Third Sydney AFL team? Never say never

By mds1970 / Roar Guru

Kevin Sheedy can sometimes be a divisive figure in sporting circles. Not everyone agrees with everything he has to say. But no-one could ever accuse him of not being a visionary.

Sheedy has come up with some interesting ideas at times. A lateral thinker, his ideas can be controversial. But his desire to see the AFL grow cannot be questioned.

It’s why he took on the GWS coaching job.

This week, Sheedy wrote an article talking about the possibility of a third Sydney team entering the AFL.

The idea was scoffed at by most who read it. The thought of entering another Sydney team at this point in time seems laughable.

But the timeframe is worthy of note. It’s not going to happen now, but in 15 years time, we may be ready.

A lot can change in 15 years. If you want proof, think about how the sporting landscape has changed in the last 15 years.

15 years ago, in 1998, Port Adelaide were in their second season; as were the Brisbane Lions after the merger between the Bears and Fitzroy.

The Swans had been in Sydney for 16 years, but had only recently cemented their place in the Sydney sporting landscape. There had been many years of poor crowds, false dawns, under-achievement and mismanagement before that.

By 2028, the Giants will have been around as long as the Swans had been in Sydney in 1998. But it had taken 15 years for the Swans to truly become entrenched in Sydney.

There was talk of a second Sydney team, and the Kangaroos announced they would come up to play in Sydney. Seven games over two seasons, before they abandoned the idea.

The idea of a second team fell dormant until the AFL revealed its Team GWS proposal a decade later.

15 years ago, rugby league was on its knees. The theme was contraction rather than expansion.

The two factions of the game had come to an uneasy peace after the Super League war. Western Reds, South Queensland Crushers and Hunter Mariners had been cut.

At the end of the season, Adelaide and the original Gold Coast were axed. St George and Illawarra merged. Other clubs knew they had one more year to live before merging or disappearing.

Crowds were small. TV rights were low. The game was struggling.

15 years on, rugby league is strong again. Gold Coast are back. Options for further expansion are being considered.

15 years ago, football was barely on the sporting radar.

The Socceroos had so cruelly missed out on the World Cup after two late goals by Iran. All that was left was an NSL competition that struggled for relevance; run by a dysfunctional Soccer Australia.

The change in that game has been enormous. Two World Cup appearances, and we’re likely to qualify for another this year.

The A-League is drawing crowds and attracting sustained interest and media coverage beyond the wildest dreams of even the staunchest 1998 optimist.

In the cricket world, 15 years ago Australia was the dominant super-power. And although Test crowds in Australia were solid, around the world it looked like 50-over One Day cricket was the dominant form of the game. Domestic cricket wasn’t on the radar.

Since that time, T20 cricket has come into being. International cricket is being rivalled for significance by domestic franchise-based T20 leagues. And One Day 50 over internationals are an endangered species.

Could Sydney be ready for a third AFL team in 15 years time? Maybe. But we’re sure not ready now.

The Swans are safely entrenched. Their future isn’t in doubt.

GWS Giants are new. Starting a new team from scratch in a non-heartland area is a challenge.

At this stage, although corporate backing is solid, crowds are not yet at a viable level.

This week, GWS have their first game at Skoda Stadium for the year. It’s likely to pull a crowd of about 8,000. In the long term, that’s not enough.

That number over time will pick up, as the team becomes more competitive on the field and as awareness of the GWS Giants brand grows.

On the field, the Giants have the foundations of a strong team; and as the potential is realised in the seasons to come, it will attract supporters.

That’s the nature of professional sport – only the diehards will follow a team while they struggle, but many come on board as they climb the ladder.

But it’s coming off a low base.

Improvement, on or off the field, won’t come instantly. Like George Harrison with his mind set on you, it’ll take a whole lot of spending money and a whole lot of precious time to do it right.

But progress is being made. Memberships are up this season, with 12,000 members signed up. There’s no shortage of sponsors knocking on the door.

The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. But the fact that the journey is a thousand miles isn’t a reason not to take the single step; or to abandon the journey after a few steps.

We press on. Slow and steady in the race for the hearts and minds of Sydney’s sporting fans.

Will Sydney’s sporting landscape be ready for a third AFL team in 15 years? Who knows.

The last 15 years has shown that things can change. But what will the changes of the next 15 years be?

For the sporting enthusiasts of the Harbour City, it’s going to be interesting, and a lot of fun, to find out.

The Crowd Says:

2013-05-12T10:24:05+00:00

hutch

Guest


Judging by today's Gws crowd, Sydney already has one afl team too many. If there was more than 1500 people there, I will sign up to a membership! Of course, we will never know the truth as the afl posted the laughable figure of over 5000.

2013-05-11T07:51:05+00:00

bbt

Guest


The GWS Giants are forecast to cost $200 million to establish. Serious money, generated from media rights. Who is to say that media will cough up the same dollars next round. Media is fragmenting, the TV Channels are struggling, Foxtel is under threat from IPTV. Where is the dough coming from?

2013-05-10T02:02:34+00:00

13th Man

Roar Rookie


A team in Tassie has to be next surely, Tassie is a very succesful little state, look at Cricket, smallest state and have more players in Ashes squad than everybody but NSW. I reckon Tassie would be much more succesful than GWS. If any state needs a third side it is WA, there are two sides based in one city. surely a team in Karratha or Port Headland should come before another Sydney side. The miners would love to go to the footy up there. Even New Zealand should have more chance of getting a side than another Sydney team.

2013-05-10T01:08:20+00:00

fishes

Guest


You really think a 24-25 team competition would be worth watching? You would be getting scores like 200-5 on a regular basis.

2013-05-10T01:06:47+00:00

fishes

Guest


Surely a team in Canberra would be a better idea than a third team in Sydney.

2013-05-09T23:01:58+00:00

Ads

Guest


Looks like a Collingwood supporters walk to the 'G. Been in a few of them and the chanting, singing and buzz of the crowd is sensational. That's definitely what the Swans lack before / after a game and pretty much any other AFL club for that matter.

2013-05-09T21:37:53+00:00

The_Wookie

Roar Guru


oddly enough Ballarat had an entire league that was comparable to the VFA in the 1870s.

2013-05-09T11:23:56+00:00

Chairman Kaga

Guest


Newcastle should be spoken about. Presently you have the two sporting franchises controlled by a bankrupt, AFL may need to step in to fill the sporting void.

2013-05-09T10:45:55+00:00

Wilson Flatley

Roar Rookie


Miners would absolutely love a footy game to go to 11 times a year. With guaranteed corporate backing, you never know...

2013-05-09T10:41:15+00:00

Stavros

Guest


Well said. I don't know what the problem is with some people. If you don'y like AFL then why would you care? Would Victorian AFL fans get all uptight if the NRL announce that they were putting another team in Melbourne? My guess is that they wouldn't give a damn.

2013-05-09T10:24:16+00:00

Chairman Kaga

Guest


Sydney has a large population and growing. People are moving there from all over the place, including the southern states of your own country. If the AFL believes there is a demand for a third club then who are we to argue with them. They have been pretty successful since the league was established in 1897. They have seen off the VFA, the SANFL and the WAFL. It is the story of capitalism in this country. The most cashed up and audacious wins. Just looking at games casually out of Sydney with NRL teams that have been there 100 years and they barely get above 10k and the stadiums are not big in the first place. There is definately room to grow there as the NRL is not obsessed over as much as AFL is in the southern 4 states. Personally I would do something about building the tv audience there first. If the tripe like singing competitions and Current Affair shows can get big ratings, something that is real can surely do better.

2013-05-09T09:54:14+00:00

EddyJ

Guest


Just getting really bored with a lot of these comments. If the AFL wants to set up a third, fourth or even a fifth club in Sydney – what is the problem with that? In 1897, there were eight teams, then nine in 1909, 12 in 1925, 14 in 1987, 15 in 1991, 16 in 1997, 17 in 2011, 18 in 2012. When I played amateur AFL, there was always some new club sprouting up somewhere. If the AFL feels a need to develop a new club in Sydney, or Perth, or anywhere else, good luck to them. AFL clubs don't all have to be as big as Collingwood or Essendon, and the world is a changing place. It would be good to see an AFL club in the southern Sydney region. Would anyone watch them? Well, that's other question.

2013-05-09T09:11:55+00:00

Jimbo

Guest


Yep, i can see a few members there alright !.

2013-05-09T09:11:18+00:00

Epiquin

Roar Guru


the NZ part....

You talk about member's bars....? Check THIS out.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiVGP1LOwZI

2013-05-09T08:01:47+00:00

Titus

Guest


Yes, I am Epiquin.........and the beauty is that once they started winning, crowds would flock in.

2013-05-09T07:43:49+00:00

Epiquin

Roar Guru


That sort of logic has no place 'round here!

2013-05-09T07:41:27+00:00

Stavros

Guest


Interested in WIlson Flatley's comment of 'none of us would consider going to a game until they are at least top 8 material'. If there were thousands out there like Wilson, then I reckon the AFL would be happy with that. Look at WSW, less that 10k crowds until they went on a winning streak.

2013-05-09T07:20:12+00:00

Titus

Guest


Lyall is destined to live in a cave, eating fish until the day he finds "his precious".

2013-05-09T07:11:08+00:00

Jimbo

Guest


Only to be totally surpassed by your cult Matt !.

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