would get beaten on the lead early days highly embarassing if he gets killed there. Running around hurting people is unlikely given it will quickly result in free kicks if done too haphazardly. Can certainly tackle hard legally no prob's there. In fact some implied pressure for the youthful GC team might be a big positive. Redb .

2009-10-27T03:20:55+00:00

Redb

Roar Guru


actually I meant stick him in the forward line. Redb

2009-10-27T03:15:35+00:00

AndyRoo

Roar Guru


I have said this before but I think he should be used as some kind of Defensive Forward. A Brett Holman style player. Running around putting pressure on defences trying to create turn overs. In defence if you make a mistake it costs goals and playing it out of your own 50 you will be very exposed if your distribution is no good. Also entertainment wise if he scores a goal it would be great. There is much more chance of that happening if he is set free in the opposition 50 to hurt people, win possesion and stab it through to goals.

2009-10-27T03:01:03+00:00

Redb

Roar Guru


The eyes have it. The longer he delays playing in the VFL the more time it will take to adapt to new skills under game pressure. Of course it's too early to know what role he will take on. I'd stick him in defence and get him to chase the man with the Sherrin until he learns the instincts required. His tackling with technique modifications wont be a problem. Mr Hunt, welcome to Frontal Pressure - you have a role. May 2010 onwards will be fascinating. Reality TV stuff - Note to AFL - get Foxtel onto this! Redb

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